2021-11-18.log

+ S0rin (~S0rin@user/s0rin)00:35
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bluerisemntmn: you working on that CM4 adapter means I might really have to continue on rk356x support on openbsd :P00:41
bluerisewonder if u-boot has better mipi-dsi support for that...00:41
bluerisebut, hope you're enyoing your vacation00:41
mntmnhehe yeah mostly!00:51
ex-parrotI've been enjoying LFS on the reform00:54
ex-parrotI also did not yet try and build a 'real' browser00:55
ex-parrotbut I kind of like it that way00:55
technomancyI've managed to keep chromium and webkit off my reform so far <300:57
ex-parrotI need to hook up a Gemini browser00:57
mntmnthat's cool, to use it minimal like that01:02
ex-parrotI currently don;t have X or wayland 01:03
ex-parrotjust been doing journalling over SSH with tmux01:03
technomancyin 8 colors?01:04
technomancyor is there a way to do 256-color without X/wayland?01:04
ex-parrotpretty sure you can do 256colour on the default display01:05
ex-parroton a VTY01:05
technomancyoh, maybe it's an Emacs limitation then01:05
technomancyI've never been able to get more than 8 in Emacs01:05
ex-parrotI could be very wrong 01:06
ex-parrotI don't trust my own memory now :P01:06
ex-parrotI'll check when I get home if 256 colour is working01:06
ex-parrotyou might need fbterm 01:06
ex-parrotbut I am not using that...01:07
technomancyfbterm sounds really familiar, like I must have tried to do this previously01:08
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mntmnthere's also https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/KMSCON01:58
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+ bkeys (~Thunderbi@66.115.189.236)03:03
bkeysSo how is the trackball on the current revision of the reform?03:04
bkeysI read a review that said it rubbed against the display, and that it was fixed; is that true?03:04
+ sigrid (~ftrvxmtrx@ftrv.se)03:07
bkeysAlso what is the trackball made out of? I have a "clearly superior" branded trackball and it is like a billiard ball; I was hoping something like a marble for the reform03:07
ex-parrotI got a tiny boop on my display from shipping, I'd suggest if you were going to re-ship internationally maybe extra pad that 03:08
ex-parrotor take out the trackball03:08
ex-parrotthere's been a bit of hacking going on with a replacement cup design 03:09
ex-parrotand a few people tried alternative ball materials03:09
ex-parrotthe standard one is kind of hard to describe, it's not bad at all but it's not much like other tracksballs necessarily that I've used either03:09
+ sl (~sl@beastie.sdf.org)03:27
bkeysex-parrot: Would you say to go with the touchpad or the trackball?03:28
bkeysI really like the idea of a trackball but I don't want it to damage my screen03:28
slinsert a thin piece of foam like they ship laptops with03:30
sli do this already for screens i care about03:30
ex-parrotI really like the trackball03:30
ex-parrotI'd have it any day over a touchpad03:30
ex-parrotyou could just get both03:30
ex-parrotand decide which one you like most03:30
slhow hard is it to remove?03:30
sljust take it out :)03:30
ex-parrotask to have the touchpad installed for shipping maybe? or nothing installed03:30
ex-parrottho I imagine the screen booping thing willb e fixed by now, my unit was really early03:30
slmight be a good design update to make it easily removable without disassembling the case03:30
slfor travel03:31
ex-parrotnot very hard, nothing on the reform is hard to disassemble03:31
ex-parrotremoving the ball isn't as easy as a "typical" trackball, it does require removing some screws03:31
sli got my keyboard today, still waiting for my laptop.03:31
ex-parrotexciting03:31
ex-parrotI still need to do the firmware update03:31
ex-parrotalso, if the display is damaged03:33
ex-parrotit's extremely easy to replace03:33
slgreat03:35
ex-parrotI have been away for a bit, has anything happend with OpenBSD support recently?03:36
slif i understand correctly bluerise is working on it, but not sure about progress.03:36
ex-parrotmm, that's about all I know too03:36
ex-parrotACTION isn't in a hurry03:36
sldebian is my least favorite part of the mnt reform03:38
slbut that's fixable03:38
ex-parrotI'm running LFS at the moment03:39
ex-parrotit was very painless to get it going03:39
slcool03:40
sli think someone is working on alpine, too03:41
ex-parrot\o/03:42
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slanyone devised a pgup/pgdn scheme for the keyboard05:02
