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| vkoskiv_ | Boostisbetter: Here's the image, I think: https://twitter.com/mntmn/status/1446890686352134157?s=20 | 03:19 |
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| vkoskiv_ | Oof, I left the ?s in. My bad. | 03:20 |
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| ruff | Linux reform 5.15.13+ #2 SMP PREEMPT Sun Jan 9 00:08:59 CET 2022 aarch64 GNU/Linux | 10:52 |
| ruff | everything looks ok so far | 10:52 |
| sigrid | any patching required? | 11:09 |
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| ruff | sigrid: yes, this is with rebased patches, but many of them are already applied in the main tree, not sure if remaining are crucial, but rebased them nevertheless | 12:25 |
| ruff | f.i. cadence mipi dsi is there, i just ported cec for hdmi (which is missing in the tree) | 12:27 |
| ruff | but cec is obviously optional. I'll commit the update repo into my copy and add a small article on the process | 12:29 |
| sigrid | nice, thanks! | 12:33 |
| sigrid | i was gonna rebase on latest today but glad to not repeat anything already done :) | 12:34 |
| josch | dammit, I rebased the patches a few days ago as well XD | 13:01 |
| josch | ruff: where are you hosting your git? | 13:01 |
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| ruff | josch: https://source.mnt.re/ruff/reform-system-image | 13:04 |
| josch | thanks! | 13:05 |
| ruff | josch: I saw your message but you mentioned you were using 5.16, and had problems with video out - so I decided will be prudent to redo from scratch | 13:11 |
| josch | ruff: yeah, it's great that you did it. I also didn't use the purism linux-next branch and my S1 still doesn't work so there was no way for me to debug my issues. | 13:14 |
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| dj-death | mntmn: situation for the keyboard backlight is a bit more complicated than expected | 14:15 |
| dj-death | mntmn: the Connect callback appears to be called as sson as I plug the keyboard into my laptop even if it's in suspend | 14:16 |
| mntmn | dj | 14:17 |
| mntmn | dj-death: sounds like the laptops usb host is active then? | 14:17 |
| dj-death | mntmn: I have to rely on ConfigurationChanged and check the Endpoint_IsEnabled() | 14:18 |
| mntmn | ah! | 14:18 |
| mntmn | makes sense | 14:18 |
| dj-death | but then that doesn't appear to work for when the laptop goes to suspend | 14:18 |
| dj-death | but I know nothing about USB, so I'm not surprised ;) | 14:19 |
| dj-death | mntmn: I've noticed that the brightness doesn't seem to be going up uniformly when you go to 0 | 14:19 |
| mntmn | maybe a strategy could be to look for if the computer is polling for reports or not | 14:20 |
| mntmn | hmm yeah i've noticed that too | 14:20 |
| dj-death | mntmn: like plug the keyboard, set brightness to 0, then increase the brightness and it'll not go back until the fourth increase at which point it appears to jump to brightness = ~4 | 14:21 |
| dj-death | yea, will dig more into that | 14:21 |
| dj-death | mntmn: do you think there is a limit to the number of times I can rewrite the firmware of the keyboard? | 14:28 |
| mntmn | dj-death: no, there is no limit you could manually reach | 14:32 |
| mntmn | i think :D | 14:33 |
| dj-death | EVICE_STATE_Suspended \o/ | 14:36 |
| mntmn | nice, is that a callback? | 14:36 |
| dj-death | a variable of the state | 14:41 |
| ruff | re brightness from 0 - yes yopu need to set at least to 6 to light up the leds, then you can go down to 3 to minimize it | 14:41 |
| ruff | I mean I don't know why but empirically came to this | 14:42 |
| ruff | while playing with suspend script at night :) | 14:42 |
| dj-death | it works :) | 14:44 |
| dj-death | okay, I guess I can implement a small workaround for that | 14:45 |
| dj-death | nah it's something else :( | 14:50 |
| dj-death | or maybe I need the infamous sleep(5); | 14:50 |
