2021-11-11.log

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dj-deathndufresne: yeah there is also the problem of in what cache did you leave the data ;)09:19
dj-deathndufresne: it has to be in main memory for display09:19
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niomntmn: the keyboard arrived and it's awesome!! :>13:05
mntmnnio: happy to hear! which color?13:10
niothe black one13:11
mntmnah yeah13:11
nioand got some spare blank caps. and got some spare blank caps. I was thinking of lasering them in the happylab, but I'm not that familiar with the Trotec Lasers yet.13:14
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nioare the settings for your laser of any help when working with the Trotec lasers?13:16
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mntmnit could be, but you need to do some tests with one or two caps first nio 13:17
nioyeah, I thought so too. was thinking that your settings could give me a small head start. :)13:18
mntmnnio: for my 25W epilog i use power 20 / speed 8013:18
nionice, thanks!13:18
mntmnnio: it makes a difference if only one cap is engraved vs a full row13:19
mntmnnio: a full row works better because the head needs some travel time which cools down the cap13:19
mntmnnio: if the laser works only on one cap it will melt a little more13:19
nioI see. makes sense and this will save me some time for sure.13:20
mntmnnio: also, i mostly laser when caps are installed on the keyboard so i have to manually focus then13:25
niomntmn: your're doing it for easier placement right?13:29
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mntmnnio: it just eliminates some work steps13:29
mntmnnio: and yeah the alignment is easier then13:30
niomntmn: got it13:30
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niomntmn: you've mentioned a web-based keyboard layout editor in the manual, but I wasn't able to find anything in the forums. do you need any help with this? I'm a web developer13:31
mntmnnio: oh yeah! here's a alpha version http://dump.mntmn.com/reform2-keyboard-editor/refkbd.html13:34
mntmnnio: i need to check this into the reform repo13:34
mntmnnio: currently you can click on a key and then swap and then on another key13:35
nionice, looks good! :)13:35
mntmnnio: currently this has the standalone firmware hardcoded in it... so don't use it for the laptop13:35
nioalright.13:36
niomntmn: if you like, you can send me your wish/todo-list for the layout editor. maybe I can help13:38
niolooks functional already though :)13:39
mntmnnio: the most important thing would be to be able to select the keyboard firmware, and i should probably make a CI workflow in the reform repo that builds & updates the firmware14:19
mntmnnio: and probably drag and drop swapping?14:20
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niomntmn: sounds doable. let me know as soon as it's in the reform repo and I will have a look14:46
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niomntmn: may I ask why you stepped away from having the big handle on the keyboard?17:24
mntmnnio: very impractical 17:24
nioto clunky for angle adjustments?17:25
nioI was kinda looking forward to carrying the keyboard with the handle with me like a purse17:26
nioforgot to ping you, mntmn 17:30
mjwACTION got the package delivered \o/17:31
mjwBut I am not home myself... argh. Need to finish work on this model M keyboard made for giants and then run home to unwrap the keyboard made for humans :)17:33
nio:) I can't remember the last time I was so excited to unwrap a parcel last time17:34
nioEnjoy!17:34
mntmncool :)17:43
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technomancyhttps://www.amazon.com/7-4x5-0mm-4-5x3-0mm-Connector-Converter-Inspiron/dp/B00435J7DO <- I have approximately fifteen big-barrel type thinkpad AC adapters strewn all over my house; anyone know whether the old small-barrel style would work on the Reform?19:10
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slkeyyyyyyboards19:29
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mntmnyesss we are shipping out a lot of stuff now19:31
slgot my notice :) thank you!19:31
kfxmine got returned to sender :(19:36
sldejoooooooooy19:37
sl[kaaaaahn]19:37
mntmnkfx: i just wrote you about that, our mistake, it will go out again tomorrow19:38
kfxmntmn: glad to hear, I was worried I screwed something up.  sorry for the trouble19:39
mntmnkfx: you got an email from us?19:39
mntmn(recently i mean)19:40
kfxnot yet, I only noticed because I looked up the tracking number19:40
kfxI sent in an email but haven't got a reply19:40
mntmnhmm, maybe you are someone else then :D19:40
kfxno rush, I trust you to get around to it :)(19:40
kfxthat typo made my emoticon weird and I'm not sure what to do about it.19:40
mntmni'll send you a private message19:41
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bluerisemntmn: Hopefully in 10 years I have my U-Boot patchset upstreamed20:57
bluerise;)20:57
blueriseregarding the graphics: I still don't understand if we have to send MIPI packets ourselves20:57
mntmnbluerise: ha! i followed the recent emails20:58
blueriseI wondered how hard it'd be to build a SoM adapter for the SolidRun i.MX8MP SoM, but then realized it's the same graphics stack as the MIPI, heh20:58
