| doctorhoo | I just ran into the issue where the waybar doesn't start after an update of libspdlog1 (already documented in the forum). I unfortunately missed pinning the package and have not been able to downgrade either. However, using the waybar packaged by debian worked. What is the reason for using the one in /usr/local/bin by default and how does it differ from the packaged one? | 00:00 |
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| josch | doctorhoo: see https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-system-image/-/issues/15#note_1591 | 00:05 |
| + ephase (~ephase@2a01:e0a:168:1211::885) | 00:15 | |
| ephase | hi | 00:15 |
| doctorhoo | josch: thanks for the link, that sounds promising! | 00:18 |
| - doctorhoo (QUIT: Ping timeout: 256 seconds) (~hanno@194-18-252-127-no2005.tbcn.telia.com) | 00:23 | |
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| - mtm (QUIT: Ping timeout: 240 seconds) (~mtm@c-73-27-62-116.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) | 01:02 | |
| ephase | Good night | 01:07 |
| - ephase (QUIT: Quit: WeeChat 3.3) (~ephase@2a01:e0a:168:1211::885) | 01:07 | |
| + vagrantc (~vagrant@2600:3c01:e000:21:21:21:0:100f) | 01:08 | |
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| + vagrantc (~vagrant@2600:3c01:e000:21:21:21:0:100e) | 01:47 | |
| + freakazoid343 (~matt@2603:9000:cf0f:80e3:84c7:1d9d:a147:dc45) | 02:02 | |
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| + erlehmann (~erle@213.61.66.66) | 02:53 | |
| + mtm (~mtm@c-73-27-62-116.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) | 03:09 | |
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| + nsc (~nicolas@i5C744707.versanet.de) | 03:19 | |
| * nsc -> Guest8587 | 03:19 | |
| + sl (~sl@beastie.sdf.org) | 03:52 | |
| sl | hello | 03:52 |
| sl | having some trouble with sound and alsamixer | 03:53 |
| sl | there is no wm8960-audio listed on my system, only (default). | 03:53 |
| sl | and master is already cranked to 100 | 03:53 |
| sl | i got some (very quiet) audio out of the speakers yesterday, but today nothing | 03:53 |
| sl | i did notice: | 03:54 |
| sl | sl@reform:~$ dmesg | grep 8960 [ 3.613559] wm8960 2-001a: Failed to issue reset | 03:54 |
| sl | i haven't used linux regularly since before modern audio, so i'm a bit lost | 03:56 |
| sl | 42 | 05:41 |
| - sl (QUIT: Quit: leaving) (~sl@beastie.sdf.org) | 05:41 | |
| + freakazoid12345 (~matt@2603:9000:cf0f:80e3:84c7:1d9d:a147:dc45) | 07:57 | |
| - freakazoid343 (QUIT: Ping timeout: 240 seconds) (~matt@2603:9000:cf0f:80e3:84c7:1d9d:a147:dc45) | 07:59 | |
| - natalie (QUIT: Read error: Connection reset by peer) (~natalie@user/natalie) | 08:58 | |
| - vagrantc (QUIT: Quit: leaving) (~vagrant@2600:3c01:e000:21:21:21:0:100e) | 10:18 | |
| + chomwitt (~chomwitt@2a02:587:dc1e:c100:12c3:7bff:fe6d:d374) | 11:06 | |
| + boosterfive (~boosterfi@p5dedf5a5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) | 11:40 | |
| boosterfive | folks, has a method for updating already been discussed? I know that simply apt update && apt upgrade are not encouraged right now, but I'm wondering how will upgrading be announced or handled? | 11:42 |
| boosterfive | Will there be a post on the forum saying that it is save to upgrade, etc? | 11:42 |
| josch | boosterfive: i'm working on a way to allow safe upgrades by introducing a reform-base package which is Protected:yes and depends on the custom-build packages | 11:48 |
| josch | boosterfive: the other thing that will fix this is that I don't think we need to custom-compile anything into /usr/local anymore | 11:48 |
| josch | many packages have since been uploaded to Debian and I uploaded the ones that are not yet to NEW | 11:49 |
| mntmn | yep, and there will be a script to clean this up | 11:49 |
| josch | erlehmann: you were interested in producing bit-by-bit reproducible images -- you might be interested in https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-system-image/-/merge_requests/30 | 11:50 |
| erlehmann | thx josch | 11:51 |
