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| bibliocar | oh neat, trying to port 9front to the reform is a thing. | 01:24 |
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| mntmn | bibliocar: it is? | 01:25 |
| bibliocar | google shows a couple people, though they may both be the same person? I just learned about it more than random mentions. | 01:27 |
| kfx | who? | 01:36 |
| verx | pinephone pro went on sale today, more arm stuff to play with | 01:37 |
| kfx | a lot of 9front People have Reforms | 01:37 |
| kfx | I've tried a couple desultory kernels here and there but I haven't heard anyone making a solid run at it yet | 01:38 |
| bibliocar | khm? | 01:38 |
| kfx | yes | 01:38 |
| bibliocar | you | 01:38 |
| kfx | yes, I'm trying | 01:38 |
| bibliocar | I was reading your blog. | 01:38 |
| kfx | the main problem at this time is that I'm a dolt | 01:38 |
| bibliocar | I'd help if I can... except I have like three things as "high priority" right now that I should be doing. | 01:39 |
| kfx | so on weekends I plug in my uart cable and try to get uboot to load a 9front kernel | 01:39 |
| kfx | bibliocar: in recent weeks more of us have received machines, including a couple of people far more skilled than I am. when we make any progress I'll post about it | 01:41 |
| pkill9 | how recycleable is the MNT Reform, or electronics in general? | 01:42 |
| pkill9 | not including reusing it | 01:42 |
| pkill9 | or parts of it | 01:43 |
| sigrid | for 9 to print to uart it needs to be implemented. i started it in Dec but haven't moved far cause priorities | 01:46 |
| sigrid | 9front does not have that uart driver anywhere | 01:47 |
| bibliocar | oh god, they're coming out of the woodwork | 01:47 |
| sigrid | tho it's pretty easy to implement without looking at gpl sources | 01:47 |
| swivel | didn't at&t release plan9 under the gpl anyways? | 01:59 |
| mntmn | nice | 01:59 |
| mntmn | there are also BSD drivers for most of the hardware btw | 01:59 |
| mntmn | except for the display engine afaik... | 01:59 |
| mntmn | (but the idea was to let u-boot or genode handle it) | 02:00 |
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| kfx | mntmn: right, if we can get u-boot to initialize the display, then hopefully 9front can inherit the framebuffer (this is how we do with uefi) | 03:06 |
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| ex-parrot | it feels like u-boot display is so close | 05:17 |
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| vkoskiv | So what's the consensus on the best SSD for the reform? I need to get me one before my unit shows up. | 09:49 |
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| ruff | vkoskiv: I think general consensus is "anything that works". The system is not the one that will sqeeze the last drop of performance from the nvme, so you may well go ahead and buy the same which Lukas offers on his site - to get consistent experience with others | 10:29 |
| josch | because the nvme drive will not be the bottleneck performance wise, I just bought the drive with the most TB per EUR | 10:31 |
| Boostisbetter | I would recommend the nvme. | 10:33 |
| Boostisbetter | It is significantly faster than the emmc or the SD. | 10:33 |
| Boostisbetter | Using it does prevent use of the hdmi port though. | 10:33 |
| mntmn | Boostisbetter: that is incorrect. hdmi works with nvme | 10:36 |
| mntmn | (required a crazy kernel patch) | 10:36 |
| Boostisbetter | Oh. I read in the manual that you could use only 1 or the other. Not both | 10:39 |
| mntmn | you are right > At the time of writing, there is a limitation in i.MX8MQ that prevents the use of LCDIF together with PCIe devices like NVMe storage---the LCDIF output will glitch when the disk is accessed over PCIe. | 10:41 |
| mntmn | i should have updated that for the online version at least >:| | 10:42 |
| mntmn | (i managed to work around this problem shortly before shipping the first units, but after the handbook was printed) | 10:42 |