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| pkill9 | hi, i have a few questions: is there currently work on creating SoM modules to upgrade in the future, or is this still just planned? and i forgot the second question | 15:26 |
| sknebel | multiple modules are being worked on | 15:26 |
| pkill9 | nice | 15:27 |
| pkill9 | is there a page listing them? | 15:27 |
| sknebel | not that I know of | 15:31 |
| dj-death | mmm | 15:31 |
| dj-death | time() doesn't seem to work :( | 15:32 |
| pkill9 | sknebel: what are the specifications of the moduels being worked on? | 15:33 |
| mntmn | pkill9: RKX7, which is an FPGA module (kintex-7); RCM4, which is an adapter for RPi CM4 and compatibles (like SOQuartz); LS1028A which is for NXP LS1028A with 8 or 16GB ram | 15:50 |
| mntmn | all of these are in some in-between state of almost working | 15:53 |
| mntmn | RKX7 boots linux on vexriscv with 1GB ram and has working HDMI and ethernet, and barely working USB (for keyboard), still fighting with getting the internal display to work | 15:54 |
| mntmn | LS1028A loads u-boot but has problems with DDR4 calibration | 15:55 |
| mntmn | RCM4 proto pcbs had the wrong thickness (duh) but otherwise works spectacularly well with a bunch of bodge wires | 15:55 |
| dj-death | mntmn: which one do you think will be the most powerful? LS1028A or RPi CM4 ? | 15:59 |
| bluerise | it's definitely helpful when all the hard logic is on the SoM | 15:59 |
| bluerise | for bringup | 15:59 |
| bluerise | dj-death: probably Rpi CM4, also because you can supply other CM4 SoMs (like SoQuartz, Radxa CM3) it's even easier to upgrade | 16:00 |
| bluerise | the thing though is that the CM4 itself is a bit limited | 16:00 |
| mntmn | dj-death: there are some tradeoffs. BCM2711 is def. the most powerful in terms of compute+GPU, but lacks USB3 out of the box, and only single PCIe | 16:01 |
| mntmn | dj-death: also, VC4 blobbery | 16:01 |
| bluerise | yeah, single USB2 and single PCIe | 16:01 |
| mntmn | a more involved rcm4 could be made with pcie switch and pcie-usb3 host | 16:02 |
| mntmn | might do that later | 16:02 |
| mntmn | but probably not on the first version because that would delay it a lot | 16:02 |
| bluerise | Yup | 16:02 |
| bluerise | PCIe switch sounds nice | 16:02 |
| mntmn | and these chips are kind of not very available atm | 16:02 |
| bluerise | especially because you have two PCIe slots on the motherboard | 16:02 |
| mntmn | yeah | 16:04 |
| bluerise | I7C9X2G404SL maybe? | 16:04 |
| bluerise | oops | 16:04 |
| bluerise | PI7C9X2G404SL | 16:04 |
| bluerise | At least that's what this one might use: https://github.com/TheGuyDanish/CM4_MATX | 16:04 |
| mntmn | bluerise: not at the moment at least https://octopart.com/search?q=PI7C9X2G404SL¤cy=USD&specs=0 | 16:05 |
| bluerise | ouch | 16:05 |
| bluerise | But it's ok, 1st version without a PCIe switch is fine | 16:05 |
| pkill9 | does anyone rely on the reform as their main computer? | 16:06 |
| pkill9 | I read most people have a separate main laptop and this this just for tinkering | 16:06 |
| ruff | to me MNTR2 works way faster than rpi4 but that is defintely periphery bcz when it is slow cpu is almost idle (lot of iowait but otherwise nothing) | 16:06 |
| mntmn | pkill9: i am using it right now in this moment as my only computer at home (next to a playstation 4 and fairphone 3+) | 16:07 |
| pkill9 | nice | 16:07 |
| mntmn | pkill9: but at work i use a intel i9 based pc | 16:07 |
| mntmn | ruff: yeah it really depends on the setup, most pi4 stuff is set up in a weird non-optimal way by default | 16:07 |
| pkill9 | mntmn: have you played hedgewars on the reform? | 16:08 |
| mntmn | also i haven't yet tried/compared nvme speed, was testing with emmc on cm4 which was a lot slower than the io speed on reform/imx8mq | 16:08 |
| bluerise | ruff: that's why I'd use a different CM4 module | 16:08 |
| mntmn | pkill9: no, i don't know what that is | 16:08 |
| pkill9 | hedgewars gets substandard FPS on a raspberry pi 3b+ | 16:08 |
| pkill9 | it's a FOSS worms-like game | 16:08 |
| mntmn | to get a smooth desktop experience with sway like on reform/imx8mq, i had to switch to the real kms driver on cm4 | 16:09 |
