| - erlehmann (QUIT: Quit: Just say no, then the virus can not enter your body without your consent.) (~erle@ip5f5bd566.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de) | 00:01 | |
| mntmn | Boostisbetter: i actually do, i guess it is about SGX | 00:12 |
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| kfx | bad news for them, then, since intel dropped it | 00:22 |
| mntmn | oh :3 | 00:22 |
| nocko | Also, only approx. 10th gen seems to support it... IDK what percentage of "active" installations that represents, but I doubt it's large. | 00:26 |
| nocko | Nm, missed the "show more" in the garbagey ARK interface. | 00:29 |
| - mtm (QUIT: Ping timeout: 240 seconds) (~mtm@c-73-27-62-116.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) | 01:04 | |
| kfx | nocko: basically, 6th through 10th generation intel cpus support it. anything newer drops it (with the exception of gemini lake SoCs) | 01:54 |
| kfx | but it doesn't matter if you have it or not because it's almost entirely broken | 01:55 |
| mntmn | the more often i watch shows/movies via reform's hdmi the more often i want to port the hdmi audio driver | 01:57 |
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| - Christoph_ (QUIT: Remote host closed the connection) (~Christoph@p54bf6d81.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) | 02:06 | |
| - bibliocar (QUIT: Read error: Connection reset by peer) (~g@195.82.99.14) | 02:07 | |
| bluerise | mntmn: How's the CM4 adapter coming? ;) (I probably get on your nerves with that) | 02:35 |
| mntmn | bluerise: will order next rev this week ^^ | 02:36 |
| bluerise | :D Let me know if you need any support | 02:36 |
| mntmn | cool ok | 02:58 |
| bluerise | UEFI RK3566 Support is progressing well | 02:58 |
| bluerise | https://github.com/jaredmcneill/quartz64_uefi | 02:59 |
| bluerise | HDMI works, SD card works, Ethernet is WIP, and I'll be finishing eMMC soon | 02:59 |
| bluerise | (for UEFI) | 02:59 |
| kfx | the story of arm: new year, new SoC, never look back | 02:59 |
| bluerise | Yup | 03:00 |
| bluerise | it never ends | 03:00 |
| kfx | I was hoping for more stability from the reform, but I guess the soc will just sit on the shelf with the pinebook pro everyone abandoned last year | 03:00 |
| bluerise | Hm? | 03:00 |
| bluerise | The i.MX8MQ in the Reform is one of the more stable SoCs | 03:01 |
| mntmn | yeah | 03:01 |
| kfx | as someone who isn't a developer, it doesn't do me a lot of good if the developers move on | 03:03 |
| bluerise | RK3399 is also one of the more popular SoCs, and Pine64 even created a new product (Pinephone Pro) with the RK3399, so that's also nice. | 03:03 |
| bluerise | True | 03:03 |
| kfx | that's kind of my point | 03:04 |
| kfx | lots of rockchip products are popular, but none of them develop a mature ecosystem, because the development community gets about 80% of the functionality implemented and then they get new SoCs | 03:05 |
| kfx | the pinephone is probably the most egregious example, as it still barely works | 03:06 |
| kfx | and the pinephone pro is almost entirely incompatible with it | 03:06 |
| - chomwitt (QUIT: Ping timeout: 250 seconds) (~chomwitt@2a02:587:dc0b:200:12c3:7bff:fe6d:d374) | 03:06 | |
| bluerise | yeah I didn't even look at the pinephone, the processor already outdated 5 years ago, so I wonder why they even tried that shit. | 03:06 |
| bluerise | the pinephone pro design is much better. better controllers used | 03:07 |
| bluerise | maybe they needed the design experience.... | 03:07 |
| kfx | the processor is outdated only when compared to thousand-dollar android flagships, which is not the market segment most of the world lives in | 03:07 |
| mntmn | i think with the next sysimage release (planned for end of next week as beta), we're gonna have a very stable imx8mq platform with upgradable debian etc | 03:07 |
| bluerise | compared to that the rk3399 is completely outdated as well | 03:07 |
| bluerise | but it's like you use an AMD Athlon from 10 years ago for a phone instead of a current Intel Atom | 03:08 |
| bluerise | sure I don't expect a Ryzen lol | 03:08 |