| mntmn | also i need to get the CI server going again | 11:51 |
| erlehmann | josch any idea how to handle OGLES with debian irrlicht to get rendering performance boosts? minetest can use OGLES but i think debian irrlicht does not offer it. | 11:53 |
| josch | erlehmann: nope, I never looked into that | 11:55 |
| erlehmann | similar questions apply for chromium ig | 11:55 |
| - freakazoid12345 (QUIT: Read error: Connection reset by peer) (~matt@2603:9000:cf0f:80e3:84c7:1d9d:a147:dc45) | 11:58 | |
| boosterfive | most excellent! SO I guess when that is all ready and the script for clean up as well, there will be a post on the forums about it? | 11:58 |
| + freakazoid12345 (~matt@2603:9000:cf0f:80e3:84c7:1d9d:a147:dc45) | 11:59 | |
| josch | erlehmann: the last big (100 posts) discussion about whether to build with opengl or opengles was here: http://lists.debian.org/20181122183729.GA13435@mitya57.me | 11:59 |
| mntmn | boosterfive: yes | 12:01 |
| erlehmann | josch i find it unwise to make such a choice for all users. why not have a package for opengl and one for opengles? | 12:02 |
| josch | erlehmann: because it's complicated -- details are in that thread | 12:02 |
| erlehmann | i may read it after several hours of napping | 12:04 |
| erlehmann | life protip: you miss 100% of the naps you do not take! | 12:04 |
| erlehmann | thanks for pointing me to that! | 12:04 |
| josch | better take a long nap -- that thread is quite heavy ^^ | 12:04 |
| boosterfive | does anyone know if it is possible to hide the waybar and only expose it when pushing something like Alt? Currently I have a binding that effectively kills the waybar, and when you push it again it fires it back up. Seems a little gorilla. I know in i3 you can auto hide the bar and have it exposed when the key you assign to it is down. This was | 12:08 |
| boosterfive | great for making it useful without taking up screen real estate all the time. | 12:08 |
| boosterfive | I see that this functionality may be getting finally merged to waybar, but as of right now, it doesn't seem technically possible. | 12:12 |
| boosterfive | I only ask because recently I have had system instability introduced when redrawing the warbar on the screen. | 12:13 |
| kfx | that will be in the next release https://github.com/Alexays/Waybar/pull/1244 | 12:13 |
| kfx | related issue at https://github.com/Alexays/Waybar/issues/255 | 12:14 |
| boosterfive | Most excellent. I love Sway! | 12:18 |
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| + boosterfive (~committed@p5dedf5a5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) | 12:35 | |
| - lexik (QUIT: Quit: Bella ciao.) (~lexik@171.25.222.230) | 13:00 | |
| + lexik (~lexik@171.25.222.230) | 13:02 | |
| - mtm (QUIT: Ping timeout: 268 seconds) (~mtm@c-73-27-62-116.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) | 13:04 | |
| + Christoph_ (~Christoph@p54bf62fd.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) | 13:04 | |
| mntmn | oh that's so nice @ waybar ipc | 13:14 |
| mntmn | i just had a 1 hour call with screensharing (sharing the chromium window) using talky.io on my reform. i used a phone headset with the TRRS jack. | 13:15 |
| mntmn | but i had some trouble getting started because apt upgrade had nuked /usr/share/pulseaudio/alsa-mixer/profile-sets/default.conf | 13:15 |
| mntmn | which killed microphone input | 13:15 |
| mntmn | that's another wart i need to fix | 13:16 |
| mntmn | pulseaudio is not able to deal with wm8960 correctly to do mono input + stereo output by default... it wants to do stereo input which is not technically correct and which mutes the mic | 13:16 |
| mntmn | my hope is we can migrate to pipewire and that it'll do that correctly out of the box | 13:17 |
| + bkeys (~Thunderbi@66.115.189.236) | 13:51 | |
| + mtm (~mtm@c-73-27-62-116.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) | 15:09 | |
| - boosterfive (QUIT: Quit: Leaving) (~committed@p5dedf5a5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) | 15:57 | |