| mntmn | the fkms stuff was really messy and flickery and buggy | 16:09 |
| mntmn | i also overclocked to 2ghz | 16:09 |
| mntmn | and i used chromium 97 from snap as on reform/imx8mq | 16:10 |
| pkill9 | also what battery duration do you get with the reform? | 16:10 |
| dj-death | mntmn: thanks for the details | 16:10 |
| mntmn | pkill9: some people here have reported 5-6h, YMMV | 16:11 |
| dj-death | mntmn: are you interested in keyboard HW FW changes? | 16:11 |
| dj-death | s/HW// | 16:11 |
| dj-death | it's flagged only for the standalone version | 16:12 |
| dj-death | I need to update my laptop keyboard too btw... | 16:12 |
| mntmn | dj-death: sure, merge request to your heart's content | 16:12 |
| ruff | re battery - when i use it overnight it's like 3 hours active usage + 7-8 hours in suspend - in the morning I have ~20% battery | 16:13 |
| mntmn | ruff: ah cool you suspend overnight? | 16:14 |
| ruff | mntmn: yes, if leds aren't so bright I'd leave it on a night table, but with such lighthouse I need to put it away somewhere | 16:15 |
| mntmn | ah, sorry for that | 16:16 |
| ruff | Need to buy some smd pack and try to replace them with something bigger | 16:16 |
| mntmn | yeah | 16:16 |
| Boostisbetter | mntmn, I know it is the weekend, but any chance you saw my hinge request email? No pressure as usual, and no stress. | 16:37 |
| Boostisbetter | I'm the kind considerate fly that just wont die. | 16:37 |
| Boostisbetter | hahaha | 16:37 |
| mntmn | Boostisbetter: sorry, too much priority stuff atm | 16:49 |
| Boostisbetter | Mntmn, do you maybe know away I could order them myself without needing to order them in bulk? Like I would order maybe 5 sets. | 16:49 |
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| mntmn | Boostisbetter: i put it on my todo list to put these as spare parts in the shop | 17:02 |
| Boostisbetter | mntmn I appreciate it. My project is just waiting on the hinges. No pressure. | 17:06 |
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| technomancy | pkill9: I've been using it as my primary since the summer | 18:04 |
| technomancy | (but for my dayjob stuff I ssh into a thinkpad) | 18:04 |
| Boostisbetter | I am not using mine as a primary just yet. I'm still using a Framework laptop, my desktop workstation, BUT I have started taking the Reform with me to work. The standby situation has improved and it has made it possible to go a full 9-10 hour day without about 1-2 hours of actual use in there. | 18:46 |
| Boostisbetter | I guess I'm a sucker for the design of the laptop,and the way the Reform harkens back to an early Thinkpad really speaks to me. I love it. Also that the fact that the lid actually hugs the bottom case making it so that the lid is handling forces on it uniformly and it isn't just the hinges is a brillant design, that really improves the robustness of the whole thing. I feel like I can take the Ref | 18:48 |
| Boostisbetter | orm everywhere and worry about it breaking the least. | 18:48 |
| Boostisbetter | To clarify I am using my Framework laptop and my desktop workstation (2 computers) still. But I am continually impressed with just how much the Reform could be my only computer. | 18:49 |
| technomancy | I'm trying to get xwayland running on my reform agair | 18:53 |
| technomancy | *again with cage; running into a weird error "Direct scan-out disabled by software cursor". anyone know what a software cursor is or why it would be causing cage to refuse to launch? | 18:53 |
| ruff | technomancy: why don't you run it from sway? | 18:55 |
| technomancy | ruff: you want the long version or the short version? =) | 18:56 |
| technomancy | I don't like sway and I want to replace it with exwm, my preferred window manager, which runs under X | 18:56 |
| ruff | technomancy: let's start with short one :) | 18:56 |
| technomancy | I mean, I like sway fine, but it's missing critical features I've been using for ages under exwm and it's very difficult for me to adjust to the lack of them | 18:57 |