| bluerise | mntmn: maybe we'll also get a RK3588 (brand new SoC) CM 'soon', which would be quite a lot faster and 'colder' than the RK3399 :O | 10:58 |
| bluerise | nothing official yet I think | 10:58 |
| mntmn | bluerise: oh ok? :3 | 11:01 |
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| mntmn | josch: btw CI is back https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-system-image/-/jobs/491 | 15:08 |
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| josch | nice! :D | 15:17 |
| josch | though with the extra source packages my MR currently builds, the job will certainly run into a timeout | 15:18 |
| josch | the mkrepo script should be moved elsewhere and be used to populate https://mntre.com/reform-debian/sid/ | 15:18 |
| josch | is the machinery creating that repo somewhere so that I can file a MR against that one? | 15:22 |
| mntmn | josch: i will set it up! | 15:26 |
| mntmn | cc plomlompom | 15:26 |
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| mntmn | josch: https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-debian-packages (yet empty, added you as a developer) | 15:36 |
| josch | mntmn: thanks, would you like me to push my script there and setup the gitlab ci? | 15:37 |
| mntmn | josch: so far i used apt-ftparchive on the server after uploading the packages, and then sign with gpg | 15:38 |
| mntmn | josch: yep, please | 15:38 |
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| sigrid | installed nvme but it doesn't seem to get detected whatsoever | 17:30 |
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| sigrid | tried lpc reset etc, nothing. any ideas? | 17:31 |
| sigrid | are there any "incompatible" nvmes? | 17:31 |
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| mntmn | sigrid: yep, for example some samsung ones | 17:38 |
| sigrid | ugh, that's the one I have :( why? | 17:38 |
| mntmn | sigrid: related thread https://community.mnt.re/t/confirmed-working-nvme-drives/224 | 17:38 |
| mntmn | (Samsung 970 Evo does not work for unknown reasons, maybe has x86 related rom... unclear. also doesn't work in pinebook) | 17:39 |
| mntmn | sigrid: which model do you have? | 17:39 |
| sigrid | 980 (not evo, just 980) | 17:40 |
| mntmn | ok... sorry to hear :/ | 17:41 |
| sigrid | it's fine, just going to return it | 17:41 |
| sigrid | "does not work on my machine" | 17:41 |
| sigrid | thanks for pointing the thread out. I did not find it before :/ | 17:42 |
| mntmn | yeah which is a valid reason i guess | 17:42 |
| mntmn | yeah maybe we should write somewhere that NOT ALL DISKS WORK or sth | 17:42 |
| sigrid | it would definitely help | 17:42 |
| kfx | sigrid: what revision? I wonder if it's the phoenix controller or the newer samsung one. what's the part number? | 17:43 |
| sigrid | the shop I bought it from only has 980 and 980 pro | 17:43 |
| sigrid | model is mz-v8v500 | 17:43 |
| sigrid | 2021/03/26 | 17:43 |
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| sigrid | ah hold on, I found the part number | 17:44 |
| kfx | sometime in 2021 they switched from a phoenix controller to one they designed in-house, because of the supply chain crap | 17:44 |
| sigrid | mzvlq500hblu | 17:45 |
| sigrid | maybe I should take mnt to the shop | 17:46 |
| sigrid | and try the other one out | 17:46 |
| kfx | sigrid: thanks | 17:47 |
| sigrid | hahaha. apparently they also made a mistake and gave me the 500gb one, for the price of 250gb | 17:56 |
| sigrid | I'll see if my partner's laptop has one that works with mnt and might switch those :) | 17:56 |
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| bluerise | I have a cheap Silicon Power NVMe | 18:13 |
| bluerise | it's draws too much power for the Pinebook Pro though. when battery gets 'lower', the system just panics | 18:14 |
| kfx | now there's a machine I haven't powered up in six months | 18:15 |