| bluerise | also, you can't ever compete with android flagships | 03:08 |
| kfx | are software bounties still a thing? I wonder how much I'd have to offer for early-boot video on the reform | 03:08 |
| mntmn | and i'm still pretty fond of imx | 03:08 |
| mntmn | kfx: well, we can talk about it | 03:09 |
| mntmn | kfx: mnt needs money and i could potentially prioritize some things differently | 03:09 |
| bluerise | those (mostly) Qualcomm SoCs are just way ahead of any other SoC you can get. usually QC has their Linux ecosystem ready when the chip is released, while for the Rockchips you wait a year to get a chip and only then people start getting stuff ready | 03:09 |
| bluerise | it's a race the 'developer ecosystem' can't ever win | 03:10 |
| + mtm (~mtm@c-73-27-62-116.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) | 03:10 | |
| bluerise | and also... we're not paid, so,... | 03:10 |
| kfx | rockchip also makes weird self-limiting decisions with their SoCs | 03:10 |
| - nsc (QUIT: Ping timeout: 240 seconds) (~nicolas@i5C7442D3.versanet.de) | 03:10 | |
| kfx | which is the main reason I don't really like them. they leave a lot of functionality on the table just by leaving traces out | 03:11 |
| mntmn | i also would never go rockchip only with reform | 03:11 |
| mntmn | anyway, a discussion for another day | 03:11 |
| mntmn | it's 3am i shouldn't be awake ^^ | 03:11 |
| kfx | they engineer to a feature-set, and I get that, but arm is just going to always be a mess unless and until someone figures out how to entice vendors to adhere to some minimal standardization practices | 03:12 |
| mntmn | good night (in CET) | 03:12 |
| kfx | good night | 03:12 |
| + nsc (~nicolas@i5C7448DF.versanet.de) | 03:12 | |
| kfx | the two things I'd pay the most for are early-boot video on the reform, and a fully-functional openbsd port to the 'default' config | 03:13 |
| * nsc -> Guest1931 | 03:13 | |
| kfx | but I don't have the cash to move markets, really | 03:13 |
| bluerise | interesting, someone interested in OpenBSD | 03:16 |
| bluerise | I have been trying and failing for a while on early-boot video https://github.com/bluerise/u-boot/commits/mntre-disp | 03:17 |
| kfx | I prefer it to linux when I'm doing unix-like stuff, and openbsd code tends to be easier to understand when I'm trying to figure hardware stuff out for 9front. I've managed to get wifi cards to power on under 9front... sooner or later I may even figure out how to get them to work | 03:18 |
| bluerise | OpenBSD works quite well on the i.MX8MQ, if it wasn't for the MIPI-DSI display | 03:18 |
| bluerise | I have like 30,000+ OpenBSD-based i.MX8MQ machines out there in the wild, but none of those use MIPI-DSI | 03:19 |
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| kklimonda | @mntmn well, given that you've finally resolved your crowd supply shipment I've decided to cancel my order and reorder from your website - just to wait some more (and avoid hassle with taxes and customs in general). ;D | 07:06 |
| + chomwitt (~chomwitt@athedsl-15695.home.otenet.gr) | 07:22 | |
| Boostisbetter | bluerise, I know quite a few people who love OpenBSD. I personally don't see the point. | 07:28 |
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| + erlehmann (~erle@ip5f5bd566.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de) | 10:03 | |
| - erlehmann (QUIT: Ping timeout: 256 seconds) (~erle@ip5f5bd566.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de) | 10:28 | |
| + erlehmann (~erle@ip5f5bd566.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de) | 10:28 | |
| Boostisbetter | mntmn, there are two washes in the display. Do they go on the bottom center screw posts? I took off the display cover and didn't realize they were there. I heard a shuffling noise everytime I closed and opened the display, so I opened it up and found those 2 washers. I though I saw an imprint on the 2 botton center posts so that is where I put them again, but I just wanted to make sure that was c | 10:40 |
| Boostisbetter | orrect. | 10:40 |
| + mjw (~mjw_@2001:1c06:2488:1400:9e5c:8eff:fe8f:a440) | 10:51 | |
