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| kfx | I've got Alpine fully functional at this point, and it even wakes from standby about two thirds of the time! | 00:10 |
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| technomancy | I've been on sid since I got my reform but it kinda makes me nervous; is there a way to switch to something less volatile but still get the necessary reform-specific packages? | 01:51 |
| mntmn | technomancy: soon! | 01:52 |
| technomancy | great; will keep an eye out =) | 01:53 |
| technomancy | I haven't actually run into problems with sid; just nervous from like a decade ago when I tried it and got burned by some glibc bump or something | 01:53 |
| bkeys | mntmn: Did you ever figure out why CS moved the shipping date to March? | 01:54 |
| mntmn | bkeys: i think it might be for new or very recent orders | 01:54 |
| mntmn | they did not communicate with me about it | 01:54 |
| mntmn | pretty soon we'll hopefully ship around 100 laptops to them so that should clear more than half the backlog | 01:55 |
| mntmn | depending on how long mouser still takes with telling us yep, you can send the things now | 01:56 |
| mntmn | also we negotiated to use mouser's ups rates for this because then it will not totally bankrupt us (only a bit) | 01:56 |
| mntmn | the biggest headache is airfreight regulations that say you can have max 5kg net weight in a package with devices with lithium batteries | 01:57 |
| bkeys | Yeah that makes sense, would it make your life easier to offer an option without the batteries? (since you can get 18650 batteries from anywhere)? | 01:58 |
| ex-parrot | it's not that easy to get the lifpo4s though | 01:59 |
| ex-parrot | e.g. here I still don;t have a good supplier | 01:59 |
| bkeys | I see | 01:59 |
| ex-parrot | not necessarily that easy, anyway | 02:00 |
| mntmn | yeah, it depends | 02:59 |
| vkoskiv | re: financials - What's the best way to support MNT beyond buying the laptop? | 02:59 |
| vkoskiv | swag? :D | 03:00 |
| mntmn | vkoskiv: perhaps the keyboards we offer on shop.mntmn.com ^^ but we'll come up with some donation thing && some useful merch also | 03:02 |
| vkoskiv | Neat, I'll keep an eye out for that. Currently I'm thinking of getting a sleeve, since I didn't get one when ordering the laptop | 03:06 |
| mntmn | ah yeah. | 03:13 |
| mntmn | ok it's 3am here, good night everyone | 03:13 |
| ex-parrot | cya mntmn | 03:13 |
| vkoskiv | Night! | 03:13 |
| ex-parrot | put me down for a hoodie :) | 03:13 |
| ex-parrot | at some point | 03:13 |
| vkoskiv | (We have the day off monday for independence day, so I'm staying up late 8)) | 03:13 |
| vkoskiv | yeah pretty much all mnt swag will be nice I bet. I really like the logo design | 03:14 |
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| * Boosterfive -> _2disbetter | 12:08 | |
| _2disbetter | So CS supply issues aside, are orders from MNT direct being affected by this issue? Should we be seeing shipping notifications shortly? I'm not pushy just like to know if a delay is to be expected. Thanks for all of the MNT team's work and efforts. It is greatly appreciated! | 12:09 |
| - S0rin (QUIT: Ping timeout: 265 seconds) (~S0rin@user/s0rin) | 12:14 | |
| _2disbetter | I'm actually in the process of designing my own UMPC using the Framework Laptop's mainboard, and am in the process of modeling the enclosure, and I know first hand just how difficult ever facet of creating anything, but especially a computing device. | 12:14 |
| _2disbetter | I really think the MNT is something special, and I'm just excited to get it and get it all setup! | 12:15 |
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| + S0rin (~S0rin@user/s0rin) | 12:18 | |
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| + S0rin (~S0rin@user/s0rin) | 12:34 | |
| + dustfinger (~user@d75-159-231-192.abhsia.telus.net) | 13:01 | |
| dustfinger | Is there an estimated shipment date for orders placed in August of this year? | 13:02 |
| - S0rin (QUIT: Ping timeout: 265 seconds) (~S0rin@user/s0rin) | 13:06 | |
| dustfinger | nm. I see on my order page that the Currently estimated to ship on Mar 18, 2022. It was originally estimated to ship on Dec 9th. Why did the schedule slip? I thought the last computer was assembled at the end of August. | 13:14 |
| + S0rin (~S0rin@user/s0rin) | 13:21 | |
