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| erlehmann | vkoskiv same energy as seeing someone with a thinkpad T60 i guess ^^ | 02:56 |
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| Boostisbetter | vkoskiv: I feel the same way about seeing the Framework Laptop in the real world. Although them being a subject matter expert is not something I would automatically assign to the owner of own of those. I am a community moderator at the Framework forum and it is clear the average user is the main customer there. | 10:07 |
| josch | mntmn: reform-debian-packages now builds linux 5.17-rc1. I already tested the result and it works fine. Next I'll rebase my stuff for reform-system-image on top of sysimage-v3. Do you want me to go step by step with multiple small MR or would you like to have one big MR? For me the latter would be easier because this is half a rewrite. | 11:01 |
| mntmn | josch: awesome, thanks! and big MR is ok | 11:17 |
| mntmn | Boostisbetter: very good point @ ld.so.conf, i actually forgot to remove that in the new image | 11:18 |
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| Boostisbetter | mntmn: no problem. Least I can do for the help I have been getting here. | 13:37 |
| flowy | installed sysimage-v3 yesterday and it's going ok so far. @mntmn and @josch thanks! i really appreciate the further debian'ification! | 14:16 |
| mntmn | flowy: cool! | 14:16 |
| josch | flowy: sysimage-v3 was (so far) not touched by me at all :) | 14:17 |
| flowy | josch well it's using some of your packages no? | 14:17 |
| josch | Ah, yes it does. | 14:18 |
| flowy | i did encounter some flakiness with chromium first run on a fresh user in sway... but i guess there's little value in reporting this, as i can't repeat the issue. first window opened seemed to stop updating the window graphically almost right away and i had to restart | 14:18 |
| flowy | didn't bode well but everything has been fine since so *shrug* | 14:19 |
| flowy | it's nice to see the reform system image scripts slimming | 14:24 |
| Boostisbetter | flowy: for me Chromium appears to work well but if you try to work with any kind of tab suspender extension it seems to crash. | 14:39 |
| Boostisbetter | the same tab suspender under Vivaldi does not crash sway | 14:39 |
| Boostisbetter | Now one question I have, is since I used apt to upgrade, am I using sysimg-v3? | 14:39 |
| Boostisbetter | and if I would prefer to use sysimg, how would i go about that in the future? | 14:40 |
| mntmn | Boostisbetter: as mentioned yesterday, we will provide an upgrade guide/script | 14:45 |
| Boostisbetter | mntmn: most excellent | 14:46 |
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| flowy | Boostisbetter: no an apt upgrade doesn't bring you some subtle configuration changes, nor does it upgrade the kernel (much more significant). | 15:03 |
| flowy | you can see how the official sysimage is created here: https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-system-image (and for v3 you have to select the v3 branch) | 15:04 |
| flowy | and if you scroll up a bit you'll see @mntmn yesterday linked to an image that can be tested (if you write it to an sd card) | 15:07 |
| flowy | though i guess in the future apt will bring down reform kernels too | 15:08 |
| flowy | but be warned it's just being tested right now | 15:09 |
| Boostisbetter | yeah, no rush here, and if in the future an apt can get it to me, that is what I'd prefer. | 15:11 |
| Boostisbetter | mntmn: I'm back to using Chromium again, and I have uninstalled the tab suspender extension. I really think it had to do with it. | 15:12 |
| Boostisbetter | I'm curious what methods people are using to help memory management with browsers. I don't particularly enjoy using the swap file because of excessive RAM usage. | 15:12 |
| Boostisbetter | I normally float right around 80% ram utilization with my current workflow. | 15:12 |
| flowy | how many tabs you got open heh? | 15:13 |
| flowy | i would be suspicious of plugins like that tab suspender... avoid extensions like the plague | 15:14 |
| flowy | obviously chromium already has the sort of functionality it describes, not sure why you'd trust this rando extension's decisions around tab suspension/memory management vs. chromium developers | 15:15 |
