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| technomancy | I wonder if there would be any takers on a bounty for getting suspend working reliably | 01:42 |
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| Boosterfive | So folks, you know how Ubuntu LTS has repos that are pretty stale compared to those same repos on distros like Arch, etc.? The distro that the Reform uses, what would those repos be like? | 14:27 |
| Boosterfive | For example, what version of Sway is being used? | 14:28 |
| mntmn | Boosterfive: reform uses debian bullseye so far, but you can of course update the apt sources at any time https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-system-image/-/blob/main/reform2-imx8mq/multistrap.conf | 14:29 |
| mntmn | Boosterfive: also, system image v2 ships newer versions of mesa, Xwayland and sway than were available in debian at the time; my plan for system image v3 is to use the standard debian packages (if that works well enough) | 14:30 |
| mntmn | Boosterfive: also, you could of course use arch with our kernel... | 14:31 |
| Boosterfive | prefer stability and so I will be fine with Debian. | 14:39 |
| bkeys | Where does uboot live on the mnt reform? | 14:39 |
| bkeys | Does the reform have SPI? | 14:39 |
| mntmn | u-boot lives on the sd card | 14:44 |
| mntmn | or on the eMMC | 14:44 |
| mntmn | bkeys: see https://mntre.com/reform2/handbook/advanced.html#system-boot | 14:45 |
| Boosterfive | I just spent a good 4 days setting up Sway on 20.04 on the Framework laptop. I have it all setup and working perfectly, only to find that I'm stuck on Sway 1.4.2. Certain wine programs have issues, but all in all it works great. | 14:47 |
| Boosterfive | I did mainly to prepare for using the Reform when I get it. | 14:47 |
| Boosterfive | I avoided tiling managers before, and that was a mistake. I love Sway. | 14:48 |
| bkeys | I am a KDE fan myself | 14:49 |
| Boosterfive | I wanted to like KDE, but I just found the fonts and icons so childish. I really preferred the way Gnome 3 with dash to panel and arc menu looked. | 14:50 |
| Boosterfive | Still I think the Steam Deck and Steam OS using KDE is a great thing, and might put some development energy into the project. | 14:50 |
| bkeys | I personally try to make it my mission to make FOSS be as least scary as possible; I used i3 before I switched to KDE | 14:52 |
| mntmn | i still need to look into KDE again one day/weekend... last time it would hang on start on reform (plasma) | 14:57 |
| mntmn | it was already running on the very first imx6 version though, so... weird | 14:57 |
| bkeys | On Fedora they keep pushing the wayland version of it, which is totally unusuable | 14:58 |
| mntmn | ah. i only tried the wayland version | 14:58 |
| mntmn | i'm kind of post-X11 | 14:58 |
| mntmn | (except for xwayland of course) | 14:58 |
| bkeys | I want to be, but KDE won't work, it is unusable and I don't get hardware acceleration | 14:58 |
| mntmn | on what kind of computer? | 14:58 |
| bkeys | I am typing this on a ppc64le machine with an amdgpu | 14:59 |
| mntmn | gnome on the other hand is totally fine when running as wayland | 14:59 |
| mntmn | ah ok | 14:59 |
| bkeys | I like Qt a lot as well | 14:59 |
| bkeys | I will just wait until the Wayland one works, I check on it maybe once a month cause I will read Phoronix put up several articles about how a bunch of bug fixes came down the line | 15:00 |
| mntmn | yeah | 15:01 |
| mntmn | wayland is def. the future, it's where all the development happens | 15:01 |
| mntmn | i wonder when xfce will get there | 15:01 |
| bkeys | Yeah I agree, I am just waiting for it to work for my set up | 15:01 |
| bkeys | So I read about the LS1028A module, how available is that chip? I see the photo y'all have posted of it | 15:02 |
| bkeys | So it exists physically | 15:02 |
| mntmn | the chip is generally available | 15:03 |
| mntmn | it's not super sought-after | 15:03 |
| bkeys | Anywhere you can buy it? | 15:03 |
| mntmn | mouser | 15:03 |
