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| vkoskiv | Any of you travelled with a reform? Wondering what airport security would make of a thick laptop with visible cells like that :D | 10:02 |
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| technomancy | I'm definitely cutting a replacement bottom plate for it before I fly next! | 16:39 |
| jackhill | can't the xray machines see through an opaque bottom plate? | 16:40 |
| sknebel | of course, but batteries aren't an unusual sight for xray operators | 16:41 |
| technomancy | it's not the x-ray machines I'm worried about | 16:41 |
| jackhill | at one point they let me take a loose spare battery for a dell laptop. I was sort of surprised at that. Although I guess not enough not to try ;) | 16:43 |
| vkoskiv | I'm curious about the limits of that weird 100Wh limit in the states | 16:45 |
| vkoskiv | If I take the cells out of my laptop and put them in a plastic bag, is that now a 'separate device'? | 16:45 |
| jackhill | that seems … less safe. My money on the 100Wh limit is to harras wheel chair users. Well, and batteries can be dangerous | 16:46 |
| sknebel | if you take them out of the laptop, they are loose batteries, which usually are more heavily restricted | 16:47 |
| technomancy | you can bet the TSA has no idea about the relative fire danger of LiPoly vs LiFe unfortunately | 16:47 |
| mntmn | i guess there are rules for traffic safety | 16:47 |
| sknebel | lots of battery regulation is weird in that battery in a device is considered to be safer than outside | 16:47 |
| vkoskiv | My work laptop has like a 99.x Wh batter to stay juuust under that limit. I don't think you could drive a wheelchair for long at all with that amount of energy | 16:47 |
| mntmn | reform has like 40Wh | 16:48 |
| vkoskiv | I'll probably print a holder case for 18650 cells when I get my reform order in | 16:48 |
| mntmn | currently bootstrapping the reform camera :3 | 16:48 |
| sknebel | (e.g. from what I've heard from unis messing with electric cars, its a lot more annoying to get a shipment of lithium cells than to ship a "prototype electric car some students build" after you put the batteries in | 16:49 |
| vkoskiv | Fun! I saw that recent stream where you showed it off a bit | 16:49 |
| vkoskiv | How does it connect to the laptop? Externally? | 16:49 |
| vkoskiv | I think I spotted an USB-C connector on there | 16:50 |
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| vkoskiv | mntmn: The DIY kit doesn't include the power supply and SD card, right? | 17:25 |
| vkoskiv | Not that I don't already have a zillion suitable ones, but I can't see a way to get one separately | 17:25 |
| mntmn | vkoskiv: ? | 17:25 |
| mntmn | vkoskiv: it does include both these | 17:26 |
| vkoskiv | The crowdsupply page doesn't list them in the DIY kit on the front page there | 17:26 |
| mntmn | that is true | 17:26 |
| vkoskiv | The manual book is separate as well, right? | 17:26 |
| mntmn | this needs to be changed, thanks for the heads up | 17:26 |
| mntmn | manual is separate yes | 17:26 |
| vkoskiv | I'll get that one a bit later then. | 17:27 |
| vkoskiv | Order is placed - now to play the waiting game! | 18:02 |
| mntmn | cool, thanks! | 18:30 |
| mntmn | reforms are being built as we speak ;) | 18:30 |
| vkoskiv | You're still building them in-house? | 19:04 |
| vkoskiv | I was planning on making a proper assembly video once I get mine | 19:04 |
| vkoskiv | But yeah. Incredibly cool project, happy to participate! | 19:05 |
| vkoskiv | I'm expecting performance of the current SoM to be roughly on par with a rpi 3 or something like that | 19:06 |
| chartreuse | Roughly that yeah, maybe a tiny bit faster | 19:53 |
| chartreuse | Certainly feels better in use at least in my experiance | 19:53 |
| chartreuse | technomancy: If you make a metal one, make sure to line it with plastic or paper so it can't press into the battery contacts | 19:54 |
| technomancy | chartreuse: oh haha nah I'd be cutting it on my home laser; it'd be acrylic | 19:55 |
| technomancy | I guess I could do it in wood but that'd be kinda weird | 19:55 |
| chartreuse | I was thinking about an aluminum base, but figured it | 19:55 |
| chartreuse | it's too risky with the battery contacts | 19:55 |
| chartreuse | The acrylic has proven to be way more durable than I would have expected. | 19:55 |
| technomancy | I've built loads of acrylic keyboards. it's fine until you drop it. | 19:56 |
| technomancy | if you drop it, well then the advantage of acrylic is it's real easy to replace =) | 19:56 |
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| vkoskiv | Could do like Apple does - Aluminium backplate with a lining of thin plastic sheet where sensitive portions are. | 20:19 |
| vkoskiv | I'm barely competent enough to operate my 3D printer, so I'm steering clear of milling metal for the time being. | 20:22 |
| khm | I'm making mine out of garolite. | 20:23 |
| vkoskiv | The PCB stuff? | 20:24 |
| khm | yep. | 20:25 |
| khm | G10 is machineable, rigid, and lightweight | 20:26 |
| vkoskiv | And you can get it in all sorts of colours | 20:27 |
| vkoskiv | Just saw the maker's muse video about it | 20:27 |
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| khm | I have a buddy who retrofits high-res screens into old thinkpads as a hobby | 20:28 |
| khm | he uses garolite for all kinds of case modifications and replacements, it works well | 20:28 |
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| vkoskiv | chartreuse: You happen to have the models for that trackball housing mod you did? | 20:34 |
