| - wiedi (QUIT: Read error: Connection reset by peer) (~wiedi@37.228.191.159) | 00:12 | |
| + wiedi (~wiedi@37.228.191.159) | 00:12 | |
| - mjw (QUIT: Quit: Leaving) (~mark@83-161-179-12.mobile.xs4all.nl) | 00:14 | |
| + jcs (~jcs@jcs.org) | 00:55 | |
| + ndufresne5 (~ndufresne@halloumi.collabora.co.uk) | 01:19 | |
| - ndufresne (QUIT: Quit: Ping timeout (120 seconds)) (~ndufresne@halloumi.collabora.co.uk) | 01:20 | |
| * ndufresne5 -> ndufresne | 01:20 | |
| - erlehmann (QUIT: Ping timeout: 258 seconds) (~erle@dynamic-046-114-036-002.46.114.pool.telefonica.de) | 05:40 | |
| + erlehmann (~erle@dynamic-046-114-038-146.46.114.pool.telefonica.de) | 05:54 | |
| - wiedi (QUIT: Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com) (~wiedi@37.228.191.159) | 08:43 | |
| + wagga (~wagga@node-1w7jra22ildhwuwr9icph0af3.ipv6.telus.net) | 13:55 | |
| mntmn | reform is slowly making it into linux https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/next/linux-next.git/tree/arch/arm64/boot/dts/freescale/imx8mq-mnt-reform2.dts | 16:12 |
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| mntmn | no display yet though, and a sound patch was just accepted | 16:12 |
| doppler | exciting! | 16:15 |
| - erlehmann (QUIT: Quit: Just say no, then the virus can not enter your body without your consent.) (~erle@dynamic-046-114-038-146.46.114.pool.telefonica.de) | 16:44 | |
| - wagga (QUIT: Ping timeout: 246 seconds) (~wagga@node-1w7jra22ildhwuwr9icph0af3.ipv6.telus.net) | 16:46 | |
| + erlehmann (~erle@dynamic-046-114-038-146.46.114.pool.telefonica.de) | 17:11 | |
| - erlehmann (QUIT: Client Quit) (~erle@dynamic-046-114-038-146.46.114.pool.telefonica.de) | 17:13 | |
| - V (QUIT: Ping timeout: 258 seconds) (~v@anomalous.eu) | 17:48 | |
| + wagga (~wagga@node-1w7jra22ildhwz3bljfcm28nt.ipv6.telus.net) | 17:49 | |
| chartreuse | Nice to slowly see everything mainlined | 19:04 |
| chartreuse | Going to see about implementing the power saving on the keyboard, might even see if some other lower power state can be used occasionally between scanning the keyboard and waiting for usb. | 19:05 |
| chartreuse | Though that would be a secondary aspect | 19:05 |
| + reform9725 (~pitz@tmo-118-13.customers.d1-online.com) | 19:57 | |
| chartreuse | Just get your reform? | 20:01 |
| reform9725 | I have my reform since Mar 11 | 20:04 |
| chartreuse | Ah nice, just was wondering with the username since you didn't change the IRCII config | 20:05 |
| chartreuse | Got mine last week and have been using it daily since then | 20:05 |
| reform9725 | it is many years since i used irc any more. i have completly forgotten all commands | 20:07 |
| technomancy | been using mine as my daily driver since late june | 20:07 |
| * reform9725 -> pitz | 20:08 | |
| chartreuse | I'd have gotten mine earlier if I was in Europe :P I think I just missed out on the first batch to NA, IIRC #76 or such | 20:09 |
| chartreuse | Can't remember where the serial number was written at the moment | 20:09 |
| pitz | The reform is not my main computer, but i use it regulary. I like it | 20:09 |
| chartreuse | If you want to set the nick for everytime you use it, you can add "nick pitz" to ~/.ircrc | 20:10 |
| chartreuse | I wouldn't call it my main computer, but I've been trying to do most things from it lately | 20:11 |
| technomancy | chartreuse: pretty sure that kind of functionality depends on your client | 20:11 |
| pitz | I had a little bit trouble with fully empty batteries. I had to charge them outside the reform, because it did not recognise them. | 20:11 |
| technomancy | I mean, only certain clients will use ~/.ircrc | 20:12 |
| chartreuse | Yeah but that's for ircII which is what's default on the reform if you type reform-chat | 20:12 |
| technomancy | oh haha, so there's a built-in shell script or alias? | 20:13 |
| chartreuse | I'm using irssi who's config is .irssi/config | 20:13 |
| chartreuse | Yeah, it mentions it when you login from a tty | 20:13 |
| technomancy | I've never actually connected to IRC directly from my reform | 20:13 |
| chartreuse | Oh you probably have to modify /usr/bin/reform-chat | 20:13 |
