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| flowy | today i have an omnicharge 20+ arriving. i didn't plan it this way, but the aesthetic with the reform is more than just compatible. | 15:32 |
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| flowy | it's a very cool (perhaps overpriced) external battery | 15:33 |
| mntmn | flowy: oh that looks cool | 15:36 |
| flowy | won't be able to test it with the reform right away as i need to procure the right barrel-barrel cable... | 15:38 |
| mntmn | ah :3 | 15:54 |
| josch | What are reasons against using an initrd with the reform? | 16:07 |
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| mntmn | josch: complicated/intransparent | 16:22 |
| mntmn | probably i just didn't understand the tooling which seemed obscure | 16:23 |
| josch | mntmn: Okay. MR !36 is building an initrd. It's up to you to add it to the u-boot bootm command or not. | 16:46 |
| josch | mntmn: do you agree that we should ship the systemd and pulse configs with reform-tools (or a new package) so that they can be upgraded using "apt-get upgrade" when new fixes are found? | 16:51 |
| josch | Because then I'd also convert reform-tools into a full Debian source package because then we get all the systemd postinst maintainerscript stuff for free and don't have to call 'systemctl ...' manually in reform-system-image. | 16:53 |
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| kfx | why build an initrd you don't need? | 18:14 |
| sigrid | I use initramfs on mnt reform | 18:15 |
| sigrid | although I did not do anything special for it. it's dracut | 18:16 |
| kfx | what do you use it for? anything someone might use an initrd for I just use the emmc | 18:17 |
| mntmn | josch: yes, i agree @ reform-tools | 18:21 |
| sigrid | I don't use it for anything specific, but it has the emergency shell, some programs and a bunch of modules | 18:21 |
| sigrid | technically it should be enough to boot from anywhere | 18:22 |
| sigrid | I also resized ext4 partition to the whole disk using it | 18:22 |
| Boostisbetter | flowy: is the omnicharge battery replaceable? | 18:34 |
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| josch | kfx: part of what I'm doing is to minimize the diff between a standard Debian installation and what is shipped as part of the reform-system-image. I'd have to put more effort in to *prevent* the initrd from being built, hence the question. | 19:11 |
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| mntmn | josch: well, an initrd lying around wouldn't hurt i guess | 19:24 |
| vagrantc | josch: well hello. :) | 19:28 |
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| kfx | sounds like a debian bug :/ | 19:38 |
| flowy | Boostisbetter: i think one could. inside are 6x 18650 li-ion cells. i probably wouldn't try myself | 19:43 |
| Boostisbetter | hmmm, as long as they don't have them weirdly soldered together or whatever, it seems like it is could be done. I guess the question after this would be is the case glued shut, or just screwed shut. | 19:47 |
| Boostisbetter | hmmm, as long as they don't have them weirdly soldered together or whatever, it seems like it is could be done. I guess the question after this would be is the case glued shut, or just screwed shut.? | 19:47 |
| Boostisbetter | hmmm, as long as they don't have them weirdly soldered together or whatever, it seems like it is could be done. I guess the question after this would be is the case glued shut, or just screwed shut? | 19:47 |
| flowy | i think there is glue and shit involved. the cells aren't really supposed to be replaced, unfortunately. | 19:50 |
| flowy | it's not perfect | 19:50 |
| Boostisbetter | that sucks. I wish some intrepid soul would come together and make a 18650 cell power bank for us. One that was meant to have replaceable batteries just like the Reform. | 19:52 |
| Boostisbetter | I would buy that in a heart beat. | 19:53 |
| Boostisbetter | mntmn: maybe a Reform Power bank? | 19:53 |
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| vagrantc | would also be interested in such a power bank ... also be nice to make one that takes 26650 cells | 20:00 |
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| josch | vagrantc: hey :) | 20:09 |
| sigrid | 5.17.0-rc2 works without any changes to the patches | 20:14 |
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| snowcode1 | Hello | 20:24 |
| snowcode1 | I find the project amazing | 20:24 |
| josch | sigrid: though it seems that etnaviv-relax-submit-size-limits.patch got dropped: https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-system-image/-/commit/1f3cb4f8f3eec4d817a939ea3d1cc51fa0c9b692 | 20:24 |
| snowcode1 | I would like to know, how is the motherboard assembled? | 20:24 |
| sigrid | josch: right, I dropped this on rc1 in my builds | 20:27 |
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| SnowCode | oopsie | 21:19 |
| SnowCode | I disconnected | 21:19 |
| SnowCode | I was the one asking the question about the assembly of the motherboard earlier for reference | 21:19 |
| chartreuse | I believe the motherboards are assembled by the PCB manufacturer (PCBWay I think?) | 21:25 |
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| mntmn | chartreuse: correct | 21:38 |
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| SnowCode | chartreuse: Oh, I didn't know they assembled the pieces as well | 21:51 |
