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| kfx | I have the devterm. I never use it because it's such a pain in the neck to get a regular linux distribution running on it, and you have to run their magic kernel etc. Same problem as most arm machines, really. The Reform is the only one trying to do better in this regard... | 01:19 |
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| ex-parrot | yeah :( I have held off using mine until I can put a CM4 in it | 01:22 |
| ex-parrot | and put standard debian on there | 01:22 |
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| technomancy | I've heard standard debian is supposedly an option on the regular pi now too; how does that work? I haven't done any pi stuff really since I got my pine64 but it used to be all raspbian which was kind of sketchy | 01:23 |
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| ex-parrot | it's Just Worked for a wihle on the last few pis I tried it on | 01:25 |
| technomancy | cool | 01:25 |
| ex-parrot | not sure what the state of the art is either | 01:25 |
| kfx | it's my understanding the only available CM4 carrier board adapts from the CM3 slot and there's not enough room in the devterm for that | 01:27 |
| kfx | so someone (clockwork themselves?) will have to introduce a new mainboard with CM4 slots | 01:28 |
| ex-parrot | oh | 01:28 |
| ex-parrot | yeah that sounds possible, I'd sort of forgotten the details | 01:28 |
| kfx | it would be a great little device if the arm world weren't so terrible in general | 01:29 |
| kfx | they offer those rockchip mainboards as well, but I learned my lesson about that crap from pine | 01:29 |
| ex-parrot | at least the motherboard is small and prob not gonna be too spendy | 01:29 |
| ex-parrot | yeah :( | 01:29 |
| kfx | I have the pinephone keyboard too and that is a good device, but the phone is so deeply useless that it also just sits on the shelf with its arm compatriots | 01:30 |
| ex-parrot | I thought mainline support for the pinephone was coming along fairly well? | 01:30 |
| kfx | well I've had the thing for two years. to paraphrase Long Kiss Goodnight, I should think whatever's holding it up is either gone for good or there to stay | 01:32 |
| kfx | plus Pine pulled an Osborne, and shipped a better, incompatible device to all the interested developers | 01:32 |
| kfx | nothing kills the pinephone like a pinephone pro, eh | 01:33 |
| ex-parrot | mm | 01:33 |
| ex-parrot | I haven't even put the proper release moterboard in mine | 01:33 |
| ex-parrot | I'm still sitting on the 1.0 developer motherboard version with various board problems | 01:34 |
| ex-parrot | they did at least send me an updated motherboard | 01:34 |
| ex-parrot | I'm not really interested in using it as a phone which prob helps my specific case | 01:34 |
| ex-parrot | I've been fairly underwhelmed by the efforts to make it in to a phone | 01:34 |
| kfx | I also got the new board. I put it in and I cannot tell a difference, except maybe that firefox loads in twenty seconds instead of thirty | 01:35 |
| ex-parrot | I was mainly interested in the board fix to do with power drain ? USB power ? I have forgotten the details by now | 01:35 |
| kfx | but it's another failing of the arm world, everything takes a massive lift to get into a useful state, and by the time it gets close there's some new shiny on the horizon and everyone just drops yesterday's tech on the floor and wanders off | 01:36 |
| ex-parrot | what do you reckon the solution is? | 01:36 |
| kfx | I don't think it's fixable with ARM's current business model | 01:37 |
| sigrid | I got a fairphone 4. iirc support is in mainline and I definitely have a way to clone the kernel, build it and load it on the phone | 01:37 |
| ex-parrot | it seemed like device trees are at least better than the ACPI detection stuff on x86 | 01:37 |
| ex-parrot | where the kernel has to work out what it's running on fresh every time | 01:37 |
| ex-parrot | but they're also a lot of work and very complicated | 01:38 |
| kfx | right now some design shop ships a list of requirements to a hardware shop, and as far as I can tell the hardware shop throws everything they have into a bucket and shakes it until something falls out that meets 80% of the requirements | 01:38 |
| technomancy | risc-v is gonna change everything | 01:39 |
| technomancy | </obligatory> | 01:39 |
| ex-parrot | ty :P | 01:39 |
| kfx | that's one thing I have to hand to Pine64 | 01:40 |
| kfx | no matter what else, they delivered a risc-v product that works as advertised | 01:40 |
| kfx | sure, it's a soldering iron, not a computer, but at least they DID it | 01:41 |
| ex-parrot | the pinecil is really nice | 01:41 |
| ex-parrot | I got the clear cased version, opened it up and tacked a WS2812 RGB LED in to an unused IO pin on the board | 01:42 |
| ex-parrot | but I never really got the drivers to work well enough for it | 01:42 |
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| Boostisbetter | Regarding the review from Ars yesterday: I think I might be so much more patient when it comes to computer, because of how I cut my teeth with them growing up. My first computer was 8088 based. I tried to run everything on that, and I spent a lot of time waiting for things to load. | 13:00 |