| chartreuse | It contains: irc -c '#mnt-reform' -p 6697 reform$RANDOM SSLIRC/irc.libera.chat | 20:14 |
| technomancy | I just mosh into a tmux session that has had my client running for years | 20:14 |
| chartreuse | Yeah I really should do that at some point so I never miss messages when offline, but I've never bothered with that for IRC | 20:14 |
| chartreuse | Since I mainly used hexchat on other laptops, but I'm getting to like irssi again | 20:14 |
| chartreuse | The reform$RANDOM part of that command is the nickname you join with, so if you see reform0000 that's someone using that script | 20:15 |
| technomancy | oh haha nice. | 20:15 |
| technomancy | it's a nice touch that the machine tells you how to connect with the community every time you log in; I love that | 20:16 |
| + wiedi (~wiedi@2a01:138:a015:15:8525:c969:75be:1b37) | 20:16 | |
| pitz | Do you have a trackball or the trackpad? | 20:17 |
| chartreuse | I have the trackball | 20:18 |
| technomancy | same | 20:18 |
| chartreuse | I do intend to try and modify it with chrome steel ball bearings once those get here though. I'd personally like a much smoother feel | 20:18 |
| chartreuse | Print out a new shell with spaces for them and experiment | 20:18 |
| doppler | I'd like to do the same; mine binds up quite often | 20:19 |
| pitz | I have the trackball too - it reminds me to my very old Mac Laptop i had | 20:19 |
| technomancy | I love how there's so many ways in which the reform is like "wow, this is much better than literally any other machine I've ever used--but here's how I want to make it better" | 20:19 |
| chartreuse | I've got a Mac PowerBook Duo 230 with the trackball, always liked them | 20:19 |
| chartreuse | Well currently not better in standby battery life, though I'm working on fixing that with at least the keyboard controller | 20:19 |
| chartreuse | Also have what is probably the last commercial laptop with a trackball, the Dell XPi CD | 20:20 |
| chartreuse | Though I guess now the reform takes that crown | 20:20 |
| pitz | I had a PowerBook 180c | 20:20 |
| technomancy | 540c was peak powerbook in every respect other than not having a trackball | 20:21 |
| chartreuse | I recently recapped my 230c and it's been nice and reliable and the screen got a little better after fixing its leaky electrolytics | 20:22 |
| chartreuse | Got my own dial up internet server so I can use it as intended and not always docked | 20:22 |
| chartreuse | Makes for a good irc machine | 20:22 |
| pitz | the 540 was a very modern machine in some ways | 20:23 |
| technomancy | was the 230 the one Crash Override had in Hackers? | 20:23 |
| chartreuse | I think it was a different one, one of the colour models. The 230c is monochrome | 20:23 |
| chartreuse | Just looked it up, he had a clear 280c | 20:24 |
| chartreuse | The "Hack the Gibson" scene one is a 540c at the end of the film | 20:24 |
| technomancy | oh yeah, the clear one was the one the Plague bribed him with | 20:24 |
| chartreuse | Kate also has the 280c but not clear | 20:25 |
| chartreuse | Yep | 20:25 |
| chartreuse | Yeah the 540c is a really modern feeling laptop, especially with the trackpad, colour screen, fast 33MHz 040, | 20:25 |
| pitz | I used my 180c with externel monitor and external scsi disks very long | 20:26 |
| chartreuse | Still quite early 90s being with a 10" screen | 20:26 |
| pitz | and modem of cause | 20:26 |
| chartreuse | Yeah they were very useable machines till the internet started getting quite ahead of them by the mid 2000s | 20:27 |
| technomancy | 540 had onboard ethernet at least | 20:27 |
| chartreuse | I was given my Duo 230c in maybe 2003 or so as a young kid with the dock and I loved that thing | 20:27 |
| chartreuse | Though I didn't have it on the internet at that time despite it having an ethernet card in the dock | 20:27 |
| chartreuse | Something fun I picked up recently was an original Apple Airport, really shows how different a time 1999 was where you could have a wireless access point with built in 56k modem | 20:28 |
| + V (~v@anomalous.eu) | 20:29 | |