| mntmn | dustfinger: hey, that was about the crowdfunded orders. those are all shipped to backers | 13:34 |
| mntmn | dustfinger: after june 18, 2020, the crowdsupply page turned into a "shop" page so those orders are fulfilled by crowdsupply/mouser, and we have to send them that stock. but the bureaucracy of setting us up with mouser logistics has been dragging on forever | 13:35 |
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| dustfinger | Thanks mntmn. I guess I should send my query to crowdsupply then. | 14:09 |
| mntmn | yep | 14:10 |
| mntmn | i assure you we're doing everything to speed up the process | 14:10 |
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| dustfinger | Thank you mntmn | 15:27 |
| + S0rin (~S0rin@user/s0rin) | 15:31 | |
| dustfinger | mntmn: So does crowdsupply have the stock, or do you still have to send them the stock? | 15:32 |
| vkoskiv | They just figured out the shipment details a few days ago, so I'd imagine the stock is not at CS yet | 15:33 |
| mntmn | dustfinger: they do not have stock. we have all the stock. we don't have the green light to send it to them yet. | 15:34 |
| vkoskiv | Can't imagine how frustrating that must be :D | 15:34 |
| bkeys | So I imagine the BMC on the reform shows the battery level; is the OS aware of the battery level at all? | 15:39 |
| mntmn | vkoskiv: i just completed one more task (a restocking table for mouser) on the way towards that goal. | 15:41 |
| mntmn | bkeys: not yet, but it can be, via internal uart 2 (there's some stuff about that somewhere in community) | 15:41 |
| dustfinger | Thanks mntmn | 15:42 |
| bkeys | mntmn: Does it make your life any easier if we order direct from mntmn.com (I am from the US) | 15:42 |
| mntmn | bkeys: not really | 15:44 |
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| + S0rin (~S0rin@user/s0rin) | 15:55 | |
| dustfinger | I never ordered a wireless network card with my reform because there were none available in stock at the time. If I order today, will it likely ship with the rest of my order? Would I be better off buying a compatible wirless network card elsewhere? If so, what do I need to search for to make sure I get a compatible wireless network card? | 16:02 |
| mntmn | we just bought 200 wifi cards to ship to mouser/cs, so i would say yes on your first Q | 16:11 |
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| dustfinger | mntmn thanks! | 16:42 |
| + S0rin (~S0rin@user/s0rin) | 17:06 | |
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| + S0rin (~S0rin@user/s0rin) | 17:23 | |
| chartreuse | dustfinger: Any minipcie wireless card is likely compatible, though ath9k based n cards are recommended as they're blob free with an open source driver. For my reform I got a used Airport Extreme N internal card which is ath9k based but has a 3x3 antenna setup instead | 17:27 |
| chartreuse | Combined with having a 3x3 router it lets me get up to 450mbit/s rather than 300mbit/s that a 2x2 wireless n setup is limited to | 17:28 |
| chartreuse | Wireless ac is probably an option too though minipcie is less popular for those, but I don't know if any are blob free | 17:29 |
| - S0rin (QUIT: Ping timeout: 265 seconds) (~S0rin@user/s0rin) | 17:32 | |
| mntmn | there are also m.2->mpcie adapters, but haven't tested that in reform yet | 17:33 |
| + S0rin (~S0rin@user/s0rin) | 17:39 | |
| bluerise | I have one I use | 17:42 |
| bluerise | works for wifi | 17:43 |
| chartreuse | If you're alright with a firmware blob, Intel tends to be pretty good with having an open source driver for their wireless chipsets | 17:44 |
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| + S0rin (~S0rin@user/s0rin) | 17:47 | |
| bluerise | sigh, Peng still hasn't snet another patchset | 17:51 |
| bluerise | I'll just rework it so I don't depend on it | 17:51 |
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| patrick | There are no 802.11ac blob-free cards unfortunately. My vague recollection is that the ath5k/ath9k atheros cards lack a microprocessor, so all of the 802.11 logic is implemented by the host, with no need for firmware. Whereas these newer cards have a lot of that logic in the firmware itself. Half explaining why the blobs are so large, and half explaining why Candela had to sign an NDA with | 18:27 |
| patrick | Qualcom for the ath10k firmware source to implement virtual AP emulation. | 18:27 |