| flowy | Boostisbetter: is your system actually swapping? | 15:16 |
| flowy | a little swapping is absolutely fine. especially if you're on nvme. | 15:16 |
| Boostisbetter | flowy: Chromium crashed without using any extension | 15:16 |
| Boostisbetter | just now | 15:16 |
| Boostisbetter | so I'm back on Vivaldi | 15:17 |
| Boostisbetter | Chromium built in memory management isn't that great from I can tell. | 15:17 |
| Boostisbetter | Chromium's built in memory management isn't that great from I can tell. | 15:17 |
| Boostisbetter | Vivaldi on the other hand does a very good job of it. | 15:17 |
| flowy | hmm, well- at this point, maybe you should create a fresh user on your reform, start up sway and use chromium in that fresh account for a while to determine if it's something to do with your configuration or a system wide issue | 15:17 |
| flowy | keep the settings as vanilla as possible while testing | 15:18 |
| flowy | also what version of chromium are you currently running? | 15:18 |
| Boostisbetter | 97 | 15:18 |
| Boostisbetter | according to mntmn 97 is working. | 15:18 |
| Boostisbetter | so I think it is something specific to me or the extensions I'm using. | 15:19 |
| flowy | yeah i'm also using it (the debian sid package) | 15:19 |
| flowy | or maybe before creating a fresh account i'd try just resetting your local chromium settings, i.e. rm'ing ~/.config/chromium | 15:22 |
| Boostisbetter | that is probably all I really need to do | 15:22 |
| flowy | and also ~/.cache/chromium | 15:22 |
| Boostisbetter | but I mean I'm using Vivaldi now and it is working well | 15:22 |
| Boostisbetter | so I think I'll just wait to deal with it until Vivaldi is giving me problems as well | 15:22 |
| Boostisbetter | hopefully, when I'm fully migrated to sysimg-v3 (after testing) all of this stuff will be sorted fo rme. | 15:29 |
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| flowy | for your chromium issues, i'm not hopeful that sysimg-v3 will make a difference. you're running debian sid, so it's mostly the same packages that are relevent to this issue. different kernel yes, but i would definitely try resetting your chrome settings before hoping that a new kernel will help. | 15:51 |
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| mntmn | Boostisbetter: also, can you confirm that you are using our xwayland package? i.e. what's the version shown by `apt show xwayland | grep Version` ? | 15:56 |
| Boostisbetter | mntmn: this is what I got: | 16:24 |
| Boostisbetter | Version: 2:21.1.4-1+reform1 | 16:24 |
| mntmn | Boostisbetter: that is good | 16:26 |
| Boostisbetter | 👍️ | 16:32 |
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| josch | mntmn: when I run ./build-pdf-book.sh from reform-debian-package I get this: http://paste.debian.net/1228737/ Does that look familiar to you? | 16:50 |
| josch | *from reform-handbook | 16:50 |
| mntmn | josch: not really, looks like a problem with including PDF graphics? | 17:01 |
| josch | yup, looks like it | 17:01 |
| mntmn | maybe one of the pdfs is broken/unreadable, i will try to rerun it here | 17:02 |
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| mntmn | josch: you did not yet push that anywhere, right? | 17:10 |
| mntmn | josch: just rerunning the pipeline to see if it still works https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-handbook/-/jobs/570 | 17:14 |
| mntmn | josch: locally on my debian PC it just worked TM | 17:14 |
| josch | I didn't push it anywhere yet. I'm building locally in a clean chroot. | 17:15 |
| josch | mntmn: could you paste me the output of the following command on the machine running the ci pipeline: | 17:16 |
| josch | dpkg-query --showformat '${binary:Package}=${Version}\n' --show | 17:16 |
| josch | maybe it's about a missing dependency | 17:16 |
| mntmn | josch: well, the handbook is being built in a docker container | 17:24 |
| mntmn | josch: https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-handbook/-/blob/master/.gitlab-ci.yml | 17:25 |
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| josch | strange... all the packages from the "apt install" line are installed in my build chroot... :/ | 17:34 |