| pitz | the browser was quite a problem, i used that browser called *cap | 20:30 |
| pitz | damnd, what was the name? | 20:30 |
| chartreuse | iCab? | 20:30 |
| pitz | ah yah | 20:30 |
| chartreuse | Probably was one of the most advanced classic mac os browsers for the time, till RetroZilla was made/ported a number of years back | 20:30 |
| chartreuse | Though from what I remember quite a memory hog | 20:31 |
| + mjw (~mark@83-161-179-12.mobile.xs4all.nl) | 20:32 | |
| - V (QUIT: Remote host closed the connection) (~v@anomalous.eu) | 20:32 | |
| + V (~v@anomalous.eu) | 20:32 | |
| - V (QUIT: Remote host closed the connection) (~v@anomalous.eu) | 20:32 | |
| + V (~v@anomalous.eu) | 20:34 | |
| chartreuse | Hi, Bye, Hi, Bye, Hi V | 20:35 |
| pitz | bye | 20:36 |
| - pitz (QUIT: Quit: brb) (~pitz@tmo-118-13.customers.d1-online.com) | 20:36 | |
| + reform8054 (~pitz@tmo-118-13.customers.d1-online.com) | 20:37 | |
| * reform8054 -> pitz | 20:37 | |
| - pitz (QUIT: Client Quit) (~pitz@tmo-118-13.customers.d1-online.com) | 20:38 | |
| + reform20530 (~pitz@tmo-118-13.customers.d1-online.com) | 20:42 | |
| * reform20530 -> pitz | 20:42 | |
| - pitz (QUIT: Client Quit) (~pitz@tmo-118-13.customers.d1-online.com) | 20:43 | |
| V | hello :) | 20:44 |
| V | machine was stuck on 99% disk usage, and, uh | 20:44 |
| V | let's just say that broke a few things | 20:44 |
| + reform5681 (~pitz@tmo-118-13.customers.d1-online.com) | 20:44 | |
| * reform5681 -> pitz | 20:44 | |
| chartreuse | Probably need to just modify the reform-chat file to either take out the nickname (it should use you linux user name instead or what you put in the ircrc file), or add your desired name there | 20:45 |
| chartreuse | Yeah most machines don't like being anywhere near that full | 20:45 |
| chartreuse | That's why linux by default reserved 5% for root on partitions so that even if a user with no quota fucks it up. There's still room for root to login and fix everything | 20:46 |
| - pitz (QUIT: Client Quit) (~pitz@tmo-118-13.customers.d1-online.com) | 20:46 | |
| chartreuse | Always a good idea to check your disk usage occasionally, cause even that 5% for root can be filled up with logs or stuff | 20:49 |
| + reform5495 (~pitz@tmo-118-13.customers.d1-online.com) | 20:52 | |
| * reform5495 -> pitz | 20:52 | |
| - pitz (QUIT: Client Quit) (~pitz@tmo-118-13.customers.d1-online.com) | 20:53 | |
| + reform10897 (~pitz@tmo-118-13.customers.d1-online.com) | 20:53 | |
| * reform10897 -> pitz | 20:53 | |
| chartreuse | The file to look at is /usr/bin/reform-chat | 20:53 |
| chartreuse | It's the "reform$RANDOM" part of that | 20:54 |
| - ezequielg (QUIT: Ping timeout: 276 seconds) (sid363064@id-363064.highgate.irccloud.com) | 20:55 | |
| - nocko (QUIT: Ping timeout: 240 seconds) (sid501219@user/nocko) | 20:57 | |
| + ezequielg (sid363064@highgate.irccloud.com) | 20:59 | |
| - pitz (QUIT: Quit: Leaving) (~pitz@tmo-118-13.customers.d1-online.com) | 20:59 | |
| + reform29518 (~pitz@tmo-118-13.customers.d1-online.com) | 20:59 | |
| * reform29518 -> pitz | 20:59 | |
| + nocko (sid501219@user/nocko) | 20:59 | |
| - pitz (QUIT: Quit: Leaving) (~pitz@tmo-118-13.customers.d1-online.com) | 21:09 | |
| + reform2225 (~pitz@tmo-118-13.customers.d1-online.com) | 21:10 | |
| * reform2225 -> pitz | 21:10 | |
| pitz | i have the problem, that the one battery (first in the second column) drops form 3.1 volt to .1 instantly around 83% | 21:14 |
| chartreuse | Huh, have you tried shuffling that cell around, or leaving the laptop to charge at 100% for a while? | 21:16 |
| chartreuse | 3.1 is already quite low to be at 83% | 21:16 |
| chartreuse | I'm at 63% right now and my cells are all showing 3.2 | 21:16 |
| chartreuse | Is it the cell in the top right of the display? Because that volage disappears when the low battery symbol comes up | 21:17 |
| pitz | hmm i shuffled one or two times, but the problem stay on the same position | 21:17 |
| chartreuse | I kinda want to modify the code so the low battery shows up under the percentage so it's not overwriting that cell | 21:17 |
| pitz | yah is the top right battery (in the middle of the display | 21:18 |