| mntmn | for example | 15:03 |
| mntmn | but the ddr4 doesn't work yet | 15:03 |
| mntmn | two of the modules exist, one at rbz, one now here at mnt (since today) | 15:03 |
| mntmn | rbz are still figuring out what's going on with the ddr4 | 15:04 |
| mntmn | and probably my friend in cologne will also take a look | 15:04 |
| bkeys | Will it have good graphics support at all? I do a lot of work in FreeCAD and the like | 15:04 |
| mntmn | yes | 15:04 |
| mntmn | it has almost the same gpu as imx8mq | 15:05 |
| mntmn | but it also will support eGPU | 15:05 |
| bkeys | ACTION nods | 15:05 |
| mntmn | because layerscape has a real, big PCIe address space | 15:05 |
| bkeys | Yeah I have some layerscape lx2160a boards | 15:05 |
| bkeys | I see, I followed the Reform since before it was the reform 2; and I think I am finally getting around to ordering one | 15:05 |
| mntmn | so we could make a little gpu dock box that would connect via the hdmi connector | 15:05 |
| bkeys | That is really cool | 15:06 |
| mntmn | (we routed a PCIe lane to the hdmi connector) | 15:06 |
| mntmn | (on ls1028a) | 15:06 |
| mntmn | but before we launch the campaign for this module i wanna make sure we get the memory to work | 15:06 |
| mntmn | i have confirmed the gpu stuff already on the devkit though | 15:06 |
| bkeys | Yeah that makes sense, how much do you estimate it's gonna be? | 15:06 |
| mntmn | i don't know yet... won't be super cheap, esp with 16GB memory | 15:07 |
| bkeys | Yeah it makes sense, I have an IMX8 board in my house so I know what to expect when it comes to performance | 15:07 |
| mntmn | the big imx8? | 15:08 |
| Boosterfive | mntmn: I like that you are working to always push the computing boundaries forward for the reform. | 15:08 |
| bkeys | Yes I really like that the laptop was designed to be upgraded; but that there is actually gonna be upgrades available for it | 15:08 |
| Boosterfive | mntmn: really can't wait to get mine. Hope your vacation went / is going well. | 15:08 |
| mntmn | Boosterfive: yeah i did some soul searching on this and decided to go to maximum choice for the users | 15:08 |
| mntmn | Boosterfive: yeah, it was good, already over ;) | 15:08 |
| bkeys | I believe it is the big IMX8 | 15:08 |
| bkeys | https://www.solid-run.com/embedded-industrial-iot/nxp-i-mx8-family/hummingboard-m/ | 15:09 |
| mntmn | bkeys: is it the "multisensory" dk? | 15:09 |
| mntmn | ah | 15:09 |
| bkeys | I have the hummingboard pulse on the left | 15:09 |
| bkeys | My ex employer let me have it instead of mailing it back, because they went with a different vendor for imx8 and were not using the board anymore | 15:09 |
| mntmn | bkeys: ah, that has either 8mplus or 8m mini? | 15:10 |
| bkeys | It is the plus | 15:10 |
| mntmn | bkeys: that is not the big imx8 | 15:10 |
| mntmn | bkeys: ok, i have the plus too | 15:10 |
| mntmn | the plus is similar to the imx8m in reform | 15:10 |
| mntmn | just more power efficient | 15:11 |
| bkeys | This last week a guy from Solid Run told me that he was pushing some patches to mainline a bunch of stuff with that board | 15:11 |
| mntmn | the ls1028a is 2x cortex-a72 though | 15:11 |
| mntmn | so has faster single-thread performance | 15:11 |
| bkeys | The Reform seems perfect (I miss having a brick laptop) I am really hoping I can get Fedora on there | 15:11 |
| mntmn | the imx8 (without any letters) is the "big" one that most people haven't seen yet, including me | 15:12 |
| mntmn | that's hexacore (2x a72 + 4x a53) and dual gpu | 15:12 |
| mntmn | supposed to use a lot of power though | 15:12 |
| bkeys | I work as an embedded software developer and I guess I have never seen it | 15:12 |
| mntmn | devkits of that one are pretty expensive | 15:12 |
| mntmn | i'm inclined to skip it in favor of waiting for imx9 and offering the cm4-formfactor options | 15:13 |
| bkeys | Now, I believe NXP said that imx9 was gonna be riscv based, is that true? | 15:13 |
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| mntmn | bkeys: not true | 15:18 |