ex-parrotoh man05:08
ex-parrotthis absolutely ruined me at first05:08
ex-parrotthere are pageup and pagedown keys05:08
ex-parrotto the left of left arrow05:08
ex-parrotand, so you avoid the trap I fell in to, there's a delete to the left of Z as well :P05:09
slyeah05:13
slhaha, i didnt even see them05:14
slhaha05:14
ex-parrotyep05:15
ex-parrotexact same thing happened to me05:15
ex-parrotI was all "guess I'll just ctrl+p"05:16
slgonna have to remap some stuff, or die of carpal tunnel05:16
sloverall very happy with this05:16
+ S0rin (~S0rin@user/s0rin)05:17
kfxsl: does the compose key work in 9front05:33
slHYPER is the only one that i can get a scancode from so far05:36
slMNT and the bottom CTRL are ignored completely05:36
slbut sigrid is fixing her kbfind and we're gonna investigate05:37
kfxword05:37
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blueriseex-parrot: hiho09:22
bluerisenot much to be honest, last month I don't think I did anything09:22
bluerisethe blocker is display support09:23
kfxapt search aarch64 | grep -i none09:39
kfxwoops, this is not a debian09:39
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yankcrimeholy shit so there is a delete key next to the z10:42
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chartreusesl: The MNT key should be being sent as Super/Windows Key15:04
chartreuseI imagine the lower control key might be being sent as Right Ctrl and causing some issue?15:05
bkeysSo I read in reviews that the mnt reform keyboard will be programmable, what program can be used to configure it?15:05
slchartreuse: yeah, it's all probaly fne in another os; we sometimes have to tweak 9front keyboard mapping for various keyboards. fortunately it's easy to do.15:21
sl*finr15:21
slthat is, fine15:21
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chartreusebkeys: It's programmable in the sense you can flash the keyboard controller firmware while the system is running (ATMEGA32U4) and source is provided15:25
bkeysOkay, so no web GUI like a lot of fancier mechanical keyboards have15:26
bkeysWhat do you need hardware-wise to flash the keyboard?15:26
- S0rin (QUIT: Ping timeout: 256 seconds) (~S0rin@user/s0rin)15:26
chartreuseNothing hardware wise, it's programmable from on the MNT itself, you just need to flick one of the switches under the bezel (and can leave it there), then press a button on the board and do `make dfu`15:28
chartreuseYou can press that button with the bezel on with a plastic tool as it's just visible above the keys15:28
chartreuseWell I guess you need an external USB keyboard to press enter to run the command (or start it with a sleep command in front as when you press the button the keyboard won't respond till it's flashed or times out :P15:30
+ S0rin (~S0rin@user/s0rin)15:32
niobkeys: There's a small alpha web-version for the key mapping from mntmn:16:18
niohttp://dump.mntmn.com/reform2-keyboard-editor/refkbd.html16:18
bkeysOh that is nice16:19
bkeysHas the whole issue of the BMC draining the battery been solved?16:19
mntmnbkeys: i believe so16:20
bkeysmntmn: Got any details? (or the details written down on a blog or the like)16:21
mntmnbkeys: https://community.mnt.re/t/mnt-reform-recommended-lpc-and-keyboard-firmware-update-to-fix-battery-drain-in-off-state/55916:21
bkeysSounds promising enough to me16:23
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bkeysmntmn: So would it be safe to leave a reform unplugged from the wall now?17:16
mntmnbkeys: yes, but i don't know exactly for how long17:16
mntmnmy guess is several weeks17:17
chartreuseI've left mine well over a week and it's still showed 99% after turning it back on17:23
chartreuseSo yeah it's safe17:23
chartreuse(Yes I feel bad for not using it XD)17:23
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ex-parrotbluerise: cool, ty for the update21:51
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ex-parrotplease don't take my querying as a complaint about the speed of things! I'd love to help too if I had the time / slightly more expertise21:51
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blueriseex-parrot: I often also wish I had more expertise22:11
blueriseMIPI-DSI for instance isn't my strong suit22:11
blueriseThe thing is, OpenBSD does boot fine and I even have a modified U-Boot that can boot directly from NVMe22:11
blueriseI'm waiting so I can push a new patchset. I hoped Peng would update his and re-push, but maybe I have to create a patchset without his stuff22:12
