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| technomancy | anyone remapped the ` key? it's some serious acrobatics to hit that together with shift... | 18:06 |
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| mntmn | anyone tried it on reform yet? https://waydro.id/ | 19:32 |
| mntmn | technomancy: remap with xkb? | 19:33 |
| technomancy | oh no I meant more like ... did anyone have suggestions of where to move it | 19:34 |
| technomancy | oh, it's worse on my machine because I turned that weird key between shift and Z into shift and got rid of the original shift | 19:35 |
| mntmn | ah, that "weird" key is to support stuff like QWERTZ | 19:47 |
| mntmn | which has <> there | 19:48 |
| technomancy | I should probably just move shift to the thumb | 19:48 |
| mntmn | one of the space bars for shift? | 19:50 |
| mntmn | could be neat | 19:50 |
| mntmn | i feel like i use only the right spacebar | 19:50 |
| technomancy | I already made the left one into backspace =) | 19:50 |
| mntmn | (i'm mostly right handed) | 19:50 |
| mntmn | ah :D | 19:50 |
| technomancy | but shift is maybe more important | 19:50 |
| technomancy | half my deletions are C-M-h instead of backspace anyway | 19:51 |
| doppler | who makes typos anyhow | 19:51 |
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| + savely (~savely@62.113.119.217) | 20:31 | |
| savely | hi there, i am new to ARM and u-boot so wanted to ask question. as far as i got "Image" file in root directory is a kernel and u-boot boots it directly. personally i like Arch so thought it's enougth to just copy Image, dts files and bootstrap basic utilities to start, but it seems like it is not. am i correct? if yes, then how does it diffucult to | 20:36 |
| savely | port Arch or any other distro? | 20:36 |
| mntmn | savely: by root directory you mean the SD card, yes? | 20:37 |
| mntmn | savely: do you get any error messages? | 20:37 |
| mntmn | savely: i mean, the kernel should load anyway and show you output on the dispaly | 20:37 |
| mntmn | display | 20:37 |
| savely | yes, but i personally got just a blank, turned off display | 20:38 |
| savely | but leds at motherboard was on | 20:38 |
| mntmn | savely: then the kernel doesn't load | 20:39 |
| savely | hm, what could be wrong? | 20:39 |
| mntmn | savely: how did you flash u-boot to the SD card? | 20:39 |
| mntmn | savely: and where did you get the Image and the dtb file? and what is the name of the dtb file? | 20:39 |
| savely | mkfs.ext4 and just copied Image + dts-files | 20:39 |
| mntmn | so how did you install u-boot? | 20:40 |
| mntmn | or did you keep the original sd card and only formatted the partition? | 20:40 |
| savely | oh, seems like i am not | 20:40 |
| savely | no, i have formatted SD-card enritely | 20:40 |
| mntmn | where did you copy Image and the dtb (not dts!) files from and how are they called? | 20:40 |
| savely | sure, dtb (just confused with directory name) | 20:41 |
| mntmn | where did you get the dtb files from? did you save them from the original SD card? | 20:42 |
| savely | i have just copied them inside root of sd-card, just like it was from the box | 20:42 |
| mntmn | ok that's what i wanted to know | 20:42 |
| savely | yes! i save them from sd-card | 20:42 |
| mntmn | ok so you only need to write u-boot to the correct sector on the sd card then | 20:42 |
| mntmn | wait a moment | 20:42 |
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| savely | i am already recreate SD-card from artifacts from gitlab ci/cd and it works as it is expected, but still want to try arch :) | 20:43 |
| mntmn | savely: ah so you need flash.bin from here https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-system-image/-/jobs/426/artifacts/browse/reform2-imx8mq/u-boot/ | 20:43 |
| mntmn | that is u-boot | 20:43 |
| mntmn | and then do sudo dd if=flash.bin of=/dev/sdx bs=1024 seek=33 | 20:44 |
| mntmn | where sdx is the sd card drive | 20:44 |
| mntmn | (not the partition, but root of the device) | 20:44 |
| savely | so i need to create partition with 1024 padding? | 20:44 |
| mntmn | more | 20:45 |
| savely | oh, yes it seems so, i am starting to understand | 20:45 |
| mntmn | 4MiB offset | 20:45 |
| savely | thanks! | 20:45 |
| mntmn | in mkimage.sh we use "mkpart primary ext4 4MiB -1s" | 20:45 |
| mntmn | and partition table is MBR | 20:46 |
| mntmn | (DOS) | 20:46 |
| savely | yeah, also used MBR | 20:46 |
| savely | mntmn also do i understand corretly that i cannot use btrfs and other FS because u-boot has driver only for ext4? it's seems to be similar with UEFI and direct kernel loading with efistub | 20:47 |
| mntmn | yeah but you could just make a second partition | 20:47 |
| mntmn | just the first partition needs to be ext4 | 20:48 |
| mntmn | the one with the kernel + dtb | 20:48 |
| savely | makes sense | 20:48 |
| mntmn | but in the end you might want to use a NVMe SSD for your system and you can use any fs on that... | 20:48 |
| savely | oh, i am already | 20:48 |
| mntmn | ah ok | 20:48 |
| mntmn | so the partition with Image + .dtb is only for booting | 20:48 |
| mntmn | ok and on the stock system it is for running the demo/install system | 20:49 |
| savely | yep, i have just screwed up with u-boot part | 20:50 |
| savely | thanks for the help, will definitely try! | 20:50 |
| mntmn | good luck! | 20:53 |
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| Lewis[m] | mntmn: I hope you're evening is going okay, I was wondering if there are any updates re: offering the reform via https://shop.mntmn.com, whether that is still planned or whether I've missed an alteration in the plans regarding crowd supply and ordering etc. | 21:04 |