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| Boostisbetter | You know, I'm a windows developer, and I still use Windows pretty heavily because it is a system i know. I know how to disable the privacy issues many rightly identify. But I have really liked Linux. And even though I've bought Linux based laptops in the past, the Reform is the first one that has me seriously looking at Linux and using it daily. | 19:14 |
| Boostisbetter | that for me was an unexpected side-effect of picking up the Reform | 19:15 |
| Boostisbetter | well that and a new found respect and admiration for IRC. | 19:15 |
| Boostisbetter | hahahaha | 19:15 |
| mntmn | Boostisbetter: i like to hear it! | 19:16 |
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| Boostisbetter | yeah most of the things that push me back to windows are hardware and software glitches or issues. I just don't have the time to debug and try to fix my OS | 19:45 |
| Boostisbetter | but on the Reform everything has just worked. I had to change up some of the network management stuff, but that was more preference. | 19:45 |
| Boostisbetter | Anyway, all I'm really saying, great job MNT, and get us the Pocket Reform as soon as possible. Hahahaha. We are ready!! | 19:46 |
| technomancy | ACTION concurs | 19:49 |
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| ruff | My only other rant (apart of power leds) is upside down usb ports. Not too convenient using usb security keys | 20:24 |
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| ruff | and while I can fix the leds (smd resistor pack is on the way) the ports is something i just need to live with | 20:26 |
| swivel | that makes me wonder if there's usb orientation adapters out there akin to usb condoms | 20:27 |
| technomancy | yeah that is a really odd mistake | 20:27 |
| ruff | mntmn: are the magnets in the bezel available off the shelf? Another thing coming with resostors are reed switches to make lid switch | 20:30 |
| ruff | so I'm thinking to put a couple of switches at the bottom and add two magnets at the bezel. a couple to protect from noise (eg watches) | 20:32 |
| kfx | too complicated. just put a really tall keycap on one of the keys and sleep as long as that key is held down. | 20:33 |
| ruff | why complicated? Just connect in seriies | 20:34 |
| kfx | I just wanted to pitch the dumbest possible way to guarantee screen damage without actually solving the problem | 20:34 |
| kfx | that way if Lenovo is hiring and monitoring this channel I'm a shoe-in for lead designer | 20:35 |
| mntmn | ruff: no, they are custom | 20:35 |
| mntmn | actually, we cloned a size that was available at modulor in germany | 20:35 |
| ruff | ah ok, my sense of humor is at s5 state | 20:35 |
| kfx | I fixed the power led brightness with black fingernail polish | 20:36 |
| mntmn | ha | 20:36 |
| kfx | this solution has been deployed on dozens of consumer devices and motor vehicles over the years | 20:37 |
| ruff | kfx: this is very elegant solution by is against my power envelope | 20:37 |
| swivel | mntmn: re: the usb ports, is that something correctable with different ports soldered in? or is the only corrective action to flip the board? | 20:37 |
| kfx | it is extremely portable but no it does not reduce power consumption in the slightest | 20:37 |
| mntmn | swivel: idk | 20:37 |
| mntmn | (maybe there are upside down port parts, i haven't checked) | 20:38 |
| technomancy | kfx: I'd hire you | 20:38 |
| technomancy | that's the kind of innovative thinking we need | 20:38 |
| swivel | 2fa hw tokens have become quite common... i was actually just forced to turn on 2fa on my github to continue systemd group membership, LF is sending me one of those to streamline logging in | 20:39 |
| mntmn | lasered and made 25 bags of QWERTZ replacement keycaps. i feel empty | 20:39 |
| kfx | technomancy: that puts you in a very select group of employers which so far has primarily been the us federal government and various contractors thereto | 20:39 |
