2021-08-03.log

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waggaI don't see anyway to order a reform from the crowd supply site: https://www.crowdsupply.com/mnt/reform. Is there a way for me to order a reform right now? If not, then when will I be able to order a reform?02:28
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ex-parrothey wagga03:37
waggaHi ex-parrot03:37
ex-parrotMost of this channel isn’t around in this time zone, but if you hang around you’ll likely get a more definite answer 03:37
ex-parrotBut I believe it is meant to be “soonish”03:38
waggaOkay, would the correct place to watch for the next opportunity to make a purchase be https://www.crowdsupply.com/mnt/reform?03:46
Asmadeuswagga: afaik it will show up on the shop (shop.mntmn.com) once all crowdsupply orders have been fullfilled04:07
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ex-parrotDoes the red LED under lighting ever go out? 09:07
ex-parrotOr is that just an indicator that there is mains supply 09:08
mntmnwagga: are you on mobile? just click on "product choices" on the crowd supply page09:12
mntmnwagga: you can order there.09:13
ex-parrotweird thing I just noticed, the USB ports are "upside down" from the POV of my yubikey, the touch circle ends up facing down at the desk :P09:20
ex-parrotfinally got around to setting up my annoying GPG / yubikey SSH config so I can SSH in to my IRC box09:23
ex-parrotso these messages coming to you .... from my reform09:23
mntmnex-parrot: nice!!09:26
ex-parrotI feel like it's not as novel at this stage but I'm still digging it09:27
ex-parrotI borked my sway config so I just get a single terminal now, which is kind of zen I guess :P 09:28
mntmn:D09:28
ex-parrotdid some runs off battery and it doesn't seeeeeem like running them totally dry has harmed anything09:29
ex-parrotthough I'm not going to make a habit out of it09:30
mntmnok cool09:30
ex-parrotI am enjoying having proper keyswitches for the trackball, makes every click feel very important09:31
mntmni was thinking to make a mouse with this :D09:34
ex-parrotI have a box of the really clicky kailh switches, it's tempting to swap the trackball ones out09:35
ex-parrotidk though, these feel pretty damn good09:36
ex-parrotit took me a while to realise what the trackball "stance" is meant to be, I was treating it like a thinkpad nub mouse, with my pointer finger on the ball and thumb hitting the buttons below to the left / right09:37
ex-parrotI made a firmare mod to move the buttons around but now I'm not sure if I actually like it that way or not09:37
lastebilmntmn: now on machine #3 trying to build the image. Things that do not work, apparently:  1. doing this inside a virtual machine (kvm)   2. doing this on just 4GB ram (laptop)  So:  going for my 32gb rediculous gaming rig (friend made it for someone else, then that person backed out, sold to me for peanuts)12:19
mntmnnumber 3 sounds good!12:19
lastebilyes, if THAT fails, I'm going to have to do more investigation than just "ok fine let's try again"  (which is basically my mental state atm, sadly)12:20
mntmnlastebil: if it helps, there is an automated build process with logs from a big intel machine12:25
mntmnlastebil: ohh and ephase also made a complete alternative build process12:26
lastebilwhich is the alternative one?12:31
mntmnif only my memory was better12:45
mntmnlastebil: here is a raw log of the build process if it helps https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-system-image/-/jobs/410/raw12:50
lastebildanke, I will check.12:57
mntmnmaybe something small apt dependency broke in the meantime? did you get any interesting errors?13:01
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waggamntmn: From: https://www.crowdsupply.com/mnt/reform I do not see a way to order. I do see an Order Below heading to the right of 353% Funded. Scrolling all the way down to the page, I do not see an Add to Cart, or Order Now button. Maybe I am just skipping over it. Do I need to be signed in?13:27
mjwwagga, odd, there used to be a couple of variants (fully build, diy build) under that funded line which you could click to order, they seem to have disappeared.13:40
waggaMy laptop's nvme drive died this weekend. I have an almost dead alienware from 2009 as a pathetic backup. I am very eager to purchase a new laptop and would love it to be a reform. If I am likely going to have to wait months just to place an order I will probably have to order something else unfortunately. If anyone knows when the reform will be13:43
waggaavailable for order again please let me know.13:43
waggaI was also looking at the novena as an alternative, but their laptop spec is also not available for order right now. I guess my nvme drive picked a bad weekend to die on me.13:44
mjwwagga, If you idle here for a bit I am sure mntmn will show up with some explanation to how/where/when you can order.13:46
waggamjw: I will, thanks :-)13:46
waggaDoes anyone here have a novena? How does it compare to the reform? I was considering purchasing a novena for my kids. I thought that they might like it since the components are exposed for them to look at.13:48
mntmnwagga: hey, i wrote you back earlier13:54
mntmnwagga: are you on a computer or a phone?13:54
mntmnwagga: ohhh i see you are right, they removed the options to buy it13:54
mntmni think because the shop is being redesigned atm with new options13:55
mntmnwagga: novena is end of life, the laptop version will not come back13:55
mntmnsorry, i wasn't aware that the buying options were removed now13:57
waggamntmn: np. That is too bad that noena is end of life. I wonder why? Is reform planning on sticking around longer term?14:04
