| mntmn | we looked into wood recently and it's probably not a good material for hardware cases... to recycle it you need glue for example | 00:02 |
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| mntmn | aluminum is extremely recyclable | 00:03 |
| mntmn | not sure if the quote on wikipedia is reliable, but > Today, about 75 percent of all aluminum produced in history, nearly a billion tons, is still in use | 00:04 |
| technomancy | that's awesome | 00:04 |
| technomancy | I mean, wood is still a big step up from plastic | 00:05 |
| technomancy | but aluminum is better for this | 00:05 |
| mntmn | sure, wood is at least something you can regrow | 00:05 |
| technomancy | and it seems like you would need a lot thicker hardwood to get the strength you'd need for the reform case | 00:08 |
| technomancy | vs like ... a 300g keyboard for instance =) | 00:08 |
| mntmn | yeah | 00:09 |
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| erlehmann | i prefer to not have a wooden heatsink | 01:08 |
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| robin | this sounds interesting but is evidently at a very early stage: https://libre-soc.org/ | 06:48 |
| robin | (and of course there's already microwatt for fpgas and whatever the powerpc-notebook.org people are using, both of which have the distinct advantage of already existing) | 06:50 |
| robin | the powerpc notebook evidently uses the "NXP T2080 e6500 64-bit Power Architecture® Core Technology 4 x e6500 dual-threaded cores, low-latency backside 2MB L2 cache, 16GFLOPS x core" cpu, which has no gpu and, in their design, uses a traditional motherboard | 06:52 |
| robin | (per https://www.powerpc-notebook.org/faq/) | 06:52 |
| robin | which sounds like more appropriate for their project or the framework laptop than the reform | 06:53 |
| robin | but projects like microwatt could still be interesting for fpga soms | 06:54 |
| robin | s/like more/more/ | 06:54 |
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| robin | i don't quite get how this is feasible given the nature of libre-soc's TODO items, but there's this: https://hardware.slashdot.org/story/21/07/10/0154220/libre-socs-open-hardware-180nm-asic-submitted-to-imec-for-fabrication | 07:00 |
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| robin | this being an lkcl project automatically makes me a bit skeptical for various reasons, but a number of talented people and important groups seem to be involved, and if it works and and can be scaled down (nm-wise) and integrated into a reform-compatible som without running too hot...that's a very interesting alternative to arm | 07:06 |
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| alex4nder | hey | 10:47 |
| ex-parrot | hello | 10:53 |
| alex4nder | how goes the reform hacking? | 10:55 |
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| mntmn | alex4nder: goes well | 11:22 |
| mntmn | two major things ironed out now, "off" power draw and trackball smoothness | 11:23 |
| alex4nder | awesome | 11:26 |
| alex4nder | I'm looking forward to hacking on my own. | 11:27 |
| alex4nder | I'm in the late crowdsupply "retail" batch | 11:27 |
| vkoskiv | Same! | 11:28 |
| mntmn | these batches will already include the new trackball version and firmware versions | 11:43 |
| alex4nder | oh coo | 11:44 |
| alex4nder | l | 11:44 |
| vkoskiv | Great to hear, I was going to do the mod anyway | 12:02 |
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| Kooda | Just flashed my Reform’s LPC+keyboard for the powersave modes. Slight annoyance with the update: you can’t turn on the Reform without the batteries installed anymore. | 19:10 |
| Ar|stote|is | Any place to get ahold of batteries in Europe? Locally (Greece) I can't seem to find those, and the only one LiFePO4 I could see was less mah too. | 19:15 |
| Lewis[m] | I'm not sure, but the brand matches, maybe these ones are the ones in the images on the reform website? https://eu.nkon.nl/rechargeable/jgne-18650-1800mah-5-4a-lifepo4.html | 19:27 |
| erlehmann | > you can’t turn on the Reform without the batteries installed anymore | 19:28 |
| erlehmann | Kooda can you figure out why that is the case? | 19:28 |
| erlehmann | it sounds a bit weird | 19:29 |
| Kooda | erlehmann: I suspect this part of the change is the culprit: “In undervoltage condition, LPC turns off the SoM autonomously.” | 19:35 |
| Kooda | Without batteries, every cell reads as 0V | 19:35 |
| Ar|stote|is | Lewis[m]: hm thanks for that, I guess I'll order 9 a replacement for my dead one and one for each and every battery. | 19:40 |
| Ar|stote|is | hm i wonder if you could take one battery bank off replace the batteries and plug it in to have unlimited battery run time | 19:41 |
| Ar|stote|is | if anyone else has another source for batteries, either the same or higher capacity ones please say so. | 19:42 |
| Ar|stote|is | Is there a way to have the reform cut off power when the cells are too low in voltage? I haven't used mine much since 3 cells were drained too much, I could revive 2 of them but the third is reading almost 0V no matter how many times and how long I tried to trickle charge it | 19:43 |
| Ar|stote|is | are there any other ways of trying to restore a dead/drained lifepo4 battery ? | 19:44 |
| mntmn | Kooda: sorry, i just noticed that i forgot to push a fix for that before | 19:44 |
| mntmn | Kooda: but i just merged that... so if you flash your LPC again it should be fixed | 19:44 |
| Kooda | mntmn: awesome, thanks :) | 19:46 |
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