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| dustfinger | Thank you chartreuse! | 19:17 |
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| flowy | technomancy: some time ago you asked if anyone would contribute to a fixing-suspend bounty? i would :p | 20:26 |
| vkoskiv | I could do as well. For purely selfish reasons, I want it fixed :D | 20:27 |
| flowy | what other reason would there be | 20:27 |
| flowy | half joking | 20:27 |
| flowy | mntmn: also pinging you re: keyboard pcbs. in case they can be sold. | 20:28 |
| + S0rin (~S0rin@user/s0rin) | 20:29 | |
| mntmn | flowy: writing myself a reminder for offering boards/kits | 20:29 |
| flowy | cooool | 20:30 |
| flowy | a kit would be cool, then i can do a swap with the keyboard in my reform, put it to good use | 20:33 |
| flowy | put different switches on the kit pcb and put that in my reform | 20:33 |
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| + S0rin (~S0rin@user/s0rin) | 22:46 | |
| chartreuse | I'd probably consider that too on the keyboard, would be an option to try if I do like the white switches better or not. But I guess I could also just order it myself from JLCPCB or what not | 22:49 |
| technomancy | the white switches are really nice | 22:50 |
| chartreuse | I just would rather have two boards to swap though, I'm sure I'd like them but maybe sometimes the slightly quieter browns would be better | 22:50 |
| chartreuse | Though if I want quieter I can go back to my other laptop an x230 with x220 keyboard | 22:50 |
| technomancy | oh yeah removing the browns out of the stock board is really rough since they use lead-free solder | 22:51 |
| chartreuse | I do like linear switches, but these browns don't quite feel tactile, while also not feeling like a linear switch | 22:51 |
| technomancy | I replaced my left-click with a choc white and it doesn't quite sit perfectly the way it used to | 22:51 |
| chartreuse | Is there a linear version of these switches as well? | 22:51 |
| chartreuse | Ah fair, yeah getting the solder right after removing them would be annoying, you'd have to really clean both sides of the holes out | 22:52 |
| chartreuse | I'm not sure how to describe this right for searching, but is there a way on sway to make a window open on the workspace that it was spawned from even if I swap away before it fully opens? | 22:53 |
| chartreuse | Like I open up firefox on a different workspace, if I tab over here to check IRC before it launches it'll appear on this workspace | 22:54 |
| chartreuse | It'd be nice that if I spawn it from workplace 3 it opens on workplace 3 even if I tab (besides making it so firefox always appears on 3) | 22:54 |
| technomancy | god I forgot what a huge improvement choc white on the mouse is since taking it for granted after a wihle | 22:56 |
| technomancy | highly recommended | 22:56 |
| chartreuse | When the MNT was originally going to have an option of what switches you wanted I wasn't sure and might have went browns anyway since I was undecided | 22:56 |
| chartreuse | Whites seem like a nice option though so might give that a try at some point | 22:56 |
| technomancy | I think it's a reasonable default for the keyboard even if they're not my favorite | 22:57 |
| technomancy | but not the mouse =) | 22:57 |
| chartreuse | Okay there is a red linear which also might be something I like, or the lighter Pro red | 22:57 |
| chartreuse | Might need to grab a sample pack | 22:57 |
| chartreuse | I just like a very smooth switch, or a smooth but with a click | 22:57 |
| kfx | chartreuse: https://github.com/swaywm/sway/issues/3234 | 22:58 |
| chartreuse | Ah thanks, so it's an issue with it then | 22:59 |
| kfx | with the | swaymsg exec -- syntax it works with SOME programs, but anything that launches a child process escapes | 22:59 |
| ex-parrot | I don't suppose anyone has made progress in getting X working? | 22:59 |
| technomancy | ex-parrot: just Xwayland | 23:00 |
| chartreuse | I'll try that, though I don't know if firefox's GUI is in the parent or child process with its sandboxes | 23:00 |
| - S0rin (QUIT: Ping timeout: 240 seconds) (~S0rin@user/s0rin) | 23:00 | |
| + Boosterfive (~Boosterfi@pd9e6ff47.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) | 23:00 | |
| chartreuse | You can xwayland an entire x window manager if you want | 23:00 |
