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_2disbettermntmn: if there could only one chat platform left, what would you pick? IRC?10:43
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flowymntmn: fyi chromium's ozone/wayland backend seems to work well with the current debian/bookworm package, maybe the snap package doesn't offer much at this point16:50
flowyi do see occasional raster/tiling glitches but they always flash or go away with a little activity, no crashes yet16:51
mntmnflowy: intersting, i need to check that out!! it never worked for me so far. what kind of fps do you get here https://webglsamples.org/blob/blob.html ?16:51
flowy40-45fps 10 blobs 24^3 res16:56
flowymm maybe more like 35-40 when not fullscreen in sway16:57
flowy--enable-features=UseOzonePlatform --ozone-platform=wayland --enable-zero-copy16:59
mntmnthat's still very good17:04
mntmni'll have to try that, thanks17:04
flowyhmph. debian's chromium moves slowly and is currently vulnerable to many CVE's. in the debian wiki they actually recommend against using it and suggest flatpaks lol17:10
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flowyACTION shrugs17:12
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mntmnflowy: lol really?17:23
mntmnflowy: any nasty cves?17:23
flowydunno i don't have the time to click through all of them at the moment there are dozens17:25
flowyhttps://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/source-package/chromium17:25
mntmnoof17:26
flowyi'm not throwing blame anywhere but it's funny how different the state of affairs is regarding linux package management, now vs 5-10 years ago17:28
flowybefore it felt like the most supiorior form of distribution and now it feels like you've got no choice but to rely on some third party channels if you want to stay up to date with certain things17:29
flowy*superior17:30
mntmnflowy: which chromium version did you test? 93.0.4577.82-1?17:30
mntmnthe snap version is def. still faster for me17:31
flowyyep.17:32
flowyguess i will switch17:33
andrey_utkinmntmn, hi, it's me who contacted you about helping with software17:33
mntmnhi andrey_utkin!17:36
andrey_utkini presume you're just very busy now, is that right? is there some other person who knows enough context about the decoders problem to enable me to start digging?17:40
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andrey_utkindisconnecting. please reply in email.17:48
mntmnandrey_utkin: yes, ezequielg for example17:50
eeryflowy: seems like this is more of a problem with debian than linux package management in general, most other distros have pretty recent chromium versions, some very close to upstream17:50
mntmnandrey_utkin: and ndufresne 17:51
mntmnandrey_utkin: IIRC there was an ffmpeg pull request that was never merged17:51
mntmnandrey_utkin: some background https://community.mnt.re/t/notes-on-building-ffmpeg-and-mpv-to-use-the-hardware-h-264-decoder/30517:51
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ndufresnemntmn: he's gone ...18:05
mntmnhopefully he will come back ;)18:05
mntmnndufresne: he agreed to look into h264 decoder userspace stuff18:05
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erlehmann<flowy> before it felt like the most supiorior form of distribution and now it feels like you've got no choice but to rely on some third party channels if you want to stay up to date with certain things19:57
erlehmannflowy it was always the case that distributions are a curation19:58
erlehmannfile a bug against debian defaulting to desktop gl if you want that fixed ig19:58
erlehmannthey specifically patched that in i think19:58
erlehmannnot sure if *that* is the reason of the slowdown19:58
erlehmannbut minetest with ogles gets better performance on reform2 than minetest with desktop opengl19:59
kfxthe operating system packaging paradigm was clearly not prepared to package an entire operating system as a user application20:00
technomancyeh, never had any trouble with Emacs =)20:00
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andrey_utkinIRC logs were helpful.20:07
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mntmnandrey_utkin: cool20:17
mntmnandrey_utkin: and yes i am a bit overloaded atm20:17
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