| chartreuse | Might need to do a full charge cycle to get the capacity right again? Let the laptop go till you get the low battery warning then charge up to 100% and leave it there for a few hours+ | 21:18 |
| chartreuse | Yeah probably what's happening is the low battery symbol is overwriting the actual value, that's why you see the .1 | 21:19 |
| chartreuse | I noticed that as well | 21:19 |
| pitz | i don't see a low battery symbol | 21:19 |
| chartreuse | Weird, might need mntmn for that then. Because .1 appears on mine when that symbol shows since it blinks in that spot and erases the background | 21:19 |
| chartreuse | And the background never updates till you press circle+b again | 21:20 |
| chartreuse | The low battery symbol looks just like the cell symbol but shifted slightly to the right where the normal top right cell appears | 21:20 |
| pitz | a ok - thats what i see: a blinking battery symbol and the .1 | 21:21 |
| chartreuse | Yeah it thinks the entire battery is low, not just that one cell. That cell is likely at 0.1v | 21:22 |
| chartreuse | Er sorry 3.1v | 21:22 |
| pitz | i just had that lopw battery symbol than and i am charge now (unjtil 100%) | 21:22 |
| chartreuse | 3.1 is on the low side so that should be nearing the bottom. | 21:22 |
| chartreuse | I'd leave it charging for a while, might balance out the cells a bit more | 21:22 |
| pitz | ok | 21:23 |
| chartreuse | When you get that symbol are any of the other batteries at 3.0 or below? | 21:23 |
| pitz | no, they where at 3.1 | 21:23 |
| chartreuse | LiFePO4 batteries are weird in that they sit at basically the same voltage level for almost all of their discharge. So they'll charge up to around 3.2-3.3v and sit there for 80% or so of the discharge | 21:23 |
| pitz | and now (some minutes with power) between 3.3 3.5 | 21:24 |
| chartreuse | Yeah when charging they'll go over 3.3 a bit, but should stabalize out after a while to 3.3 maybe 3.4 | 21:24 |
| pitz | 2x 3.3 3x 3.4 3x 3.5 | 21:25 |
| chartreuse | Yeah that should be fine. I've seen them a bit unbalanced like that when charging, the balancing circuit should take care of it | 21:26 |
| chartreuse | (Granted I've only had mine a week, but have been careful and watching the batteries | 21:26 |
| chartreuse | I know LiFePO4 is a bit weird compared with normal laptop lithium ion's | 21:27 |
| pitz | one time, they where discharged, so that i had to charge them outside the reform (2,3V for some 5 minutes) | 21:27 |
| chartreuse | Ah okay, it's possible they got damaged if it was too long, but I think it might just be the charge controller confused at what 100% is at the moment | 21:27 |
| chartreuse | The keyboard controller and embedded controller right now draw too much power (I'm working on the former) when "off" and there's no undervoltage cutout on the board | 21:28 |
| chartreuse | I'm making a habbit to never leave it unplugged when off, at least until the standby draw is much much lower | 21:29 |
| pitz | ok, i thought my reformn was charged, but i left it form some one or two weeks - and it was completly discharged | 21:29 |
| pitz | for instead form | 21:30 |
| chartreuse | Yeah the keyboard controller could be drawing as much as 10mA when "off" since it never fully turns off at the moment. | 21:31 |
| pitz | ok, thank you for that info | 21:31 |
| chartreuse | At 3.3v, so at 26v for the boost converter that'd be some 1-2mA constant draw, which would empty the battery in 30-70 days. And there's also some other draws | 21:32 |
| chartreuse | A future revision with a low voltage cutout on the battery boards would be a nice safety upgrade to never discharge the cells beyond low | 21:33 |
| pitz | I have another question, maybe you know the answer: | 21:36 |
| chartreuse | Sure, I'll give it a shot | 21:36 |
| pitz | i start my linux form the internal ssd with full disk encryption (works fine) | 21:38 |
| pitz | do i still need the external SD-CARD in the slot for the boot process? | 21:39 |