mntmnwagga: yes, we're planning to stick around longer term, that's why the cpu/ram is modular etc14:04
waggaThat is great! I can't wait to be able to put more than 4 GB of RAM into the reform, but I am willing to start with that.14:05
mntmnyeah, that's the idea!14:12
blueriselove the Reform's flexibility14:12
mntmnwagga: i have asked CS why the buy options are removed, hope to get an answer later today. it's still early on the US west coast i guess.14:58
waggamntmn: Thank you!15:00
sknebelmntmn: are you going to switch to selling directly once you are through with the preorders?15:18
sknebel(whichI guess bind you to CS for now?)15:18
mntmnsknebel: not switch. we will be an alternative, especially for EU15:19
mntmnlike, an alternative source15:19
mntmnCS will continue selling reforms15:19
sknebelah ok15:20
sknebelyeah, makes sense to keep them for internationally I guess, but on the flip side it'd be kind of a waste to go through them for local sales15:20
mntmnyeah. but without their support, we wouldn't have been able to make the initial batch of 450 units15:26
mntmnbecause they agreed to purchase quite some stock15:26
mntmnand i want them to be able to sell all their stock as well15:27
sknebelsure15:35
mntmnlastebil: found the link, but be aware this is totally untested by me, and produces a userland/filesystem "only", not the whole image15:35
mntmnlastebil: https://git.epha.se/ephase/reform2_mkuserland15:35
mntmnlastebil: ah, there is more https://git.epha.se/ephase/reform2_mkimage15:36
lastebilmntmn: ok, I shall look. I'm 95% through installing the debian bit now.15:53
lastebilit may actually be that all the things _I_ wanted were compiled just fine, but - as there was an error, I just... am going ahead and getting a 100% build before I start messing with it.15:55
lastebilthat seems... safest.15:55
mntmnok awesome. yes15:55
lastebil(this is competing for my attention today.  Chucky dropped off 2 Terrible Fire 1260's (:  )15:56
mntmn:D16:21
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mjwwagga, mntmn https://www.crowdsupply.com/mnt/reform has Pre-Order buttons again! \o/19:11
mntmnohh the new options are online19:11
waggaw00t! Thanks!19:19
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qbitoh heck20:21
ex-parrotwagga: I had a Novena, it was essentially a failure 20:48
ex-parrotI used it a couple of times but the software support never fully arrived in upstream Linux, the hardware was too slow (in particular if you had disk encryption enabled you get about 2.5 megabytes / second disk IO), and the hardware was just ridiculously fragile and impractical 20:49
technomancywant to buy my Novena? =)20:49
technomancyI made the mistake of buying the desktop edition so I couldn't even take it places =\20:50
ex-parrotThe battery died in mine and I could never get a replacement 20:50
waggaOh, that is too bad.20:50
ex-parrotI took mine out in my backpack a handful of times but the LCD was damaged immediately 20:50
waggaThat is disappointing. Well, I am super happy to be purchasing a reform. 20:51
ex-parrotcan confirm the Reform experience is immensely superior 20:51
technomancyex-parrot: I thought it worked with everyday off-the-shelf lipoly tho20:51
waggaOh, the screen got all scratched up because it faces outwards eh. I thought that would be a risk.20:51
ex-parrottechnomancy: the particular pack geometry it used I could never find a replacement for20:52
technomancyhuh20:52
technomancyI mean if you were really into FPGAs it was a great device for sure20:52
technomancyjust not quite there for the rest of us20:52
ex-parrotand it was just slightly too thin to easily fit 18650s20:52
ex-parrotI might be giving the impression that I am unhappy with it but I really wasn’t 20:53
waggaSo novena is shutting down then? They are not going to try to fix the issues?20:53
ex-parrotThe whole process was great fun to be involved with and I learned a lot 20:53
ex-parrotThe novena project died over five years ago 20:53
waggaAhh, I always seem to be late for the party.20:54
ex-parrotBasically bunnie / xobs ended up pouring way too much of their own time and money in to it and just stopped working on it almost immediately after shipping the first run of unitsn20:54
ex-parrotCrowd supply kept parts etc for a mandated period but recently announced end of support too 20:54
waggaToo bad.20:55
ex-parrotIt was always going to be an experiment so I don’t feel too bad about it 20:55
ex-parrotMy current plan is to do a replica-prop-forum style rebuild of my novena hardware in to the “original mk1” style they were showing off in the early days of the project by building it in to a cardboard folder etc 20:56
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waggaThat is cool. 21:12
waggaDoes the reform come with labeled or blank key caps?21:35
waggaThe DIY kit I mean.21:35
mntmnwagga: QWERTY-US by default21:37
technomancyI got mine with blanks as an option21:38
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waggaI see that I can order extra key cap set as blanks, but how would I order the DIY kit and specify an option (blank key-caps). Perhaps it is no longer possible to specify options with a DIY kit purchase?21:42
mntmnyeah, it doesn't work like this anymore with CS orders21:45
mntmnbecause they wanted a default keyboard + keycap options21:46
mntmnwe will do this a bit different in our shop because we can manufacture just-in-time basically21:46
waggaOkay, thanks for letting me know.21:47
technomancyI also bought an aftermarket set of blanks somewhere so I could mess about with building my own PCB21:48
mntmnmessing about is always good!21:55
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