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| midfavila | Out of curiosity, what happened to the SATA connection on the alpha Reforms? I don't seem to recall any blogposts explaining where it went, but I might have missed one | 00:53 |
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| mntmn | midfavila: that was i.mx6. it has sata. i.mx8m hasn't | 00:55 |
| mntmn | ls1028a has sata though. | 00:55 |
| midfavila | Ah, makes sense. I'll have to look into that SoC then. Would be cool if one could wire up a SATA and two expansion cards, instead of just the one and an M.2 drive. | 00:57 |
| * erle -> erlehmann | 01:09 | |
| mntmn | with the ls1028a sata will be in the m.2 slot. | 01:13 |
| midfavila | Yeah, I figured. Otherwise the mainboard would have to be redesigned - still, I can dream! Looking at picking up a Reform soon regardless. | 01:14 |
| chartreuse | Could have been a nice future proofing if there was edge connector pins to spare. 4 pcie lanes to the nvme, as well as sata | 01:31 |
| midfavila | Well, there's nothing saying that down the line alternative system boards couldn't be developed, I bet. The other day I was actually thinking about how cool it would be to have a desktop replacement-style board - if the standard model is like a slim, compact X200 ThinkPad, such a hypothetical board could be more like a W or old-school A-series. Of course, would take a lot longer than to design a SoM... getting the standard model out | 01:34 |
| midfavila | first is a priority anyway | 01:34 |
| mntmn | yeah, remember the motherboard is OSHW, making variants is totally possible | 01:40 |
| mntmn | anyone can open the kicad file and edit those extra lanes in ^^ | 01:41 |
| midfavila | Mhm! That's what's had me excited about it for the past few years. If I knew my way around a HDL I'd totally work on it myself | 01:41 |
| midfavila | or, you know, electrical engineering in general, haha | 01:41 |
| mntmn | yeah, but depending on demand also group buys for modified versions are possible etc etc | 01:43 |
| mntmn | we are only scratching the surface of possibilities atm | 01:43 |
| midfavila | For sure. Actually, it reminds me a lot of the Dragonbox systems - not sure if you guys have seen them? | 01:43 |
| mntmn | pyra? | 01:44 |
| midfavila | Yeah, and the Pandora. | 01:44 |
| mntmn | yeah i am following these a bit and i tried one of the models at the last CCC | 01:45 |
| mntmn | before the pandemic... | 01:45 |
| midfavila | Oh, nice! How was it? | 01:45 |
| midfavila | The CCC and the Pyra | 01:45 |
| mntmn | my memory of the pyra is a bit faded, it felt pretty decent, i think we were trying to figure out how to navigate the desktop with joysticks or something | 01:46 |
| mntmn | the ccc was a blast ;_; | 01:46 |
| mntmn | hopefully we can have another one soon... | 01:46 |
| midfavila | Sounds about right. Iirc the left moves the cursor and the other is for omnidirectional scrolling - kind of a weird system | 01:47 |
| midfavila | And yeah, everything I've seen about the CCC seems awesome | 01:47 |
| mntmn | the pandemic is hurting us because a lot of networking and showing reform off opportunities were lost | 01:47 |
| midfavila | The 2020 one was kind of a let-down though... hopefully I can travel to Germany in the future. | 01:47 |
| midfavila | And I can only imagine! A lot of small businesses in my area have had to close shop because of it | 01:47 |
| mntmn | naja at least we were able to focus on shipping | 01:48 |
| mntmn | and we were extremely lucky we got our parts orders in right before the shortage became really bad | 01:49 |
| mntmn | it started already when the displays were suddenly much more expensive | 01:49 |
| midfavila | Yeah, I was actually wondering how the silicon issues would impact the Reform. Good that you got in early | 01:49 |
| mntmn | yeah | 01:50 |
| midfavila | Good to hear you've been able to ship without too much trouble though | 01:51 |
| midfavila | A lot of tech stuff ends up in development hell, which always sucks | 01:51 |
| mntmn | yeah | 01:52 |
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| mntmn | woah totally missed this https://community.mnt.re/t/enhanced-keyboard-oled-firmware/398 | 10:02 |
| Kooda | Yep, that’s cool :) | 10:04 |
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| mntmn | https://hackaday.com/2021/08/26/hands-on-mnt-reforms-the-laptop/ | 17:37 |
| midfavila | based | 17:37 |
| midfavila | hasn't hackaday covered the MNT before, too? | 17:37 |
| midfavila | (well, the Reform) | 17:37 |
| mntmn | i believe so, but not hands-on | 17:41 |