| chartreuse | It can be the root | 23:00 |
| technomancy | chartreuse: yeah that's what I do | 23:01 |
| technomancy | can't handle running a browser outside exwm | 23:01 |
| chartreuse | I've been honestly liking sway on here so I've been fine with being all wayland. Hasn't been an issue though | 23:01 |
| + S0rin (~S0rin@user/s0rin) | 23:01 | |
| Boosterfive | Sway is pretty excellent. I configured it on a Librem 13, and had it on the Framework for a while as well. I feel prepared for setting it up on the Reform when it arrives. | 23:01 |
| chartreuse | Fair yeah, especially if you want the vim shortcuts | 23:01 |
| chartreuse | I've configured mine mostly just by making it more a windows 9x looking swaybar :P | 23:02 |
| chartreuse | Grey with borders to make it look 3d | 23:02 |
| Boosterfive | Yeah, swaybar, is pretty configurable, and I like that. | 23:02 |
| technomancy | I wouldn't mind sway if firefox hadn't ditched the ability to rebind keys | 23:02 |
| ex-parrot | mm I've been trying sway but I don't yet like it enough | 23:02 |
| ex-parrot | I started working on trying to get X working but I haven't had the time | 23:02 |
| ex-parrot | so i am just hoping someone else figures it out for me :P | 23:03 |
| Boosterfive | I gave up on Firefox a decade ago. | 23:03 |
| chartreuse | You can use any of the standard x window managed/de's under xwayland if you prefer | 23:03 |
| chartreuse | Like the reform ships with WindowMaker already installed which is x only | 23:03 |
| technomancy | Boosterfive: firefox got their busted-ass extension mechanism directly from chrome =\ | 23:03 |
| chartreuse | The idea was for security and sandboxing with WebExtensions and ditching XUL (and also performance related to that), but the API lacks advanced permissions/features for completely redoing the interface still | 23:04 |
| ex-parrot | yeah I know about xwayland | 23:04 |
| ex-parrot | I kept running in to bugs :( | 23:04 |
| chartreuse | Though just look at the chome webstore to see that it's much more riddled with malware than the firefox store is and ever was | 23:05 |
| ex-parrot | currently I just have no X or Wayland installed on my reform and that is nice too :) | 23:05 |
| ex-parrot | Google has been making some small efforts to clean up the extension store but it's not enough | 23:05 |
| chartreuse | The terminal works well if you don't mind a text based browser, or the weirdness of w3m or such on framebuffer | 23:05 |
| technomancy | ex-parrot: I've been running XWayland as my primary since ... uh july or so | 23:06 |
| technomancy | what kind of bugs have you seen? | 23:06 |
| technomancy | I'd be a lot more inclined to skip X/Wayland altogether if I could get 256-color emacs -nw | 23:06 |
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| ex-parrot | technomancy: I was having problems with things like scrolling windows that were near the bottom of the screen, context menus opening in the wrong place | 23:08 |
| ex-parrot | it's been a few months since I was last trying it | 23:08 |
| technomancy | huh, never seen anything like that | 23:09 |
| ex-parrot | like e.g. if I had a terminal too close to the bottom of the disply | 23:09 |
| ex-parrot | and I wanted to select downwards and have it sroll down | 23:09 |
| ex-parrot | it wouldn't scroll | 23:09 |
| ex-parrot | just kind of werid stuff like that which drove me mildly insane :( | 23:10 |
| kfx | I just tried it on alpine with this config: https://mntre.com/media/tech_notes_md/2018-11-19-using-modesetting-with-etnaviv.html | 23:10 |
| technomancy | ex-parrot: and that was consistent across multiple WMs? | 23:10 |
| kfx | no errors in xorg.0.log, but no picture either :) | 23:10 |
| ex-parrot | didn't try | 23:12 |
| ex-parrot | just i3 | 23:12 |
| ex-parrot | kfx: that was about the point I go tto as well | 23:12 |
| ex-parrot | I started adding debugging prints to xorg and rebuilding it | 23:12 |
| ex-parrot | and then I've been too busy | 23:12 |
| ex-parrot | technomancy: I havwn't really spent enough proper time on debugging it | 23:12 |
| ex-parrot | my reform has been sitting on my bench unlobed for a couple of months :( | 23:13 |
| kfx | reform-standby seems to work without trouble in alpine as well | 23:14 |
| ex-parrot | interesting! | 23:15 |
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