| ruff | technomancy: did you try running native Xorg then (I don't know if it even exists for entaviv) | 18:57 |
| Boostisbetter | good luck. I started off with i3, myself, and while it was great, Sway was always just way more stable and it surprisingly used less resources. When the people developing xorg basically jump ship and develop Wayland, you know Wayland is the future. | 18:57 |
| technomancy | Boostisbetter: exwm lets me remap keys so that I can use emacs key bindings in every program, regardless of whether the program itself supports remapping. this feature is worth much more to me than anything wayland could offer, ever since firefox nerfed its extension system and broke all the key remapping software I was using | 18:58 |
| technomancy | I don't *need* xwayland; I need "firefox, but with customizeable key bindings" | 18:59 |
| Boostisbetter | that makes sense. | 18:59 |
| technomancy | it's just that exwm is the only way I've found to accomplish that | 18:59 |
| Boostisbetter | I would suggest just moving away from Firefox. That company has cared more about agenda than the tech for almost a decade now. | 18:59 |
| technomancy | haha | 18:59 |
| Boostisbetter | I don't want Chrome being the one horse pony anymore than anyone else | 19:00 |
| technomancy | the reason firefox sucks at this is specifically because it copied chrome's extension mechanism | 19:00 |
| Boostisbetter | but I don't see Mozilla as the company that is going to stop that anymroe | 19:00 |
| ruff | Boostisbetter: there's not much place to go tbh, chromium is not a choice really | 19:00 |
| technomancy | chrome is the source of the problem here | 19:00 |
| technomancy | all the other options (webkit-based keyboard-driven browsers) require running a browser which doesn't get security updates; that's just not gonna happen =) | 19:01 |
| ruff | webkit could become an option, I was using it quite widely till gnome updated to gtk4 while epiphany hung at gtk3 | 19:02 |
| technomancy | anyway at this point it looks like getting xwayland running is the path of least resistance, but a recent apt update made cage start breaking because of "software cursors" and I'm finding it difficult to determine what that even means | 19:02 |
| Boostisbetter | all I know is, there is a reason that everyone who starts making their own browser engine ends up using chromium. Mozilla is still making Firefox, because they don't want the well to dry up. That is all. Could the ship be righted and they start caring about the tech more, and leaving the agenda at home and for their personal lives, then maybe they could be a solution again. But as of right now, t | 19:02 |
| Boostisbetter | heir browser is the worst in nearly every metric. | 19:02 |
| Boostisbetter | still I am not trying to push anyone away from using it | 19:03 |
| Boostisbetter | those are just the reasons I uninstall it off the system as soon as I get a new one. | 19:03 |
| technomancy | Boostisbetter: I'm specifically complaining about the chrome webextension system | 19:03 |
| technomancy | it's awful, and the fact that firefox uses it sucks | 19:03 |
| technomancy | you don't have to convince me that Mozilla is making terrible choices; that much is obvious, but it's not relevant to this problem | 19:04 |
| Boostisbetter | technomancy, sure thing. | 19:04 |
| Boostisbetter | that all makes sense. | 19:05 |
| technomancy | I just want to be able to scroll down without opening seventeen new windows | 19:05 |
| technomancy | ruff: mnt-mn advised me not to look into native xorg; he seemed to think it would be a lot more work than fixing cage, but I'll admit I've been considering it anyway. I've never had problems like this on my xorg systems. | 19:07 |
| Boostisbetter | technomancy, I do feel your pain. I don't see a lot of forward development on ARM for Xorg, and it certianly can't be helping your case on aarch64 now. | 19:12 |
| Boostisbetter | I do wish you luck, and hope you can getting it working! | 19:12 |