blueriseYeah, I hope Peng sends an updated patchset soon, then we need to wait for it to be merged20:58
mntmnbluerise: need to check how the solidrun som looks like20:58
blueriseI can do it without Peng, but then we'd have conflicting patchsets maybe20:58
mntmnbtw boundary can't deliver new soms before june 202220:58
blueriseugh20:58
mntmnbecause of the ethernet PHY20:58
blueriseYeah20:59
blueriseI got the PCN20:59
mntmnqualcomm canceled the orders20:59
blueriseAR8035 PCN, right?20:59
blueriseand the new PHY has 52 weeks lead?20:59
mntmnyeah i didn't get the qc pcn directly, just boundary pcn20:59
mntmnyep20:59
mntmnwhich is a bit silly20:59
mntmni need that other phy for another project/som and i know how hard it is to get20:59
blueriseThen I wondered about the CN9K SoM from SolidRun, but it doesn't have any graphics20:59
mntmni think we will make the pocket reform without ethernet and ask for customized som without the phy21:00
blueriseSigh21:00
mntmnQ1/Q2 2022 will be challenging.21:00
blueriseFunny thing though: The product from $work doesn't have Ethernet because management thought no one would need it21:00
mntmnha21:00
mntmngood luck perhaps21:01
bluerisebut now every single sold isntance21:01
- natalie (QUIT: Ping timeout: 260 seconds) (~natalie@user/natalie)21:01
blueriseis being sold with a USB-Ethernet adapter21:01
blueriseso we traded nice on-board ethernet for shitty usb-chips21:01
blueriseon the bright side: no AR8035 shortage to worry about.21:01
blueriseWe recently switched to a different PMIC, from NXP PFUZE100 to Rohm BD71837 (for the i.MX8MQ)21:02
blueriseand promptly one supplier said 'sorry, even though we promised, the PFUZE100' won't arrive21:02
bluerisethankfully we had enough BD71837 and the SW I had already prepared21:03
blueriseRAM might be getting short next year21:03
bluerisesuuucks.21:03
mntmnoop21:03
mntmnwe will need to go back to 32 bit and sdram21:03
blueriseAlso, I resigned from my position, and since the MNT Reform was bought using company funds, I probably have to give it back.21:03
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blueriseGood news: I might buy another one then ;)21:04
mntmnbluerise: oh no. can't they just leave it to you21:04
mntmnah ;)21:04
blueriseDunno, haven't asked and tbh it's more fun to leave a bunch of HW on my desk21:04
bluerisealso I have some nice coworkers who might snatch my stuff up :)21:04
mntmnreforms don't grow on trees!21:04
mntmnwe won't be able to make new ones for a while i guess21:05
blueriseI'll probably also have to leave the LX2K there, so I'm thinking hard if there's anything better, but,... there's not.21:05
bluerisemhm21:05
bluerisemaybe some coworker can lend me my old stuff ;)21:05
bluerisebut yeah, dunno, let's see.21:05
mntmnyeah i would advise not to leave rare boutique hardware behind ;)21:05
blueriseI'm trying to either keep them (somehow) or have someone I trust adopt them ;)21:06
blueriseso yeah, ideally I don't want to implement MIPI-DSI in OpenBSD21:10
bluerisebut I didn't find a solution that gets me eDP easily21:10
kfxI am watching your efforts with great interest, because video is gonna be the hard part of getting plan 9 going as well21:10
bluerisee.g. on the RK3399 I'd have HDMI output, and... hm...21:11
blueriseright, the rk3399 has an eDP controller21:12
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bluerisehttps://www.friendlyarm.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=25721:14
bluerisethat has eDP ;)21:14
mntmnbluerise: my plan is to finish the CM4 adapter, that will yield a bunch of different socs for us to try in reform21:15
mntmnpi cm4, some rockchip thing from pine, some riscv thing from antmicro, fpga thing from radiona21:16
mntmnthey all have cm4 form factor21:16
mntmnbluerise: we will find someone else to solve the mipi thing in u-boot then, or i will have to do it21:16
mntmnbluerise: maybe genode can help us as they also managed to do it21:17
bluerisehm?21:17
mntmni mean genode sculpt os exists for reform and it runs the internal display21:17
bluerisedo you have a link to the genode stuff?21:17
mntmnsure, hang on21:17
blueriseit's not just using the linux drivers, is it?21:17
mntmnbluerise: https://genodians.org/skalk/2021-10-25-sculpt-arm21:18
+ S0rin (~S0rin@user/s0rin)21:18
mntmnbluerise: lets say, it's a mix https://github.com/genodelabs/genode/blob/fce525f122db34718ce1710ba7b0233da520ac9b/repos/dde_linux/src/drivers/framebuffer/imx8/main.cc#L16021:20
bluerisesrc/drivers/framebuffer/imx8mq/source.list:drivers/gpu/drm/drm_mipi_dsi.c21:24
bluerisesrc/drivers/framebuffer/imx8mq/source.list:drivers/phy/freescale/phy-fsl-imx8-mipi-dphy.c21:24
bluerisesrc/drivers/framebuffer/imx8mq/source.list:drivers/phy/phy-core-mipi-dphy.c21:24
blueriseheh21:24
blueriserunning in easy-mode21:24
mntmn:321:25
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technomancyis the barrel jack on the reform a 5mm connector? not seeing the size mentoined in the handbook.21:46
kfx5.5x2.1mm I think, used to be known as "type m"21:47
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technomancyah cool; thanks22:41
technomancyomg extremely cursed https://www.ebay.com/itm/253553081267?hash=item3b08f0fbb3:g:6ZIAAOSwW4xazGub22:41
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