| + Boostisbetter (4a410829d7@irc.cheogram.com) | 16:00 | |
| Boostisbetter | Oh wow, I just got IRC working over XMPP. Super nice. This is Boosterfive / 2disbetter. | 16:01 |
| + boosterfive (~boosterfi@p5dedf5a5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) | 16:05 | |
| boosterfive | mntmn: really cool about the audio call you made through the reform | 16:06 |
| Boostisbetter | mntmn: I just was testing if this was indeed working through Dino and Conversations, and it appears that it really is. | 16:06 |
| Boostisbetter | My only concern with the way that waybar hides itself now is the overhead for killing and restarting it. Seems like an unnecessary way to handle it. I guess the benefit is that it is truly unloaded when hidden versus just not shown but taking up cpu cycles. Then again the work load from it must be minimal anyway. | 16:09 |
| - boosterfive (QUIT: Client Quit) (~boosterfi@p5dedf5a5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) | 16:09 | |
| Nulo | Have you (meaning mntmn ) checked out yambar? https://codeberg.org/dnkl/yambar | 17:04 |
| Nulo | It *focuses* on doing as few cycles as possible and it works pretty well, but it's not as customised as waybar | 17:06 |
| Boostisbetter | I have never heard of yambar, but sounds interesting. I'm pretty happy with waybar in general though. | 17:08 |
| Nulo | Yeah, I like both | 17:09 |
| Boostisbetter | I do wonder if the icon font pack you normally have to download is not available on arm64, because it seems like there are no icons on the Reforms waybar. | 17:09 |
| Nulo | AFAIK icon packs are just fonts (usually Font Awesome) which are noarch (= works in anything) | 17:09 |
| - bkeys (QUIT: Quit: With every step we take, danger will follow closely) (~Thunderbi@66.115.189.236) | 17:24 | |
| mntmn | Nulo: haven't seen it yet, thanks | 17:28 |
| + freakazoid343 (~matt@2603:9000:cf0f:80e3:84c7:1d9d:a147:dc45) | 17:39 | |
| - freakazoid12345 (QUIT: Ping timeout: 252 seconds) (~matt@2603:9000:cf0f:80e3:84c7:1d9d:a147:dc45) | 17:41 | |
| technomancy | I'd love to see pipewire up and running; pulse has given me a lot of trouble. | 18:00 |
| + ruff (~ruff@ip-78-45-99-112.net.upcbroadband.cz) | 18:20 | |
| Boostisbetter | What is the name to install the Awesome fonts again? | 18:22 |
| + freakazoid12345 (~matt@2603:9000:cf0f:80e3:84c7:1d9d:a147:dc45) | 18:27 | |
| - freakazoid343 (QUIT: Ping timeout: 252 seconds) (~matt@2603:9000:cf0f:80e3:84c7:1d9d:a147:dc45) | 18:29 | |
| josch | Boostisbetter: you mean the Debian package name for font-awesome? | 18:31 |
| Boostisbetter | yes | 18:31 |
| josch | apt install fonts-font-awesome | 18:32 |
| Boostisbetter | Not sure it is the same for plain debian versus ubuntu | 18:32 |
| Boostisbetter | ok, so it is the exact same then | 18:32 |
| Boostisbetter | and is already installed. | 18:33 |
| Boostisbetter | so after having the Reform for a little over 2 weeks now, I have to say the following things: | 18:40 |
| Boostisbetter | 1 - I am impressed with the battery live. I can get about 10-11 hours out of it, with 5 workspaces and 6 programs running (1 is a browser with 17 tabs open) | 18:40 |
| Boostisbetter | 2 - the build quality is really on point. When the video on the Reform says it was made to last, the evidence shows that it really is. | 18:40 |
| Boostisbetter | 3 - I really look forward to the Reform Mini | 18:40 |
| Boostisbetter | 4 - I really look forward to the SBC upgrade that brings with it an increase in RAM. I see that as the only real limiting factor of the platform as it is now. However, because of the way it was designed this isn't a long term issue. | 18:40 |
| Boostisbetter | mntmn, do you know roughly when the mini trackball you've developed for the mini might be available? | 18:45 |
| mntmn | not soon | 18:46 |
| Boostisbetter | mntmn, I also was wondering if I wanted to change the orientation of the trackball without writing any of the firmware | 18:46 |
| Boostisbetter | can I just rotate the sensor 90 degrees | 18:46 |