| mntmn | josch: strange indeed, if you check out the reform-handbook repo fresh and execute the script, do you get the same error? | 17:42 |
| Boostisbetter | mntmn: after upgrading I can no longer turn off the keyboard back light. Even when using sudo it says permission denied. | 17:43 |
| josch | I'm building inside sbuild. So the tarball of the repo is freshly unpacked inside a clean chroot every time. | 17:43 |
| Boostisbetter | mntmn: this command: echo -en "\0LITE0" > /dev/hidraw0 | 17:43 |
| Boostisbetter | I wonder if there other elements of the standby script that are thusly affected. | 17:44 |
| Boostisbetter | mtnm: which I just tested, I am getting a permission denied on all echo commands. Before the upgrade I had it so that I can run the stanby script without sudo and it worked. But now that is not the case AND even with sudo I am getting a permissions denied. | 17:46 |
| mntmn | Boostisbetter: sudo does not work for stream redirection (>) | 17:51 |
| sigrid | echo ... | sudo tee /file/path | 17:52 |
| Boostisbetter | OK, but why is the permission denied now? | 17:58 |
| Boostisbetter | None of the echo commands are working. | 17:58 |
| mntmn | Boostisbetter: because you are trying them directly in your shell | 18:00 |
| mntmn | Boostisbetter: if you did `sudo su` first to become root in that shell, it would work | 18:00 |
| Boostisbetter | OK the reason I started looking is because the keyboard back light is not being turned off anymore with the standby script like it used to. | 18:01 |
| mntmn | Boostisbetter: that is unrelated though | 18:01 |
| Boostisbetter | mntmn: then why does echo -en "\0LITE0" > /dev/hidraw0 all of a sudden not have any affect on the keyboard backlight? would you be able to say? | 18:13 |
| Boostisbetter | mntmn: my guess is that whatever process is reading hidraw0 is not reading it to set the keyboard backlight anymore. | 18:27 |
| mntmn | Boostisbetter: that process is running inside the keyboard | 18:36 |
| mntmn | Boostisbetter: maybe you have an external keyboard connected? | 18:37 |
| Boostisbetter | no, but I can say that I belive this started after adding the binding and unbind commands to the script. | 18:37 |
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| mntmn | Boostisbetter: maybe your are unbinding the keyboard _before_ sending the hidraw message? | 19:05 |
| Boostisbetter | mntmn: This is where I've insert the bind and unbind commands: | 19:07 |
| Boostisbetter | # Either manual or suspending | 19:07 |
| Boostisbetter | if [[ -z "$1" || $1 = "suspend" ]]; then | 19:07 |
| Boostisbetter | set_wakes | 19:07 |
| Boostisbetter | radio_off | 19:07 |
| Boostisbetter | bklite_off | 19:08 |
| Boostisbetter | echo 0003:03EB:2041.0002 >/sys/bus/hid/drivers/hid-generic/unbind | 19:08 |
| Boostisbetter | echo 0003:03EB:2042.0001 >/sys/bus/hid/drivers/hid-generic/unbind | 19:08 |
| Boostisbetter | fi | 19:08 |
| Boostisbetter | # Go sleeping for manual run | 19:08 |
| Boostisbetter | if [[ -z "$1" ]]; then | 19:08 |
| Boostisbetter | sync | 19:08 |
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| Boostisbetter | mntmn: where the bind is commented out was where I had the bind command initially | 19:09 |
| Boostisbetter | But in both instances the backlight should have been disabled first. | 19:10 |
| Boostisbetter | Also when trying to issue the hidraw edit myself is had no effect. | 19:11 |
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| Boostisbetter | btw, one of the best thing the Reform is good at is playing DOS games. I mean it plays them PERFECTLY. Who needs retro computers? Hahaha | 20:15 |
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| josch | The missing dependency when building reform-handbook was ghostscript. | 23:18 |
| josch | I now debianized the whole thing. Once the MR is accepted, I'll integrate it into reform-debian-packages and then I'll use that in my non-root&reproducible update to reform-system-image. | 23:19 |
| mntmn | ahhh @ ghostscript, that makes sense, sorry | 23:23 |
| mntmn | josch: also, awesome, thanks | 23:24 |
| mntmn | will take a look tomorrow | 23:24 |
| josch | Okay! Good night! :) | 23:24 |
| mntmn | n8! | 23:26 |
| Boostisbetter | Night night! | 23:39 |
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