| chartreuse | By default yes, the SoC still reads from the sd card during boot and uses that to find the boot device. You can move it to the 16GB emmc on the SoC though, and then you change a switch on the SoC to boot that instead | 21:39 |
| chartreuse | I believe it's mentioned in the manual, but there's also a community forum thread on doing that | 21:40 |
| pitz | ok tnx | 21:40 |
| chartreuse | I believe the full disk encryption booting part of the manual would apply and need to be setup on the emmc (The MNTRESCUE partition) then you flip the switch to change the initial boot device | 21:41 |
| pitz | i didn't knew that there is a extra 16GB on the SoC | 21:42 |
| chartreuse | I've still yet to do it myself | 21:42 |
| chartreuse | Yeah, that's the rescue partition by default, and not normally used. You can see it in the file manager or when doing `lsblk` | 21:42 |
| chartreuse | I want to swap over to that as well so I can use the SD card slot for getting photos off cameras and as expandable storage if needed. I've got an nVME as well | 21:43 |
| chartreuse | Though didn't encrypt it just yet as I was concerned on the performance impact with the A53 cpu | 21:43 |
| chartreuse | They should exist yeah. Though it's not hard to make your own with cheap IDC ribbon connectors from China and some 36 pin ribbon cable | 21:47 |
| chartreuse | Oops wrong channel XD | 21:48 |
| pitz | mmcblk1p1 SD-Card nvme0n1p1 SSD mmcblk0p1=rescue | 21:49 |
| pitz | ok thank you for the tips | 21:51 |
| chartreuse | No problem, hope it works out fine. The switch is a bit annoying to get to, but from the community thread it can be done by loosening the heatsink and reaching under without fully removing it | 21:53 |
| pitz | ok | 21:54 |
| chartreuse | And if you have problems just switch it back and it'll boot from the sd card | 21:58 |
| pitz | bye it's getting late here in berlin | 22:14 |
| technomancy | don't most laptops have wifi antennas around the screen? | 22:16 |
| - pitz (QUIT: Quit: Leaving) (~pitz@tmo-118-13.customers.d1-online.com) | 22:16 | |
| jcs | yes | 22:24 |
| bluerise | ohi jcs | 22:50 |
| bluerise | The trouble with adding antennas around the screen (and supplying WiFi cards) is certification | 22:55 |
| bluerise | Even if the module is certified, that doesn't make the whole machine certified | 22:55 |
| bluerise | so while antennas around the screen would have been nice, I understand why that step was skipped | 22:55 |
| bluerise | $employer's product went through CE, and our vendor did make it work, but I had so change a few values here and there for TX gain... | 22:56 |
| bluerise | and they had to run special tests and special firmware, ugh | 22:57 |
| + mark__ (~mark@83-161-181-105.mobile.xs4all.nl) | 23:09 | |
| - mjw (QUIT: Ping timeout: 268 seconds) (~mark@83-161-179-12.mobile.xs4all.nl) | 23:11 | |
| mntmn | also we would need to make some plastic opening in the screen then | 23:12 |
| mntmn | or else the antenna would be fully encased in aluminum | 23:13 |
| bluerise | true that | 23:21 |
| technomancy | so in other words it's a good aftermarket or black market mod? =) | 23:24 |
| chartreuse | To be fair if they could be mounted behind the LCD that'd be fine. I've got an older toughbook with them in the lid and it's a magnesium lid | 23:38 |
| chartreuse | For my reform though I bought the Laird one that mntmn recommended but also an extra single antenna Laird so that I could have 3x3 MIMO with my card | 23:39 |
| chartreuse | I went with the old ath9k based airport extreme card that was recommended initially with the reforms | 23:39 |
| chartreuse | Seems to work fine, though could still be stronger | 23:39 |
| chartreuse | Much better than the ebay special ones I hacked in | 23:40 |
| mntmn | chartreuse: did you perchance play with regulatory settings? | 23:55 |
| mntmn | maybe there's something to gain (pun intended) there | 23:55 |
| - mark__ (QUIT: Quit: Leaving) (~mark@83-161-181-105.mobile.xs4all.nl) | 23:55 | |
| chartreuse | Not really, I believe I set them to Canada, and don't really need to mess with the gain just yet. The output level has been fine so far | 23:56 |
| mntmn | ok | 23:57 |
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