| Boostisbetter | say if I need to mount the trackball longwise up? | 18:46 |
| Boostisbetter | mntmn, that was to be expected regarding the timeline, so now worries or stress there. | 18:47 |
| josch | ACTION heartily agrees concerning the build quality -- the reform already survived multiple encounters with a 10 month old baby | 18:49 |
| ruff | hi all, qq - is there a way to speak to LPC from OS? UART2 seems the be RO by design (and even that is disabled) | 18:53 |
| ruff | I can technically make some calls via KBD (eg. PWR commands, or enable LPC monitor) but wonder if there's some direct shortcut | 18:58 |
| + doctorhoo (~hanno@194-18-252-127-no2005.tbcn.telia.com) | 19:37 | |
| - freakazoid12345 (QUIT: Ping timeout: 260 seconds) (~matt@2603:9000:cf0f:80e3:84c7:1d9d:a147:dc45) | 19:52 | |
| + freakazoid333 (~matt@2603:9000:cf0f:80e3:9d24:9bfb:8b51:1f68) | 19:54 | |
| + freakazoid343 (~matt@2603:9000:cf0f:80e3:1101:50ed:e963:859c) | 19:58 | |
| - freakazoid333 (QUIT: Ping timeout: 240 seconds) (~matt@2603:9000:cf0f:80e3:9d24:9bfb:8b51:1f68) | 20:00 | |
| Boostisbetter | ruff, are you the same ruff that is over on the Purism forums? | 20:01 |
| - freakazoid343 (QUIT: Ping timeout: 250 seconds) (~matt@2603:9000:cf0f:80e3:1101:50ed:e963:859c) | 20:04 | |
| ruff | Boostisbetter, yes, that's me | 20:25 |
| + freakazoid333 (~matt@2603:9000:cf0f:80e3:35a5:cdbb:fbae:58c2) | 20:46 | |
| Boostisbetter | small world! Actually were you the one that first mentioned the Reform to me? | 20:48 |
| - freakazoid333 (QUIT: Remote host closed the connection) (~matt@2603:9000:cf0f:80e3:35a5:cdbb:fbae:58c2) | 20:48 | |
| + freakazoid333 (~matt@2603:9000:cf0f:80e3:35a5:cdbb:fbae:58c2) | 20:49 | |
| josch | Is anybody actually using blender on the reform? My patch to build blender 2.79 on current Debian unstable is already more than 400 lines long and it's still not compiling due to newer GCC and Python versions... | 20:54 |
| - freakazoid333 (QUIT: Ping timeout: 245 seconds) (~matt@2603:9000:cf0f:80e3:35a5:cdbb:fbae:58c2) | 20:54 | |
| ruff | Boostisbetter, Not sure if I was the first but I definitely have been promoting MNT and Reform on the forum (as an example of how such projects should be driven) | 20:55 |
| ruff | Boostisbetter, and now as a happy owner I do agree with your points above, this small beast is actually becoming my daily driver (I wasn't opening my dell for already second day) | 21:00 |
| Boostisbetter | Yeah seriously. I got a slew of computers over here. I have a Librem 13 v2 that was marketed in much the same way as the Reform, but I've been pretty dissappointed. | 21:02 |
| Boostisbetter | I know they are trying but I'm not willing to the test bed. | 21:02 |
| Boostisbetter | I have a Framework laptop now that I am using to make my own ultra portable PC | 21:02 |
| Boostisbetter | But I find myself using the Reform most of the day. It is just impressive what all I can do on 4gb of RAM. | 21:03 |
| - doctorhoo (QUIT: Ping timeout: 256 seconds) (~hanno@194-18-252-127-no2005.tbcn.telia.com) | 21:03 | |
| + vagrantc (~vagrant@2600:3c01:e000:21:21:21:0:100e) | 21:09 | |
| + bkeys (~Thunderbi@66.115.189.236) | 21:11 | |
| Boostisbetter | so to gush for no particular reason about the joy of a IRC gateway, is that I can be connected from mutable clients. Glad I finally found out about this. It makes it possible for me to connect to a bunch of IRC channels much easier. | 21:50 |
| mntmn | yep! | 21:54 |
| mntmn | josch: oh that sounds like a headache | 21:55 |
| mntmn | josch: maybe it's easier to build with an older gcc? | 21:55 |
| Boostisbetter | josch, sorry I'm not using it, but I suppose I could try it real quick | 22:10 |
| ruff | mntmn: do you have a tool to speak to HID devices (kbd/trackball)? I created one using hidapi but now I vaguely remember you've been speaking once about enabling uart2 | 22:19 |
| + freakazoid333 (~matt@2603-9000-cf0f-80e3-2540-986a-eb00-0eed.inf6.spectrum.com) | 22:43 | |
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