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| sigrid | reform decided to not boot once i decided to work from a coffee shop. a hole to reset the lpc with a toothpick would come in handy right now :D | 16:24 |
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| sigrid | i will certainly drill one | 16:24 |
| mntmn | oop | 16:40 |
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| sigrid | actually, no. it required both battery arrays to be disconnected | 17:37 |
| sigrid | this happened once in the beginning too | 17:37 |
| sigrid | drilling a hole wouldn't really help | 17:37 |
| sigrid | mntmn: any ideas what could be the reason for this? | 17:38 |
| sigrid | tl;dr lpcrst does not really rst | 17:39 |
| sigrid | I checked it after this and it does get reset | 17:39 |
| sigrid | but before it would not react at all | 17:39 |
| mntmn | sigrid: some kind of hard crash of LPC? | 17:40 |
| sigrid | how does one debug it? does lpc have a uart? | 17:42 |
| sigrid | i mean, one that is accessible to the outside | 17:42 |
| mntmn | probably in this case more like JTAG | 17:43 |
| mntmn | there's also a brownout watchdog function | 17:44 |
| mntmn | i've played with this once and have some code but i couldn't get it to work on time IIRC so it's commented out | 17:44 |
| sigrid | oh, I see. interesting | 17:44 |
| mntmn | sigrid: btw wait a second. you said "not to boot", what exactly happened? did the keyboard try to wake LPC and couldn't? | 17:44 |
| mntmn | sigrid: or did the keyboard itself not wake up | 17:45 |
| sigrid | I pressed the circle key and nothing would happen | 17:45 |
| mntmn | aha! | 17:45 |
| sigrid | I pressed it for long and still nothing | 17:45 |
| mntmn | that means the keyboard crashed/froze, not lpc | 17:45 |
| sigrid | oh | 17:45 |
| mntmn | the keyboard controls the OLED etc | 17:45 |
| sigrid | ah | 17:45 |
| mntmn | so i think someone else here had this happen recently | 17:45 |
| sigrid | ok, that makes sense | 17:45 |
| mntmn | that sometimes the keyboard does not wake from sleep | 17:45 |
| mntmn | so it makes sense to look into watchdog for the ATMega32U4 i guess | 17:46 |
| mntmn | also, the keyboard has a reset button that is reachable without disassembling the case | 17:46 |
| mntmn | but unfortunately it will always enter programming mode :| | 17:47 |
| sigrid | lol | 17:47 |
| mntmn | (that could be fixed by soldering a pullup resistor perhaps) | 17:47 |
| mntmn | i.e. currently the switch that selects programming mode (on the keyboard) does nothing, it is always in programming mode when pressing reset | 17:47 |
| mntmn | there's either a missing pullup or a surplus pulldown, need to check later | 17:48 |
| sigrid | actually on something loosely related, I was wondering whether it's possible for the keyboard to have be able to tell whether the soc has shut down for a period of time, and send xPWR0 to the lpc on its own | 17:48 |
| sigrid | s/to have/to/ | 17:48 |
| mntmn | yes, that's possible i think | 17:49 |
| mntmn | depending on how the USB host works... if it disconnects the keyboard, or doesn't poll for input anymore... | 17:49 |
| mntmn | then you could detect that | 17:49 |
| mntmn | similar to what ex-parrot has been working on | 17:49 |
| sigrid | I think that'd be nice | 17:49 |
| mntmn | yeah maybe that could be a more elegant solution than the scripting-at-poweroff | 17:50 |
| sigrid | I played a bit with writing a custom hid driver and set a pm_power_off function but the power off stuff in the kernel is a huge mess | 17:50 |
| sigrid | hope to find some time to play with that idea | 17:51 |
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| sigrid | it's either that or making spi bus work between lpc and soc? | 17:53 |
| mntmn | yup, or maybe there are drivers for fixed uart devices? not sure | 17:55 |
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| yankcrime | i'm probably selling my barely-used mnt reform standalone keyboard - i just can't get on with the split spacebar :( if you're in the uk and interested then just msg me | 18:38 |
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| Boostisbetter | bummer. I thought the spacebar was a little difficult when I got my reform, but I was already used to typing with a split keyboard and so I came around after not too long. All the best on the sale. | 19:14 |
| technomancy | haha I have some complaints about the keyboard but the split spacebar is one of the best parts | 19:16 |
| Boostisbetter | As with most keyboards getting comfortable with it usually requires time. But it also requires commitment. As keyboard are the means to doing work on computers, that time and commitment are two factors which are going to verify for everyone. Only the individual knows if the time investment is worth it. I really like the Reform Laptop, and the keyboard is one fo the reasons for it. My only complai | 19:21 |
| Boostisbetter | nt is the key to the left of the a key. But I'm getting used to it. | 19:21 |
| technomancy | Boostisbetter: I remapped that to ctrl within a week of getting it, haha | 19:22 |
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| Boostisbetter | 👍️ | 19:27 |
| Boostisbetter | need to get the led out and remap mine as well. Any pointers on how one does that? | 19:27 |
| technomancy | https://p.hagelb.org/firmware.patch <- I made these changes in the main `reform` repo | 19:29 |
| technomancy | the handbook explains how to flash it I think | 19:29 |
| Boostisbetter | most excellent!! | 19:31 |
| technomancy | definitely worth taking the time to do! | 19:31 |
| technomancy | consider getting rid of the key between Z and shift while you're at it, if you type a US layout | 19:32 |
| sigrid | as an option one could have a cap to cover two keys | 19:54 |
| sigrid | I vaguely remember kfx having something like that? maybe I mix things up | 19:54 |
| technomancy | easier just to remove the outer one =) | 19:55 |
| technomancy | not like there's any shortage of keys | 19:55 |
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| Boostisbetter | mntmn, do you guys offer factory / warehouse tours should I be in Berlin one of these days? 🤣️ | 20:30 |
| Boostisbetter | btw, who would have known that the Reform Laptop would help me rekindle my love for DOS era gaming. I never beat Wolfenstein 3d's first scenario on the hardest level, and I am half way there now. | 21:07 |
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