| SnowCode | Someone told me it requires very specialized tools to assemble small motherboard parts | 21:52 |
| mntmn | SnowCode: it does not | 21:52 |
| mntmn | i mean, depends how fast you need to do it :D | 21:52 |
| SnowCode | Would it be possible to assemble and solder a PCB by hand? | 21:52 |
| mntmn | we hand assembled a bunch of the motherboards in development | 21:52 |
| mntmn | yes | 21:52 |
| SnowCode | How long did it take lmao | 21:52 |
| mntmn | it takes around 6 hours to place the components by hand | 21:52 |
| SnowCode | This is really cool :3 | 21:53 |
| mntmn | and then it goes in the oven | 21:53 |
| SnowCode | What are the most expensive parts of this laptop? | 21:53 |
| swivel | SnowCode: EEVBlog has some soldering tutorial videos on youtube, IIRC the last in the series demonstrates surface mount stuff with plain old soldering | 21:53 |
| mntmn | SnowCode: motherboard, case parts, keyboard, cpu module are all kind of similar in cost | 21:57 |
| SnowCode | mntmn: What is the largest expense among the 1000$ sale? | 21:58 |
| mntmn | SnowCode: not sure if i understand the question | 21:59 |
| SnowCode | mntmn: I mean, it's sold at 1000€ on https://shop.mntmn.com/products/mnt-reform | 22:00 |
| SnowCode | How is this price split? | 22:00 |
| mntmn | SnowCode: the internal cost structure is not public, but i can tell you we spend 600+ eur on each unit | 22:01 |
| mntmn | (only in parts) | 22:02 |
| SnowCode | What's a unit? | 22:02 |
| mntmn | the laptop hardware | 22:02 |
| SnowCode | oh ok. | 22:02 |
| SnowCode | So the screen costs 600 for instance? | 22:02 |
| mntmn | ??? | 22:02 |
| SnowCode | Sorry I'm dumb :| | 22:03 |
| swivel | breakdown of such things is highly volume-dependent AIUI, it's still early small-scale days for Reform so the costs are high. | 22:03 |
| mntmn | yeah | 22:03 |
| SnowCode | I mean you said 600 for each unit, so I assumed the screen was one of those units | 22:03 |
| mntmn | SnowCode: no, the screen costs like 30$ (probably more expensive nowadays because of shortages) | 22:03 |
| vkoskiv | February already. April approaching rapidly. Reform hype++ | 22:04 |
| mntmn | yay vkoskiv | 22:04 |
| vkoskiv | Also just generally hyped. I locked in the decision to move to Helsinki today. | 22:04 |
| vkoskiv | So that's fun. | 22:04 |
| mntmn | nice | 22:04 |
| vkoskiv | New job, too. | 22:04 |
| mntmn | have been there only once but it seemed like a nice town | 22:04 |
| mntmn | ok time to make feierabend and go home | 22:05 |
| Boostisbetter | Congrats vkoskiv! The Finns are great! | 22:05 |
| vkoskiv | Just full of cool things. And the hackerspace there is supposedly quite good | 22:05 |
| SnowCode | mntmn:oh ok | 22:05 |
| Boostisbetter | mntmn: but late huh? Hopefully home is not far! | 22:05 |
| swivel | sitting here with cold toes under a blanket I can't seem to leave, helsinki sounds freezing :P | 22:05 |
| SnowCode | Thanks for the info +1 | 22:05 |
| vkoskiv | It is currently -19.4C outside here in Jyväskylä | 22:06 |
| vkoskiv | Which is in central finland | 22:06 |
| sigrid | jesus | 22:06 |
| swivel | vodka for breakfast | 22:06 |
| sknebel | heh, compared to that helsinki is not as freezing, usually :D | 22:06 |
| vkoskiv | Yeah helsinki has got that ocean breeze, calms things down a bit. | 22:07 |
| sknebel | (I knew a finnish couple who has their "southern" winter flat in Berlin. "... but Berlin in winter is cold, wet and grey" "yeah, but less cold, less wet and not as dark as South Finnland in winter") | 22:08 |
| sknebel | On the other hand helsinki in summer is really nice | 22:08 |
| mntmn | Boostisbetter: yeah i've been here too long but i did a resistor bodge fix on my reform motherboard that implements undervoltage lockout | 22:08 |
| mntmn | https://community.mnt.re/t/battery-is-not-charging/270/34 | 22:09 |
| Boostisbetter | very nice! I was thinking that adding USB C charging would be awesome as well! | 22:09 |
| mntmn | Boostisbetter: implemented by this fork https://twitter.com/cooljqln/status/1487928217532919809 | 22:10 |
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| Boostisbetter | mntmn: I know you are off, but do you know if this will be a thing we can get later? I knew mainboard? | 22:49 |
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| mntmn | Boostisbetter: yeah not sure how to best roll out fixes like these though | 23:05 |
| mntmn | Boostisbetter: or you mean the usb-c version? | 23:05 |
| Boostisbetter | USB-c | 23:08 |
| Boostisbetter | But I'd like both things | 23:08 |
| mntmn | well i'm collecting notes for mb rev 2 i guess... | 23:09 |
| mntmn | (actually rev 6 or 7) | 23:09 |
| sknebel | there is this taiwanese shop that makes tiny USB-C modules to replace the power ports on older thinkpads: https://www.tindie.com/stores/mikepdiy/ | 23:12 |
| sknebel | wonder if something like that would be possible as an upgrade? | 23:12 |
| sknebel | (are 20V enough for the stock electronics?) | 23:13 |
| mntmn | 20v is fine yes | 23:14 |
| mntmn | there are usb-c to barrel adapters that work | 23:14 |
| sknebel | ah right, now | 23:14 |
| sknebel | I remember that being mentioned | 23:14 |
| chartreuse | The power input is quite flexible which is nice | 23:43 |
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