| mntmn | nxp low-key launched imx93 already which is cortex-a55 | 15:18 |
| mntmn | but no 3d gpu, no pcie etc, it | 15:18 |
| Boosterfive | mntmn: are we still confident about being able to beat Crowdsupply's 9 Dec ship date? | 15:18 |
| mntmn | it's more like a big mcu | 15:18 |
| mntmn | Boosterfive: well, you're hitting a nerve there... | 15:19 |
| mntmn | we have at least 50 laptops boxed up for shipping here but nowhere to send them... | 15:19 |
| mjw | gah | 15:19 |
| mntmn | since a while. | 15:19 |
| Boosterfive | mntmn: I can provide an address right now if you need | 15:19 |
| mjw | ACTION 2! :) | 15:20 |
| Boosterfive | You mean crowd supply is not providing you with the proper details? | 15:20 |
| mntmn | not working like that | 15:20 |
| mntmn | yeah they're trying to figure out stuff with mouser | 15:20 |
| mntmn | i'm pushing pretty hard to get it done | 15:20 |
| vkoskiv | You are doing good work. I can only imagine it must be quite stressful. Hopefully you get good rest as well. | 15:21 |
| mntmn | i could sleep better if we could finally send these out ^^ | 15:21 |
| Boosterfive | mntmn: I'm not waiting on an order from crowdsupply. I ordered through your store. I was just checking that things were still looking good, because when I first ordered I was unsure if I should order through crowdsupply or directly through you. You mentioned that you should be able to ship before crowdsupply if I ordered through them. | 15:21 |
| Boosterfive | mntmn: but please understand I'm not being pushy at all | 15:21 |
| mntmn | Boosterfive: ah, we'll start shipping those soon | 15:21 |
| vkoskiv | I've been wanting to ask too, but in a completely non-urgent way, if that makes sense | 15:22 |
| vkoskiv | If my shipment time slips, 100% fine by me. | 15:22 |
| Boosterfive | mntmn: yep, I understand their are people behind all of this, and not robots. | 15:22 |
| bkeys | ACTION finally got around to placing his order for the Reform | 16:01 |
| vkoskiv | Woo! | 16:01 |
| mntmn | bkeys: awesome!! | 16:11 |
| Boosterfive | bkeys: excellent! | 16:15 |
| Boosterfive | mntmn: what cad software are you using? | 16:24 |
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| mntmn | Boosterfive: kicad, fusion, openscad, freecad | 17:07 |
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| vkoskiv | I have set a personal goal to use my reform to design a piece of hardware. Most likely for personal use. | 18:24 |
| vkoskiv | I've never routed/designed my own PCB, I wanna do that. | 18:24 |
| mntmn | that's cool! | 18:25 |
| mntmn | we include a version of kicad that is ready for the hardware acceleration | 18:25 |
| mntmn | these patches are upstream but i'm not sure if landed in debian yet | 18:25 |
| technomancy | a macropad is a great place to start IMO. electrically very simple; basically don't have to care about voltage levels or any pesky considerations like that. | 18:26 |
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| bkeys | mntmn: So what all is left to be mainlined for the reform? | 19:23 |
| mntmn | bkeys: mostly a fix for the internal display driver chain (my way of doing it was rejected, they wanted to suggest a better way, didn't happen) | 19:30 |
| mntmn | bkeys: then, a tiny patch for the pcie driver to allow internal clock pad | 19:31 |
| mntmn | i shall resubmit that perhaps | 19:33 |
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| chartreuse | I'll have to update my system image fork to be the latest ckernel then and see what patches are still needed | 21:04 |
| mntmn | for reference, some loose ends: | 21:36 |
| mntmn | https://lkml.org/lkml/2020/11/25/130 | 21:36 |
| mntmn | patch was https://lkml.org/lkml/2020/11/24/991 | 21:37 |
| mntmn | and the second half (really just one line) of this patch: https://gist.github.com/mntmn/c1005bd9f4cbc53e71058f0a45084da3#pcie (the anatop stuff is not needed anymore) | 21:41 |
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