| technomancy | kfx: I mean, hypothetically; if I worked at Lenovo | 20:39 |
| kfx | I have all my security tokens plugged into a usb hub so they stick out radially, then I just plug the pigtail into whatever computer | 20:40 |
| kfx | this is computing; we solve problems by introducing abstraction layers | 20:40 |
| Boostisbetter | The black nail polish on the led is a slick solution. I don't know though, I kind of like the leds. I always know the status of the Reform based on how much light I am seeing. I will always know if the batteries are still giving juice because of them. | 20:41 |
| swivel | but we value laptops having many ports for a reason ;) | 20:41 |
| ruff | something does not tick. Unless "abstraction layers" is another term for "bigger issues"? | 20:42 |
| swivel | im not bringing a hub to the cafe i work from... | 20:42 |
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| ruff | does nail polish help with upside down usb ports? (erratically trying to resume my sense of humor at least to s2) | 20:45 |
| kfx | ruff: I'll test it out | 20:46 |
| Boostisbetter | mntmn, have you ever considered selling black aluminum bottom covers as something someone could select in place of the acrylic? | 20:51 |
| mntmn | yeah there exist some demos of that here | 20:54 |
| mntmn | increases the chance of shorting stuff and not seeing that until smoke comes out though ;) | 20:54 |
| mntmn | (source: happened to me in early development) | 20:54 |
| ruff | mntmn: cannot find on modulor 3x12, found 3x10 though | 20:55 |
| kfx | Boostisbetter: mntmn: I have ordered a bottom cover to be milled of G10 | 20:56 |
| kfx | nonconductive for that exact reason | 20:57 |
| mntmn | kfx: oh, interesting! | 20:57 |
| kfx | the guy doing that milling is busy right now so it's taking a while | 20:58 |
| Boostisbetter | mntmn, that is a very good reason to not go that route. I didn't initially love the clear cover, but I like it now. Especially because I can visually see the state of the laptop with the lid closed. | 21:01 |
| sigrid | speaking of nail polish, i found it's much easier to type on reform keyboard with long nail extensions than on a more "normal" keyboard with wider spacing between the keys. the noise is absolutely horrendous and trackballing isn't easy though. don't know if that is useful info. ymmv | 21:02 |
| kfx | https://www.elderly.com/collections/category_fingerpicks mnt reform typing accelerator catalog | 21:05 |
| + vagrantc (~vagrant@2600:3c01:e000:21:21:21:0:100b) | 21:06 | |
| mntmn | sigrid: interesting. | 21:07 |
| - MajorBiscuit (QUIT: Ping timeout: 240 seconds) (~MajorBisc@c-001-022-052.client.tudelft.eduvpn.nl) | 21:09 | |
| pkill9 | the noise of the keyboard is horrendous? | 21:19 |
| sigrid | yes. when typing with nails fast | 21:19 |
| Boostisbetter | it is just loud. I mean even without fingernails. this is so. But it is a mechanical keyboard suspended over a somewhat hollow vessel. Noise is to be expected. I tend to thing of it as sweet soothing noise though. ymmv | 21:19 |
| pkill9 | yea | 21:29 |
| pkill9 | i imagine so | 21:29 |
| - bkeys (QUIT: Remote host closed the connection) (~Thunderbi@66.115.189.236) | 21:35 | |
| vagrantc | i haven't booted my mnt reform since december 18th, and i don't think i've charged it since then ... and battery was still reporting 100% | 21:47 |
| + adjtm (~adjtm@2a0c:5a80:3a17:7800:d1f9:3a6a:2c35:84e) | 21:47 | |
| vagrantc | or maybe i'm misremembering ... | 21:48 |
| swivel | LPC issues aside, isn't that one of the advantages of the LiFe chemistry? | 21:51 |
| vagrantc | oh definitely | 21:51 |
| vagrantc | the LPC firmware updates are very effective ... the earlier firmware drained a fair amount on a daily basis | 21:51 |
| + mtm- (~mtm@c-73-27-62-116.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) | 21:52 | |