| technomancy | I've had no trouble with this on pine64 or raspberry pi | 19:12 |
| technomancy | but I know raspi has a very different (and much worse) GPU situation | 19:12 |
| technomancy | thanks | 19:12 |
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| ruff | I think it's about this issue? https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/xorg/xserver/-/issues/941 | 19:21 |
| technomancy | I'm not seeing any corruption; it just refuses to launch | 19:23 |
| ruff | No i mean for native, not for xwayland | 19:23 |
| technomancy | well, native xorg also just refuses to launch =) | 19:24 |
| technomancy | this looks related but it also looks like a deep rabbit hole https://mntre.com/media/tech_notes_md/2018-11-19-using-modesetting-with-etnaviv.html | 19:27 |
| technomancy | (gives me "modeset(0): drmSetMaster failed: Device or resource busy" which doesn't sound super promising but I didn't really expect it to work) | 19:30 |
| pkill9 | how much extra CPU power could you get from a module attached via the CM4 adapter? | 19:33 |
| mntmn | pkill9: a bunch ;) will benchmark tomorrow | 19:33 |
| pkill9 | nice | 19:34 |
| pkill9 | if you can get substantial improvements maybe I will get this | 19:34 |
| mntmn | pkill9: here are gpu benchmarks https://twitter.com/mntmn/status/1479561966582738945?t=osKQZlbGoCc3Y9D8Q2kZ4w&s=19 | 19:36 |
| mntmn | pkill9: but see also the reply by lynxeye... we will yet see gpu perf increase on imx8mq | 19:36 |
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| Boostisbetter | so far, I've been VERY impressed with just capable the imx8 is in the Reform. | 20:19 |
| Boostisbetter | To think this performance is in the Librem 5 is kind of impressive as well. Although I imagine it will be much more real world thermal throttle (because you can't hold what is to hot to touch), and is missing a gig of RAM (only has 3). | 20:20 |
| Boostisbetter | *impressed with just HOW capable the imx8 is | 20:20 |
| + marcodiego (~marco@2804:d4b:b50f:9f00:c2f4:fa0b:cd0e:8021) | 20:21 | |
| mntmn | Boostisbetter: yeah i am pretty impressed by how much one can squeeze out of 4x A53 | 20:22 |
| mntmn | (being in-order processors) | 20:22 |
| ruff | and again comparing with rpi4 - i tended to think your company is having "Research" in it name for a reason. I.e. it's a briliant platform design which makes it all tick, not just a soc per se. | 20:26 |
| mntmn | thanks | 20:27 |
| mntmn | dj-death: just approved you @ source | 20:28 |
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| pkill9 | is anyone addigna trackpoint to the mnt reform keyboard? :) | 20:58 |
| mntmn | not that i know of | 20:59 |
| mntmn | dj-death: hey i figured out (read: copied from random internet page) how to jump to the usb bootloader in the keyboard... pushed to kbd-bitmaps branch | 21:00 |
| pkill9 | i guess trackball is probably enuogh | 21:01 |
| pkill9 | since it's probably easier to use with thumb, that way you don't leave home row | 21:01 |
| Boostisbetter | mntmn, what do you consider the true cpu performance upgrade? You are juggling quite a few new boards. I'm interested in more RAM of course, but am not sure I want to sacrifice 2 cpu cores for it. | 21:04 |
| mntmn | pkill9: yep. also we're developing a tiny version of the trackball | 21:05 |
| mntmn | Boostisbetter: right now i would say pi cm4... maybe rockchip in the future | 21:05 |
| mntmn | i still have hopes for big imx9... but idk when nxp will deliver | 21:05 |
| pkill9 | mntmn: is that for the pocket reform? | 21:05 |
| mntmn | pkill9: yep | 21:06 |
| pkill9 | how long until pokcet reform is avaialble? | 21:07 |
| Boostisbetter | pkill9, that is the question on many peoples minds. I believe the answer is very Valve like, when it is ready. There have been some glimpses of it on Twitter or Mastodon. He has also mentioned there will be an expensive and somewhat more affordable version. | 21:13 |
| mntmn | that is correct | 21:15 |
| mntmn | pocket reform motherboard is def. the next pcb design project on my list | 21:16 |
