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| flowy | liquorice: someone posted a potential solution to your issue in the forum. or maybe that was you :D | 15:19 |
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| liquorice | Oh hey, I’ll check it out! Thanks for all the other responses on here as well, I was planning on getting to it this weekend since I’ve been slammed with work | 15:21 |
| flowy | https://community.mnt.re/t/solution-for-update-that-breaks-graphical-desktops/615 | 15:22 |
| liquorice | Looks like a super easy fix, that’s awesome | 15:23 |
| flowy | as for building the reform-system-image, it breaks frequently due to how many moving targets there are. i successfully built it in late september but recently attempted again and spotted some new issues that i'm too impatient to resolve | 15:24 |
| liquorice | So it was the autoremove that did me in. Is there a way to mark certain packages in apt as “essential” in a local config? I’m sure I can find it in the apt docs | 15:25 |
| flowy | prob yeah! | 15:26 |
| flowy | i know from my last attempt with reform-system-image that the wayvnc target needed to be changed to head | 15:28 |
| flowy | and now there's some problem building xserver something something, perhaps it can just be skipped | 15:29 |
| liquorice | apt-mark manual will keep something from being autoremoved | 15:29 |
| liquorice | Or apt-mark hold. But that’ll also keep it from being updated | 15:30 |
| flowy | after months of trying to wrangle the best perforrmance out of chromium on the reform, today this news around chrome's upcoming manifest v3 dropped, and i think i'm just ready to drop chromium. sad | 15:37 |
| flowy | unless anything changes, it sounds like ublock origin will not function near as well as it currently does due to new extension API restrictions | 15:37 |
| liquorice | I was wondering about browser performance. I’ve been playing around with Firefox and Vivaldi and Firefox. It seems like most people are tweaking Firefox? | 15:41 |
| flowy | mntmn: also on a related note you should probably remove chromium from the next system image. it's officially deprecated/abandoned and is vulnerable to a growing pile of bad CVEs | 15:42 |
| flowy | the debian package, that is | 15:42 |
| flowy | liquorice: i found chromium held a slight edge myself. i'm now switching to firefox due to these issues, but have little experience | 15:43 |
| flowy | well it was more than a slight edge so i'm sad | 15:44 |
| flowy | i guess i'll keep it installed with flatpak | 15:45 |
| erlehmann | <flowy> as for building the reform-system-image, it breaks frequently due to how many moving targets there are. i successfully built it in late september but recently attempted again and spotted some new issues that i'm too impatient to resolve | 15:50 |
| erlehmann | is the image not reproducible? | 15:50 |
| erlehmann | i heard about manifest v3 too, what a sad development | 15:50 |
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| flowy | erlehmann: not all components are pinned. and byte for byte reproducibility would be really difficult, i don't think debian is quite there yet | 15:57 |
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| flowy | the reform-system-image scripts could be better for sure but i wouldn't put it on lucas to keep doing that work long term. and i guess we're all waiting for more things to be mainlined? | 16:01 |
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| mntmn | flowy: hmm i see. i will maybe make a helper script so that people can install the snap version if they want, it's much faster than the debian version anyway | 16:11 |
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| flowy | yeah that would probably be appreciated. i really think it's a good idea... there's a proposal to remove the official debian package. i finally looked at some of the CVEs and it's certainly pretty bad | 16:24 |
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| kfx | it's pretty simple to get accelerated video working on firefox, at least on alpine edge. I should go back and test on debian I guess | 17:21 |
| mntmn | kfx: ok? | 17:26 |
| kfx | just as an alternative to the chrome family of browsers, I mean | 17:26 |
| josch | liquorice: you can use pkgCacheGen::ForceEssential to supply a list of packages to apt that it should treat as essential:yes | 17:28 |
| josch | erlehmann: I think the image creation script can be made reproducible -- i already have a proof of concept locally and need to find the time to file a MR | 17:29 |
| josch | (and somebody else to test it because i don't have my reform yet) | 17:37 |
| flowy | kfx: oh that's nice. does youtube work at 1080p? | 17:46 |
| flowy | kfx: what's your experience of installing/using alpine on reform, generally? i don't really know of it | 17:49 |
| kfx | flowy: I just tested, seems fine | 18:00 |
| kfx | I've used alpine extensively before, so I'm accustomed to it. I'm booting the stock reform kernel and reform-init script, I just put alpine on the nvme, so when it chroots there and runs init it runs alpine's init | 18:02 |
| kfx | from there it was just a matter of making sure all the wayland dependencies worked and the right environment variables present | 18:02 |
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