| - GNUmoon (QUIT: Ping timeout: 276 seconds) (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) | 21:54 | |
| vagrantc | does the original mnt/reform image use an initrd? | 21:55 |
| vagrantc | i seem to have mangled mine a bit with u-boot testing | 21:55 |
| pkill9 | are the battery issues being fixed? | 22:04 |
| vagrantc | pkill9: what battery issues are you referring to? | 22:05 |
| pkill9 | the lack of low voltage cutoff | 22:05 |
| vagrantc | ACTION doesn't tend to drain the batteries low enough to ever worry about that | 22:07 |
| mntmn | vagrantc: nope, we don't use an initrd | 22:08 |
| bluerise | ohi vagrantc | 22:11 |
| Boostisbetter | has anyone been able to get th esignla client working on the Reform | 22:20 |
| Boostisbetter | *the signal client | 22:20 |
| - mtm- (QUIT: Ping timeout: 240 seconds) (~mtm@c-73-27-62-116.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) | 22:27 | |
| bluerise | mntmn: I feel like I'll have your CM4 adapter with an RK3566 and edk2 UEFI running before U-Boot merges the original patchset. | 22:32 |
| bluerise | It's frustrating | 22:32 |
| vagrantc | bluerise: hey, just about to test your patch to be able to send a tested-by :) | 22:38 |
| vagrantc | bluerise: merge window just opened, so hopefully should see more receptivity to new patches | 22:39 |
| bluerise | you'll need to remove +#define CONFIG_SYS_MMC_IMG_LOAD_PART 1 from include/configs/imx8mq_reform2.h so that it compiles on master | 22:40 |
| sigrid | another nvme, mzvlb256hahq-000l7: NOT working. just got hot somewhat | 22:42 |
| vagrantc | bluerise: it successfully compiled on 2022.01 ... though are you saying it won't boot? | 22:42 |
| bluerise | no, I was saying it doesn't compile | 22:42 |
| bluerise | because of stuff that was merged after 2022.01 | 22:42 |
| vagrantc | ah, got it | 22:42 |
| bluerise | git describe de35b8f9c5f36023055a424dcbf49b8cc301f901 | 22:43 |
| bluerise | v2022.01-rc4-275-gde35b8f9c5 | 22:43 |
| bluerise | hm | 22:43 |
| bluerise | anyway, if it compiles I'm fine | 22:43 |
| bluerise | but I'll probably send out a v5 with that one line removed | 22:43 |
| vagrantc | right | 22:44 |
| bluerise | (but only after I got feedback) | 22:46 |
| vagrantc | meh. | 22:47 |
| vagrantc | all i get is U-Boot SPL 2022.01+dfsg-1~20220110~0mntre0 (Jan 10 2022 - 21:25:41 +0000) | 22:47 |
| bluerise | ah, do you have | 22:49 |
| bluerise | a) are you using flash.bin? | 22:50 |
| vagrantc | oh yeah | 22:50 |
| bluerise | b) do you have b05cebb5f244f2891b40397ce2eb0f4596fec659 | 22:50 |
| vagrantc | definitely have that | 22:50 |
| bluerise | and do you do make flash.bin or just make? | 22:51 |
| bluerise | (because 'make flash.bin' would be wrong) | 22:52 |
| * plomlomp0m -> plomlompom | 22:54 | |
| vagrantc | yeah, checking the sources ... was on a different computer | 22:55 |
| pkill9 | bluerise: is the RK3566 a quad-core 2ghz? | 22:58 |
| bluerise | not 2GHz | 23:00 |
| bluerise | https://www.cnx-software.com/2020/12/16/rockchip-rk3566-and-rk3568-datasheets-and-features-comparison/ | 23:00 |
| bluerise | RK356x are Quad-Core Cortex-A55 | 23:00 |
| bluerise | so it's basically the successor to the Cortex-A53 in the i.MX8MQ, which basically still means 'low power' cores | 23:01 |
| vagrantc | bluerise: actually got a couple reviewed-by on your v4 | 23:01 |
| bluerise | and I only had to complain once, heh | 23:02 |
| pkill9 | i was looking at this https://www.96rocks.com/blog/2020/10/21/rockchip-rk3566-highlights/ and it said up to 2.ghz | 23:02 |
| vagrantc | :) | 23:02 |
| bluerise | pkill9: then probably, I haven't tried it scaling to 2GHz myself yet | 23:02 |
| bluerise | and haven't checked how far it goes | 23:03 |
| vagrantc | bah, source is on a computer that's turned off... | 23:03 |
| bluerise | Rockchip also announced RK3588 https://www.cnx-software.com/2022/01/09/rock5-model-b-rk3588-single-board-computer/ | 23:03 |
| bluerise | and RK3588S, which has a bit more power | 23:03 |