| vkoskiv | I'll likely print something very similar when I get mine | 20:34 |
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| mntmn | you could also spray paint the bottom to make it opaque, maybe even from the inside | 20:47 |
| mntmn | if you don't want the transparency | 20:48 |
| vkoskiv | I want the transparency - Just not during airport security checks :D | 20:48 |
| bluerise | foil? :P | 20:49 |
| vkoskiv | That makes it even more suspicious | 20:49 |
| vkoskiv | I mean, the people at boston logan swabbed my MacBook Pro for drugs in a separate screening | 20:49 |
| bluerise | heh | 20:49 |
| vkoskiv | So if that's suspicious, then I don't know what they'll think of a reform | 20:50 |
| bluerise | I once flew from one German airport to another and back home. | 20:50 |
| bluerise | I had two nice ALIX machines with me... and they only swabbed it on the flight back home | 20:50 |
| bluerise | Obviously I'd blow up the return flight, right? | 20:51 |
| vkoskiv | To be fair to the security people, I was kind of weird during that check | 20:51 |
| bluerise | :D | 20:51 |
| vkoskiv | I had like 6 laptops with me, two of them 15+ years old | 20:51 |
| vkoskiv | And then I just had a bunch of loose corn in my bags | 20:51 |
| vkoskiv | Like cobs of corn | 20:51 |
| technomancy | wait what | 20:51 |
| vkoskiv | ye | 20:51 |
| vkoskiv | They have nice, fresh local corn over there in the states. Wanted to bring some back with me | 20:52 |
| khm | but then it's not fresh OR local | 20:52 |
| vkoskiv | And the laptops, longer story. Two work laptops, personal laptop and then I brought some collectible laptops back as well. | 20:52 |
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| vkoskiv | Fresher than what we have in northern europe. It was some damn good corn. | 20:53 |
| khm | it better be, for the amount of tax dollars we pour into subsidizing it! | 20:53 |
| khm | :) | 20:53 |
| vkoskiv | Everything is crazy amazing cheap over there in the states | 20:53 |
| vkoskiv | Jealous. But not jealous about many other things, so I guess it evens out. | 20:54 |
| technomancy | I'd take health care over corn I guess | 20:54 |
| khm | eat enough corn syrup and you will | 20:54 |
| vkoskiv | We have 24% VAT here | 20:55 |
| vkoskiv | And electricity is literally just taxed twice over for no reason | 20:55 |
| vkoskiv | You pay electricity tax *and* VAT for that electricity, which makes no sense. | 20:55 |
| vkoskiv | But, this is veering off-topic. | 20:55 |
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| mntmn | btw i did fly with reform already, but i had it checked in | 21:01 |
| mntmn | several times | 21:01 |
| mntmn | like, in the suitcase. | 21:01 |
| mntmn | didn't try it on board yet. but also not eager to fly in the pandemic r/n | 21:02 |
| vkoskiv | I probably won't get my unit before it, but I am flying to Pakistan soon for work | 21:03 |
| vkoskiv | I'll have to convince the security in islamabad to not put my photographic film through their x-ray machine | 21:03 |
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| mntmn | vkoskiv: interesting | 21:54 |
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| chartreuse | vkoskiv: Yes I posted them on the forum in a post I made, they're also on my source.mnt.re page | 23:51 |
| chartreuse | I don't think I uploaded a version for 1.5mm but in the forum post I listed what values to change to what for that | 23:51 |
| chartreuse | Flying to the middle east with the exposed battery cells like that doesn't seem like the best idea XD | 23:52 |
| chartreuse | At least it's not israel | 23:52 |
| savely | hi, do i understand correcly that shipped kernel does not support wireguard? afaik 5.6+ should have it out of the box, but i cannot made it work | 23:52 |
| chartreuse | The kernel is configured with a lot of stuff disabled, but you can enable them by recompiling it | 23:52 |
| chartreuse | I found that it was missing native NFS support so I added that to mine | 23:52 |
| chartreuse | It's not using initrd so everything is baked into the kernel so it helps to be a bit pickier | 23:53 |
| chartreuse | https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-system-image | 23:53 |
| savely | but i see CONFIG_WIREGUARD=y in kernel options from repository... | 23:54 |
| chartreuse | Hmm possibly some other dependency missing? I'd give it a try myself with my VPS but I'm running a custom built 5.14 kernel instead of the stock one | 23:54 |
| savely | after trying wg-quick up i am getting this: [#] nft -f /dev/fd/63 | 23:55 |
| chartreuse | Is the issue with a script that's trying to `modprobe wireguard` or something quick? | 23:55 |
| chartreuse | Since the module is compiled into the kernel modprobe won't work | 23:55 |
| savely | /dev/fd/63:5:1-98: Error: Could not process rule: No such file or directory | 23:55 |
| savely | so there is no some critical for wg file descriptor | 23:56 |
| chartreuse | Hmm, I assume you have your conf file already setup and such | 23:56 |
| savely | yep, of course | 23:57 |
| chartreuse | Is there any other debug messages it spits out before that? | 23:57 |
| chartreuse | Just looking in the source for that to see how that happens | 23:57 |
| chartreuse | I don't see the string "could not process rule" in wg-quick so that must be happening in nft instead | 23:58 |
| chartreuse | Maybe check if nftables is enabled in the kernel config? | 23:59 |
| chartreuse | Just checked, it seems to be there. So that's not it | 23:59 |
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