| midfavila | yeah, that's about what I remembered. cool that they came back for more | 17:42 |
| mntmn | yes | 17:43 |
| mntmn | usual complaints about 4GB of ram and cortex-a53 in the comments ;) | 17:43 |
| mntmn | first time i hear "lossy spring contacts" for the batteries LOL | 17:43 |
| mntmn | as if | 17:43 |
| midfavila | smh my head | 17:44 |
| midfavila | i feel like anyone who complains about the specs at launch is missing the whole point of the device | 17:44 |
| midfavila | it's really more about the ecosystem | 17:44 |
| mntmn | yeah, but that's maybe not easy to grasp | 17:46 |
| mntmn | also, you can't buy the upgraded modules from us yet, so i can understand the criticism | 17:46 |
| midfavila | Yeah, no, I do too | 17:46 |
| midfavila | It'll take a year or two to really get things rolling | 17:47 |
| midfavila | (or so I imagine) | 17:47 |
| mntmn | yeah idk about how this shortage thing will play out | 17:48 |
| mntmn | the LS1028A module with 8GB already exists (at least 1), and is currently in ddr4 bringup (after the engineers come back from vacation...) | 17:49 |
| mntmn | so if that works and everything checks out it will be a matter of getting that into production | 17:49 |
| midfavila | Cool. My only issue with the SoM design is that I can only use one, haha. | 17:50 |
| midfavila | The idea of a higher-end RISC module is just as tempting as the FPGA one. | 17:51 |
| jackhill | I haven't had any problem with the specs, but maybe it's because my previous laptop had the same problems (4G memory, old opengl only, limited hardware video encode) :) | 17:54 |
| mntmn | you just need more reforms obviously... | 17:54 |
| midfavila | right, of course, the obvious solution | 17:55 |
| midfavila | a reform for every room | 17:55 |
| mntmn | yeah | 17:55 |
| technomancy | jackhill: yeah same here. I've been rocking 4GB since forever. | 17:56 |
| technomancy | it has twice as many cores as my prev machine =D | 17:56 |
| midfavila | wao, double the cores | 17:56 |
| jackhill | technomancy: yep, and none of this funny busines speculative execution bugs :) | 17:56 |
| midfavila | my last machine only had four gigs and an L7500, and my current laptop's running an 800mhz dual-core, so there's not much competition, haha | 17:57 |
| mntmn | a million psychedelic colours | 17:58 |
| midfavila | *and* a PCI bus! | 17:58 |
| midfavila | fancy that | 17:58 |
| mntmn | hehehe | 18:02 |
| midfavila | I need to rewatch that movie soon. | 18:02 |
| mntmn | always a good idea! | 18:05 |
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| scops | hmmm do someone know what the blog url of the "pocket reform" is? | 20:39 |
| khm | https://pocket-reform.ghost.io | 20:41 |
| midfavila | hmm | 20:42 |
| midfavila | i wonder if it would be hard to alter such a device to function more like the old-school zaurus PDAs | 20:42 |
| bluerise | heh | 20:42 |
| midfavila | you can't tell me that that wouldn't be awesome | 20:42 |
| scops | ghost.io! yey... thanks :) | 20:43 |
| chartreuse | Speaking of old school, I think it'd be funny to use the fpga board to make the reform into a something running a vintage CPU. Portable 1GHz 8080 running CP/M :P | 21:20 |
| chartreuse | Or on the vein of MiSTer and running Atari ST or Amiga on it XD | 21:21 |
| midfavila | yeah man, I was thinking of trying that out with a Z80 | 21:21 |
| midfavila | getting CollapseOS running on the Reform would be really cool | 21:21 |
| midfavila | could probably set the FPGA up with a hardware lisp interpreter and run something like Genera on it... | 21:22 |
| midfavila | so many options | 21:22 |
| chartreuse | Probably would get poor battery life, but so be it | 21:26 |
| midfavila | well, getting it to work is a better first step than getting it to work well, you know? | 21:27 |
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| mntmn | chartreuse: i agree @ vintage | 22:26 |
| khm | the fpga is clearly for video game console emulation. | 22:27 |
| doppler | :) | 22:38 |
| chartreuse | Kinda the best use for the FPGA, playing around with either new ideas, or things that don't make sense | 22:42 |
| chartreuse | Like an emulated 68040 unix worstation, or even a PDP-11 or VAXen | 22:42 |
| chartreuse | I should start saving up now for when that's available, and practice VHDL again | 22:43 |
| midfavila | MIT 6.004 might help with that chartreuse | 22:43 |
| midfavila | freely-accessible hardware design course with (I think) VHDL | 22:44 |
| chartreuse | Yeah, though I do admit Verilog temps me with it's C like syntax | 22:45 |
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