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| Boostisbetter | Everything I used after that just was so much faster. | 13:01 |
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| mntmn | Boostisbetter: same, mine was z80 based ;) | 13:01 |
| Boostisbetter | That 8088 was ancient by the time I got it in 93, but even today the XT line is still so capable. The HP 200 LX is a great example of that. | 13:01 |
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| mntmn | i ordered 100x pairs of black powder coatet steel side panels | 15:34 |
| mntmn | coated | 15:34 |
| Boostisbetter | Ahh yeah! Count me if they are going to sale! | 15:47 |
| Boostisbetter | mntmn: did you happen to get around to my hinge request? | 15:48 |
| mntmn | Boostisbetter: not yet, still on my list. soon | 15:48 |
| mntmn | there's at least one more person now that wants hinges | 15:48 |
| mntmn | (someone who is building a reform completely from scratch, and with usb-c power) | 15:48 |
| josch | wow, cool! | 16:04 |
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| mntmn | source: https://twitter.com/cooljqln/status/1487928217532919809 | 16:06 |
| mntmn | and: https://twitter.com/cooljqln/status/1488262621778178049 | 16:07 |
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| sknebel | neat | 16:11 |
| josch | and that's why I just throw money into the direction of mnt because I clearly lack the skill to do anything remotely similar XD | 16:15 |
| verx | +1 | 16:17 |
| mtm | mntmn: I'm definitely interested in the side panels (I'm thinking of mounting an SMA connector on them for an external antenna; I'm having no joy with the Molex and the Laird is on backorder) | 16:17 |
| mntmn | josch: well you are doing very valuable debianization work!! | 16:24 |
| josch | thanks :) | 16:24 |
| mntmn | mtm: ok, we should make a version of one of the panels with SMA mounting hole then i guess | 16:25 |
| mtm | +1 | 16:25 |
| mtm | speaking of steel side-panels, I've just started to investigate getting a laser cutter that can handle metal cutting (which sounds like maybe a fiber setup). Anyone have any advice? | 16:31 |
| mntmn | only fiber can do it | 16:33 |
| mntmn | and only thin stuff | 16:33 |
| mntmn | also, i failed importing an open fiber laser into europe/germany | 16:33 |
| mntmn | got in trouble with government authorities | 16:33 |
| mntmn | and lost 1.5k euro in the process | 16:33 |
| mtm | hmm | 16:34 |
| mtm | ouch | 16:34 |
| mntmn | i would leave metal cutting to an industrial provider | 16:34 |
| mntmn | or do CNC maybe | 16:34 |
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| mtm | yeah, guess I need to get some clarity on what I really want to do with it (mostly want to experiment). Maybe a plasma CNC setup would work, they're considerably cheaper) | 16:37 |
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| Boostisbetter | you know one thing I really appreciate with the Reform is that it is basically always on. Even when suspended it starts back up super fast. It reminds me of th HP line of LX and Omnibooks, that had instant on abilities. | 21:14 |
| technomancy | mine is always on because I never bother to suspend because I don't leave the house because omicron >_< | 21:19 |
| Boostisbetter | I like suspend just because it allows the CPU to cool down some. Still stays warm, but goes from 45-50C to around 30C. | 21:19 |
| erlehmann | why do computers take forever to boot anyway | 21:20 |
| erlehmann | i mean a VCR was basically instant on | 21:21 |
| erlehmann | so is a microwave oven | 21:21 |
| Boostisbetter | the BIOS is doing a systems check for the most part. Trust me, you don't want to really boot without it. | 21:21 |
| kfx | I do! That's why I use suspend! | 21:31 |
| Boostisbetter | I think that this reason is why suspend became a thing to begin with . | 21:31 |
| Boostisbetter | I mean occasionally the Reform will mess up on the resume, and I'll have to circle 1 it. | 21:32 |
| Boostisbetter | But so far that hasn't seemed to mess up my install or anything else. It fires back up without issue, and I just briefly set it all back up. | 21:32 |
| sigrid | so far I only had one hang and it happened during suspending. resume worked 100% of the time | 21:32 |
| sigrid | I was wondering whether it makes sense to put lpc into deep sleep on suspend as well | 21:34 |
| Boostisbetter | > so far I only had one hang and it happened during suspending. resume worked 100% of the time | 21:42 |
| Boostisbetter | I wish someone could check my suspend script, I'm just not sure I have it right. | 21:42 |
| Boostisbetter | Hint hint sigrid: hahaha | 22:17 |
| kfx | you should pastebin it in case someone is willing to review it | 22:19 |
| Boostisbetter | thanks, here it is: | 22:23 |
| Boostisbetter | https://pastebin.com/LJRW973k | 22:23 |
| Boostisbetter | basically, I'm seeing about 2-7 resumes without error. Before updating it was more like 20 resumes without errors or crashing. | 22:24 |
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