blueriseso with that OpenBSD boots, but there's neither video nor audio22:12
blueriseNVMe, WiFi, USB, keyboard/mouse etc work though... but with nothing to display it to, it sucks a little bit22:12
ex-parrotyeah makes sense22:13
ex-parrotif I have time over my christmas holidays I'll definitely see if there's any help I can add22:13
blueriseWhat I'm missing though is how to setup the display pipeline. I either have to implement *more* MIPI-DSI, or just find the correct bit to... fix it22:13
ex-parroteven if it's just replicating where you've got to22:13
blueriseSure, feel free to message me22:13
ex-parrotperfect22:14
blueriseI quit my job and have another 2,5 months left before vacation (and then new job)22:14
blueriseso maybe I got a bit more time on my hands now lol22:14
ex-parrotI'm hoping also for the "we just need to flip a couple more bits and it'll fire up" scenario :P22:14
ex-parrotnice!22:14
blueriseI've been stuck at that point of the scenario for too long now :P22:14
ex-parrotI just started a new job so my holidays are not going to be super luxurious this year22:14
blueriseheh22:14
bluerisehappy with the new one?22:14
ex-parrotit's a bit of a sideways move for me so I'm in the paniced learning phase still22:15
sigridare your diffs available somewhere, bluerise?22:15
blueriseex-parrot: you'll be alright22:17
bluerisesigrid: U-Boot with NVMe support is here https://github.com/bluerise/u-boot/tree/mntre22:17
ex-parrotI've moved from 15 years of doing sysadmin / infrastructure / network stuff in to security testing22:18
sigridthanks22:18
ex-parrotso it's not a complete panic but there's a lot to learn :)22:18
+ freakazoid343 (~matt@2603:9000:cf0f:80e3:346b:8ef4:4433:cb30)22:20
blueriseand my WIP display stuff was here...22:21
bluerisehttps://github.com/bluerise/u-boot/tree/mntre-disp22:21
blueriseaand..22:21
bluerisehttps://github.com/bluerise/u-boot/tree/mntre-disp222:21
ex-parrotty for putting in the work bluerise 22:22
blueriseex-parrot: so more like pentesting as contractor, or in-house security testing?22:22
sigridamazing22:23
ex-parrotbluerise: pentesting 22:23
ex-parrotI've been in-house security guy previously as well22:23
ex-parrotbut it's still a bit of a new world to be "doing testing"22:23
bluerisesigrid: those two display branches are a bit of... cherry-picking from boundary devices, fixing it up as I go and try to improve here and there. it's a bit of finding needle in a haystack for me, because I don't know a good way how to make progress22:24
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blueriseex-parrot: nice. in my current job I mostly develop software, and we have people in our quality department that just stumble into bugs all the time22:25
blueriseit's like they have a magic spell22:25
bluerisewhere everything they touch blows up22:25
ex-parrotha ha my colleagues are like this! they sit down at some web application and bugs just fall out22:25
bluerisehaha, yes22:25
sigridis the idea to get display set up so u-boot can be used without uart?22:25
ex-parrotI've been at this new job almost 6 months and found so many issues so far, but I'm on some jobs at the moment where I'm just finding nothing22:25
bluerisesigrid: kinda. the idea for me was that I can use GPL drivers to establish the video output, and then hand a 'simple framebuffer' over to OpenBSD22:26
sigridah, ok22:26
bluerisethen I don't need to write BSD-licensed drivers from scratch without documentation22:26
sigridthat'd be indeed useful :)22:26
bluerisebut yeah, it's definitely helpful to be able to interact with u-boot without having to need a serial console22:26
ex-parrotI'd like to have u-boot display output working generally anyway22:27
blueriseex-parrot: ups and downs :)22:27
bluerisewill be doing more security stuff in the new job, that'll be very interesting22:27
ex-parrotcool22:28
ex-parrotI've been adjacent to the security community for a long time, but it's funny how much I didn't pick up22:28
ex-parrotjust by hanging around22:28
ex-parrotabout how the business actually works etc22:28
ex-parrotdamn if I don't want one of the standalone USB keyboards22:38
ex-parrotI absolutely don't need it22:38
ex-parrotbut they look so good22:38
mntmn:322:40
mntmnbeen working for the last few hours on mixing/editing a track in ardour on reform. getting close to a "comfy" setup22:43
ex-parrotoh hello mntmn 22:46

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