| mntmn | after ordering v2 of rcm4 | 21:16 |
| bluerise | \o/ | 21:16 |
| mntmn | first version of pocket reform motherboard will use the same cpu module "standard" as big reform | 21:17 |
| mntmn | lets see how far we can take that | 21:17 |
| mntmn | and charger will probably live on an extra pcb, not included on the motherboard, but i'm not yet 100% sure about it | 21:17 |
| mntmn | but charger IC is already evaluated | 21:18 |
| Boostisbetter | mntmn, so in theory we could just take the cpu module out of the Reform and use it in there? I wouldn't do that, but knowing that it is Reform performance in a much smaller package is VERY appealing. | 21:18 |
| mntmn | Boostisbetter: yep | 21:18 |
| mntmn | the idea is to be able to reuse parts | 21:18 |
| Boostisbetter | mntmn, sounds good on the charging bit. I don't mind that sort of thing for the luxury of a smaller device. | 21:19 |
| marcodiego | mntmn, is there any change of a rk3399-based upgrade option? | 21:19 |
| Boostisbetter | mntmn, I am leaving Germany this summer, due to work, and I hope I'm able to snag one before I leave. I'm not looking forward to dealing with CS. | 21:19 |
| mntmn | not sure about rk3399, the first rockchip in reform will be rk3566 | 21:20 |
| mntmn | via rcm4 + soquartz | 21:20 |
| sigrid | pkill9: i used thinkpads for trackpoint reason for a decade, but trackball feels better | 21:21 |
| sigrid | but that's just like my opinion | 21:21 |
| bluerise | rk3566 will be fine | 21:23 |
| technomancy | wait so if the whole point of cage is to be like ... a no-op WM, can't you just make sway do that with a minimal config file and have it pass-thru all input to xwayland inside it? | 21:23 |
| Boostisbetter | sigrid, I love the trackpoint, but have not been happy about the way Lenovo has been stripping the Thinkpad of everything important merely to increase profit margins. I still have all of my Thinkpads, and I'll hold onto them. But I'm very happy with the trackball. I use one on my desktop, and they are just nicer and more precise. The little mini trackball mntmn made for the Pocket Reform is even | 21:23 |
| Boostisbetter | more appealing. | 21:23 |
| mntmn | technomancy: yes, that's possible actually | 21:23 |
| mntmn | technomancy: maybe a better option for you indeed... sorry i didn't think about it earlier | 21:23 |
| technomancy | haha , no need to apologize. I'll give it a shot =) | 21:24 |
| mntmn | technomancy: also sway supports xkb mapping | 21:24 |
| mntmn | i.e. in my config i have > input "1003:8258:MNT_Reform_Keyboard" xkb_layout us-german-umlaut | 21:24 |
| technomancy | I looked into xkb a while back and I couldn't get it to support combos; just single keys being remapped | 21:24 |
| mntmn | ok | 21:24 |
| sigrid | Boostisbetter: yeah. also new lenovo models seem to have very mediocre trackpoints | 21:25 |
| mntmn | another cool thing is that sway can scale a whole output | 21:25 |
| mntmn | using the gpu | 21:25 |
| + doctorhoo (~hanno@194-18-252-127-no2005.tbcn.telia.com) | 21:25 | |
| mntmn | that's useful if you want to use something that software-renders but is slow when rendering directly to 1920x1080 | 21:25 |
| dj-death | mntmn: ah nice, just saw that :) | 21:30 |
| mntmn | Boostisbetter: btw i'm just trying wine-i386 through box86 | 21:34 |
| mntmn | Boostisbetter: twister OS has a download of the wine package https://twisteros.com/wine.tgz | 21:35 |
| mntmn | i was able to do box86 ./wine winecfg | 21:35 |
| mntmn | Boostisbetter: more info https://ptitseb.github.io/box86/X86WINE.html | 21:39 |
| - GNUmoon (QUIT: Ping timeout: 276 seconds) (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) | 21:40 | |
| - doctorhoo (QUIT: Ping timeout: 256 seconds) (~hanno@194-18-252-127-no2005.tbcn.telia.com) | 21:41 | |
| * Guest2736 -> nsc | 21:45 | |
| * nsc -> Guest5699 | 21:46 | |
| mntmn | Boostisbetter: https://twitter.com/mntmn/status/1480286754804572160?s=20 | 22:14 |
| Boostisbetter | That's hot! Thanks for sharing! | 22:40 |
| + ephase (~ephase@2a01:e0a:168:1211::885) | 22:44 | |