| mntmn | Lewis[m]: hi, absolutely planned for the very near future (next week maybe) | 21:04 |
| mntmn | just too much on the plate r/n | 21:04 |
| Lewis[m] | yeah, no worries at all, I had hoped that it was busy-ness, or otherwise that it was delayed, rather than it being off the table and that I'd missed an update somewhere. :) | 21:05 |
| Lewis[m] | this is definitely a more tangentially related-to-reform question, but how did you go about learning how to build a laptop? (I've been a web dev, and now SRE, for most of the past decade, and set myself a goal for the current decade to try to build my own laptop, and the Reform looks like an excellent way of starting to learn what the various systems and subsystems do). Do you have any book recommendations or otherwise things to experience? | 21:07 |
| mntmn | yeah, i guess we should communicate more | 21:08 |
| mntmn | well, Reform and its handbook might be a pretty good starting point ^^ also previous, similar projects like Novena and its documentation | 21:08 |
| mntmn | or Teres-1 | 21:09 |
| technomancy | IMO building keyboards is a great place to start. it's electrically trivial but you still need skills around soldering, design, fabrication, etc. | 21:09 |
| mntmn | otherwise, there are many layers, from user research, product design, prototyping, electronics, embedded, system software etc | 21:10 |
| technomancy | (speaking as someone who has constructed hundreds of keyboards by hand but is still far away from designing anything half as complex as a laptop) | 21:10 |
| mntmn | that's true, the first thing i did in this direction was a keyboard, and also doing stuff like bit-banging VGA with arduino | 21:10 |
| Lewis[m] | I've pieced together mechanical keyboard kits and soldered them, and only got cold solder joints on a few switches first time. :D I'm also working my way through ben eater's build your own 8 bit CPU kit. | 21:11 |
| mntmn | i made a complete weird-computer using arduino back in the day that had ps/2 keyboard, VGA output and could read/write to FAT filesystem on sd card | 21:11 |
| mntmn | that was certainly fun! | 21:11 |
| technomancy | maybe build an rc-2014 | 21:11 |
| technomancy | https://rc2014.co.uk/ | 21:11 |
| Lewis[m] | my goal with the laptop project is to go through from "how does a transistor work" up to "how to design an actual product". | 21:12 |
| technomancy | oh oh oh | 21:12 |
| technomancy | nand2tetris for sure | 21:12 |
| mntmn | yeah | 21:12 |
| Lewis[m] | so there're bits and pieces of all kinds of things. My dream goal that I'm not sure how well I'll be able to realise in the 10 year timeframe is to write every line of code on electronics I've designed. | 21:12 |
| Lewis[m] | nand2tetris is the basis of the ben eater "kit" | 21:13 |
| technomancy | Lewis[m]: so your goal is to be a full-stack developer then it sounds like? | 21:13 |
| Lewis[m] | yep | 21:13 |
| technomancy | awesome | 21:13 |
| Lewis[m] | I emailed mntmn a while ago about any jobs that they have on offer, because it's an excellent place to get involved with all of that sort of stuff, but I think a lot of it will be "take time off work and go through a project full-time", because that's few and far between | 21:14 |
| Lewis[m] | I don't know how widespread it is, but I'm definitely looking forward to https://osfc.io 2021 (potentially november) where I don't understand the ins and outs of most of it, but the entire firmware community is doing some really cool things | 21:15 |
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| + savely (~savely@62.113.119.217) | 22:41 | |
| + ggoes (~gregf@fsf/staff/ggoes) | 22:42 | |
| savely | mntmn well now it boots! but i am getting kernel panic, "Requested init /sbin/reform-init failed (-2)", of course i've installed reform-tools and script should work as expected | 22:43 |
| savely | . i am currently starting to suspect that imx8m has armhf not arm64, but i'm not sure... | 22:44 |
| mntmn | what no. | 22:44 |
| mntmn | imx8m is arm64 | 22:44 |
| savely | oh cool :) | 22:44 |
| mntmn | the /sbin/reform-init is a bash script | 22:44 |
| mntmn | is it there, and executable? | 22:44 |
| mntmn | ah no it uses busybox | 22:45 |
| mntmn | so it expects /bin/busybox to be there | 22:45 |
| savely | for start i wanted to try with debian, so i used debootstrap to bootstrap base system, i've added you repo and installed reform-tools from it, /sbin contains reform-init script for sure | 22:46 |
| mntmn | yeah busybox is missing then | 22:46 |
| mntmn | it is a missing dependency of reform-tools | 22:46 |
| mntmn | writing this down. | 22:46 |
| savely | oh, reform-tools had a ton of deps like X, wayland and video drivers, so i thought it definitely has everything | 22:47 |
| mntmn | no | 22:47 |
| mntmn | > Depends: bash | 22:47 |
| mntmn | that's the only dependency | 22:47 |
| savely | mntmn hm https://gist.github.com/L11R/43b4bc626f5c00e1d0a2776bcb3be0ac | 22:48 |
| mntmn | ahhh probably because > Recommends: reform-handbook | 22:49 |
| mntmn | anyway busybox is missing | 22:50 |
| savely | finally | 22:50 |
| savely | it works! | 22:50 |
| mntmn | what did you do? | 22:50 |
| mntmn | install busybox? :3 | 22:50 |
| savely | installed busybox :) | 22:50 |
| savely | would be nice to add it as a dep | 22:50 |
| mntmn | yes, i wrote that down in my TODO list | 23:16 |
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