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| mtm | mntmn: nice Crowd Supply update; here's hoping mine is in the first batch of 40 | 04:12 |
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| mntmn | mtm: ha! we're doing what we can! | 04:13 |
| mtm | heh, I know, I know | 04:13 |
| mtm | you're up late | 04:13 |
| mntmn | yeah been watching some ds9, but time for sleep now! | 04:14 |
| mntmn | good night! | 04:14 |
| vagrantc | been meaning to look into updating the firmware ... and, as a first step i just checked if the firmware builds reproducibly using reprotest ... appears to! :) | 04:14 |
| mtm | guten nacht (I'm sure I butchered that) | 04:15 |
| vagrantc | i disabled some reprotest tests, so there still could be lingering issues... | 04:15 |
| vagrantc | but a quick check showed it reasonably reproducible :) | 04:15 |
| erlehmann | vagrantc what does reprotest do? | 04:29 |
| erlehmann | vagrantc i mean what does it do that you disabled? | 04:29 |
| vagrantc | i didn't vary -user_group,-domain_host,-fileordering | 04:30 |
| vagrantc | so username, groupname, hostname or filesystem ordering | 04:30 |
| vagrantc | https://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/bionic/man1/reprotest.1.html the --variations flag describe the things enabled by default | 04:32 |
| vagrantc | guess this is more recent: https://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/impish/man1/reprotest.1.html ... but i doubt there have been many changes | 04:34 |
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| chartreuse | Alright did a quick test of the new LPC firmware for off power draw. Charged the laptop up to 83% yesterday (was aiming for 80% but missed) and then shut it down with a timer running so I could compare the voltage/percentage before and after. Made sure to let the voltage stabilize before starting the test | 05:00 |
| chartreuse | Started at 83% 26.74v, and 19hr 30m later it's now 83% 26.68V | 05:00 |
| vagrantc | nice | 05:02 |
| chartreuse | So a loss of ~0.003v/hr. I know it's probably not linear but that's still quite good | 05:09 |
| chartreuse | Assuming it was linear to discharge at that rate from the remaining 26.68v all the way to 0v would take 8671 hr or 361 days | 05:10 |
| chartreuse | Not sure what the lowest voltage the SoC can charge the batteries from, so should find that | 05:11 |
| chartreuse | It's also possible some of the voltage drop happened earlier if I didn't let the battery stabilize enough after charging | 05:11 |
| chartreuse | If I say 2.5v/cell is the lowest permissible or 20v total that'd take 92 days to go from 83% to 2.5v per cell. | 05:14 |
| chartreuse | Though it'd be better still if someone gets a microcurrent or such and puts it inline to measure the actual standby current draw accurately | 05:15 |
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| chartreuse | Voltage drop is a pretty poor measurement and I'm not sure if it's even possible to convert that to an approximate mA draw over that time | 05:17 |
| chartreuse | But it's just a rough idea | 05:17 |
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| vagrantc | sounds very compelling to upgrade the firmware :) | 05:21 |
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| chartreuse | It's really not all that bad to do, the keyboard is rather quick and can be done on the device itself, the lpc needs to be done from another computer but is also quite painless | 05:31 |
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| vagrantc | hrm. would be nice if the firmware sources were split into a separate git repository from all the other stuff ... | 05:36 |
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| vagrantc | and, debian packages: https://salsa.debian.org/vagrant/mnt-reform-firmware | 05:49 |
| vagrantc | of course, the README.md is a bit misleading there ... hrm. | 05:49 |
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| vagrantc | does the keyboard firmware and lpc firmware need to be upgraded together? | 06:08 |
| vagrantc | or do you get some benefit from upgrading just the keyboard? | 06:11 |
| vagrantc | not sure when i'll have a chance to crack the case open | 06:11 |
| chartreuse | I'd do both, the newer keyboard firmware displays some extra info from the SoC so might be a little weird with the old one | 06:21 |
| chartreuse | The slightly older firmware for the keyboard adds the low power state for just the keyboard, but the LPC one adds better battery balancing, low power state for the LPC on the system and better shutdown hooks and such | 06:22 |
| chartreuse | It's not bad to do the LPC if you have another system handy. Just be careful plugging in the microusb cable with the batteries still connected | 06:24 |
| chartreuse | Or if you don't feel confident doing that, remove them, insert it, then reinstall | 06:24 |
| chartreuse | Then it's just a small switch to flick and press the program button | 06:25 |
| chartreuse | Then the LPC shows up as a usb storage drive on the host computer and the flash.sh script copies the firmware file onto it | 06:25 |
| chartreuse | For the keyboard you need to unscrew the bezel, flip the programming switch (I've just kept mine permanently flipped), then press the programming button on there to be able to flash with make dfu | 06:25 |
| vagrantc | no a lack of confidence but just impatient :) | 06:26 |
| chartreuse | I procrastinated doing it for a while, but didn't take long at all to do | 06:30 |
| chartreuse | The longest part was me forgetting I'd upgraded the kernel on my arch laptop and it not loading the module for the USB device till I restarted due to changing paths | 06:30 |
| chartreuse | But you need another linux system with arm-none-eabi-gcc and arm-none-eabi-newlib or simiar packages to build the firmware, but flashing is quick | 06:31 |
| vagrantc | already built the firmware, even made a debian package :) | 06:36 |
| vagrantc | ok, upgraded.... ) | 06:49 |
| vagrantc | :) | 06:49 |
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| vagrantc | is the poweroff a hard poweroff? | 06:58 |
| vagrantc | e.g. does it give the OS time to properly shut down? | 06:59 |
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| vagrantc | well, enough noise from me today ... will charge it with some sunshine tomorrow and see if i can't get it to recalibrate the batteries with hte shiny new firmware... | 07:04 |
| vagrantc | ACTION waves | 07:04 |
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| chartreuse | Well didn't see your message, but if you're reading this in the logs, the option in the keyboard is a hard power-off. | 07:10 |
| chartreuse | Though if you shutdown from linux it does tell the keyboard and LPC to go into low power mode now | 07:10 |
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| vagrantc | after upgrading the keyboard and lpc firmware, the battery status doesn't seem to display a meaningful percentage ... how long should i expect to wait till it recalibrates? | 23:21 |
| vagrantc | seems to also be running at -0.93 amps @ 28.75 volts ... which seems pretty steep for an idle system with just the battery display oled running | 23:22 |
| vagrantc | do i need to drain it a while and then charge it get the battery status to recalibrate? | 23:23 |
| vagrantc | hah | 23:23 |
| vagrantc | in the time it took to write all of that, it appears to have calibrated itself and now shows 99% | 23:24 |
| mntmn | vagrantc: a negative number means it is charging | 23:41 |
| mntmn | vagrantc: so the -0.93 amps is the amount going _into_ the battery | 23:41 |
| vagrantc | ah, my intuition is backwards :) | 23:46 |
| vagrantc | is the power-off button communicated to the OS so that it can shut down properly, or is it like pulling the plug? | 23:55 |
| mntmn | it's like pulling the plug | 23:57 |
| mntmn | but the other way round it should work | 23:57 |
| mntmn | like, sudo shutdown -h now | 23:57 |
| mntmn | this triggers a script | 23:57 |
| mntmn | /lib/systemd/system-shutdown/reform-poweroff | 23:58 |
| mntmn | and that sends the powerdown command to the keyboard & lpc | 23:58 |
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