| swivel | mntmn: how is the interactivity on that? | 22:51 |
| mntmn | swivel: photoshop speed was ok! usable | 22:51 |
| mntmn | but the installation messed itself up somehow, i wanted to test with an X window manager (instead of sway directly) but it wouldn't run a second time | 22:52 |
| mntmn | with sway there was a glitch where the toolbars of photoshop would always jump to the center of the screen on mouseover | 22:52 |
| mntmn | ah oh https://www.codeweavers.com/compatibility/crossover/tips/adobe-photoshop-cs2/unable-to-continue-because-of-a-hardware-or-system-error-sorry-but-this-error-is-unrecoverable | 22:53 |
| mntmn | lol so it's a bug in cs2 | 22:54 |
| mntmn | yeah now it works fine | 23:01 |
| mntmn | it's kind of incredible how well this works | 23:01 |
| technomancy | that's the final non-subscription version of photoshop? | 23:04 |
| mntmn | yep | 23:04 |
| mntmn | the one they offered for free | 23:04 |
| technomancy | oh wow, I had no idea there was ever a gratis version of photoshop. wild. | 23:05 |
| + GNUmoon (~GNUmoon@gateway/tor-sasl/gnumoon) | 23:06 | |
| mntmn | yep | 23:07 |
| + Guest43 (~Guest43@107-131-130-208.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net) | 23:12 | |
| mntmn | excel 97 https://twitter.com/mntmn/status/1480301308989120513?s=20 | 23:13 |
| - ephase (QUIT: Ping timeout: 240 seconds) (~ephase@2a01:e0a:168:1211::885) | 23:15 | |
| Guest43 | hey is this the irc for mastadon? | 23:15 |
| kfx | now hit F5, type in L97:X97, hit enter, hit tab, hold ctrl and shift and click the chart wizard in the toolbar | 23:16 |
| kfx | that useless excel 97 trivia will never exit by stupid brain | 23:16 |
| kfx | Guest43: this is the irc channel for the MNT Reform laptop | 23:16 |
| - ruff (QUIT: Ping timeout: 256 seconds) (~ruff@ip-78-45-99-112.net.upcbroadband.cz) | 23:16 | |
| mntmn | Guest43: no, this is the IRC for the MNT Reform project | 23:16 |
| mntmn | ah kfx already said it, sorry | 23:17 |
| Guest43 | ugh im trying to install mastadon idk how to do it | 23:17 |
| + ephase (~ephase@37.165.78.83) | 23:17 | |
| kfx | Guest43: I don't think they have an official irc channel; if you have a github account you might ask on their forum: https://github.com/mastodon/mastodon/discussions | 23:20 |
| mntmn | actually there is one | 23:20 |
| mntmn | Guest43: /join #mastodon | 23:20 |
| kfx | good news, there! | 23:20 |
| Guest43 | really good news, i was beginning to lose hope. thank you so much mntmn | 23:21 |
| - ephase (QUIT: Ping timeout: 256 seconds) (~ephase@37.165.78.83) | 23:27 | |
| + ephase (~ephase@2a01:e0a:168:1211::885) | 23:28 | |
| - vagrantc (QUIT: Quit: leaving) (~vagrant@2600:3c01:e000:21:21:21:0:100e) | 23:28 | |
| + bibliocar (~g@195.82.99.14) | 23:32 | |
| bibliocar | looking at symbiflow, i had no idea kintex-7 or fpgas had any sort of support from the open source toolchain. I was still looking at ice40 chips. I still don't know how complete that support is, but it just sort of blew my mind the development that's been going on. | 23:35 |
| bibliocar | fpgas of that power | 23:35 |
| bibliocar | I've been going wild, but mostly reading textbooks on topics I want to work on, no actual work yet. I'm just hyped at having access to this laptop, it's motivating me to work on programming projects like nothing else. | 23:37 |
| - Guest43 (PART: !!unknown attribute: msg!!) (~Guest43@107-131-130-208.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net) | 23:37 | |
| bibliocar | Just wanted to say thanks you for making it. Sheesh, looking at the hiccups that come up during the a process, I don't envy you in the slightest. Social anxiety and all that... | 23:39 |
| bibliocar | I have a long todo list to accomplish before touching any verilog, so I'm not a likely customer for the kintex board any time soon, but I'm excited to see it. | 23:41 |
| - mjw (QUIT: Quit: Leaving) (~mark@gnu.wildebeest.org) | 23:43 | |
| + natalie (~natalie@user/natalie) | 23:54 | |
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