| pkill9 | could a fan be fit int he reform to potentially get greater CPU? | 23:03 |
| pkill9 | cool | 23:03 |
| pkill9 | also how much will SoM upgrades for the Reform cost? | 23:03 |
| pkill9 | also I would like to see some videogame-style illustration video for upgrades to Reform, lol | 23:04 |
| bluerise | the SOQuartz for instance is about 40-80$ depending on how much RAM you want, and then you need mntmn's CM4 adapter | 23:04 |
| bluerise | not sure how that one will be priced | 23:04 |
| pkill9 | with annotations to wireframe model of MNT etc, that would look cool | 23:04 |
| pkill9 | that's not too bad at all | 23:05 |
| bluerise | https://twitter.com/mntmn/status/1469271526323245060 | 23:06 |
| bluerise | will be quite fun | 23:06 |
| mntmn | :3 | 23:06 |
| bluerise | all mntmn sees is work-work-work ;) | 23:07 |
| + bkeys (~Thunderbi@66.115.189.236) | 23:09 | |
| bluerise | mntmn: Radxa says the RK3588 is too big for the Compute Module, but the RK3588S will fit and I guess they'll make a 'CM5'. The 'S' version has no PCIe 3.0, but at least PCIe 2.1, so that should be fine. ;) | 23:16 |
| mntmn | cool! | 23:17 |
| bluerise | While the CM4 pinout isn't great, I'm happy that it brings some kind of ecosystem | 23:17 |
| mntmn | absolutely | 23:27 |
| kfx | rockchip stuff never gets mainlined and support is always painful :/ | 23:30 |
| vagrantc | bluerise: looks like i didn't explicitly call "make flash.bin" ... | 23:33 |
| bluerise | vagrantc: you should do make flash.bin | 23:34 |
| bluerise | make should use BINMAN and that will generate flash.bin | 23:34 |
| bluerise | shit | 23:34 |
| bluerise | vagrantc: you should *not* do make flash.bin | 23:34 |
| bluerise | 'make flash.bin' was obsoleted through binman, 'make' is all that needs to be done and 'make flash.bin' can wreak more heavoc | 23:34 |
| vagrantc | bluerise: right, in this build i did not ... it just calls "make" | 23:35 |
| bluerise | make imx8mq_reform2_defconfig and make | 23:35 |
| vagrantc | yup | 23:36 |
| vagrantc | but all i get is the SPL line | 23:36 |
| bluerise | hm | 23:37 |
| bluerise | how big is your flash.bin? | 23:37 |
| bluerise | -rw-r--r-- 1 patrick wsrc 1104624 Jan 12 22:07 /home/code/u-boot/build/imx8mq_reform2/flash.bin | 23:38 |
| bluerise | dd if=flash.bin of=/dev/sdX bs=1024 seek=33 | 23:38 |
| bluerise | the last time you tested it, it worked :P | 23:38 |
| vagrantc | i know | 23:38 |
| vagrantc | in fact, i keep reverting to that version and it still works | 23:39 |
| vagrantc | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1074848 Jan 10 13:25 flash.bin | 23:40 |
| bluerise | https://github.com/bluerise/u-boot/commits/mntre | 23:42 |
| bluerise | try this branch? | 23:42 |
| + bibliocar (~EricShmar@195.82.99.14) | 23:46 | |
| pkill9 | so what do people do with their mnt reforms they can't do with a typical laptop? | 23:51 |
| kfx | buy batteries that fit from readily-available stock from competing merchants | 23:52 |
| kfx | use a built-in pointing device that was not designed for a gorilla | 23:53 |
| kfx | order replacement parts machined out of materials of my choice from a variety of third-party providers | 23:54 |
| mntmn | doing weird keyboard firmware hacks (more on that in a few weeks) | 23:56 |
| sigrid | get weird stares at coffee shops | 23:57 |
| ex-parrot | I use mine for my journalling | 23:57 |
| ex-parrot | running Linux From Scratch | 23:57 |
| ex-parrot | it's really nice to type on, distraction free, robust | 23:58 |
| ex-parrot | every time I use it I get to appreciate the beautiful minimalist techno aesthetic :) | 23:58 |
| ex-parrot | it makes for really calm and meaningful computing time imo | 23:58 |
| sigrid | getting blank key caps from the start | 23:59 |
| ex-parrot | and I feel comfortable using it knowing it's going to last forever and I can repair and upgrade any part of it as I need to | 23:59 |
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