| mntmn | Boostisbetter: yes, they go on those posts. it's a fix for the posts being not long enough | 10:55 |
| Boostisbetter | mntmn, thanks! I figured as much. Love this thing! | 10:56 |
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| + ruff (~ruff@ip-78-45-99-112.net.upcbroadband.cz) | 12:43 | |
| mntmn | cool https://www.ifixit.com/Device/MNT_Reform | 13:03 |
| vkoskiv | Oo, there is a good target. The most open and documented laptop on iFixit! | 13:03 |
| - mtm (QUIT: Ping timeout: 250 seconds) (~mtm@c-73-27-62-116.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) | 13:04 | |
| vkoskiv | I see the DIY manual and handbook are attached. Could also add all the schematics and other material | 13:04 |
| mntmn | yep. a copy of schematics is at the end of handbook tho | 13:09 |
| vkoskiv | Putting the schematics directly would make it more obvious | 13:30 |
| + Christoph_ (~Christoph@p54bf6459.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) | 13:53 | |
| mntmn | vkoskiv: that is true | 14:21 |
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| ruff | mntmn: why SPI devices are not described in DTB? | 18:27 |
| mntmn | ruff: which spi devices? | 18:27 |
| ruff | like LPC link, it goes to SoM as MOSI/MISO/MCLK so it is a spi device from SOM perspective | 18:28 |
| ruff | or is it just a bitbang on gpio lines? | 18:29 |
| ruff | I don't have SoM schematics so have no idea how it interfaces SoC | 18:30 |
| mntmn | the spi link to lpc isn't implemented (yet), that's the explanation ^^ | 18:30 |
| ruff | yes, I saw this, so trying to understand whether it is just software implementation pending or there's some hw problem underneath? | 18:31 |
| ruff | Is there some place I can read in details about this interface (and its problems) to see if I can help with it somehow? | 18:32 |
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| flowy1 | Boostisbetter: have you used openbsd much? some things are just marvelous. as a longtime network/sysadmin, having used pf a bunch, i wish i never had to use anything else. it kind of made me despise anything network related if i can't use pf. | 18:41 |
| flowy1 | i find i can make my way around an openbsd system much easier without having to resort to a million web pages, compared to linux. its userland is more tightly controlled and well documented. | 18:43 |
| flowy1 | i'd say openbsd is a better match to mnt reform in terms of philosophy. i'd consider using it. who's trying? | 18:45 |
| Boostisbetter | I wouldn't mind it if their was an image for it, and everything worked. But I do think that Debian is a good middle ground. | 18:50 |
| ruff | flowy1: I've used freebsd for some time, but with a time I more and more pulled in linux userland up to the point where ports started messing with linux so I gave up and switched to gentoo :) | 18:51 |
| mntmn | ruff: i couldn't get it to work before shipping, but it could be simply driver/software issues | 18:51 |
| ruff | mntmn: ok so in other words there's no known problems other then lack of time so i can start from scratch? :) | 18:54 |
| kfx | I'm the opposite, ruff; when one of my pkg updates suddenly brought in bash as a dependency, I filed bugs | 18:55 |
| bluerise | flowy1: OpenBSD runs on mine, if only the graphics worked... | 18:57 |
| bluerise | serial console alone is quite boring indeed | 18:57 |
| bluerise | There's even a U-Boot mainline port (without video) that can easily boot OpenBSD with distro boot | 18:57 |
| flowy1 | i guess that's a pretty serious effort, to get graphics working? | 18:58 |
| bluerise | it shouldn't be hard, but when you can't find the knob that's missing, then it's a hard search | 19:00 |
| mntmn | ruff: correct | 19:04 |
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| bkeys | mntmn: Maybe you are already aware but in my order they went ahead and split the power cable from the main reform laptop package | 20:27 |
| mntmn | bkeys: interesting. those are generic cables btw | 20:32 |
| bkeys | Yeah I got a bunch of them | 20:33 |
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