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| wagga | I don't see anyway to order a reform from the crowd supply site: https://www.crowdsupply.com/mnt/reform. Is there a way for me to order a reform right now? If not, then when will I be able to order a reform? | 02:28 |
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| ex-parrot | hey wagga | 03:37 |
| wagga | Hi ex-parrot | 03:37 |
| ex-parrot | Most of this channel isn’t around in this time zone, but if you hang around you’ll likely get a more definite answer | 03:37 |
| ex-parrot | But I believe it is meant to be “soonish” | 03:38 |
| wagga | Okay, would the correct place to watch for the next opportunity to make a purchase be https://www.crowdsupply.com/mnt/reform? | 03:46 |
| Asmadeus | wagga: afaik it will show up on the shop (shop.mntmn.com) once all crowdsupply orders have been fullfilled | 04:07 |
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| ex-parrot | Does the red LED under lighting ever go out? | 09:07 |
| ex-parrot | Or is that just an indicator that there is mains supply | 09:08 |
| mntmn | wagga: are you on mobile? just click on "product choices" on the crowd supply page | 09:12 |
| mntmn | wagga: you can order there. | 09:13 |
| ex-parrot | weird thing I just noticed, the USB ports are "upside down" from the POV of my yubikey, the touch circle ends up facing down at the desk :P | 09:20 |
| ex-parrot | finally got around to setting up my annoying GPG / yubikey SSH config so I can SSH in to my IRC box | 09:23 |
| ex-parrot | so these messages coming to you .... from my reform | 09:23 |
| mntmn | ex-parrot: nice!! | 09:26 |
| ex-parrot | I feel like it's not as novel at this stage but I'm still digging it | 09:27 |
| ex-parrot | I borked my sway config so I just get a single terminal now, which is kind of zen I guess :P | 09:28 |
| mntmn | :D | 09:28 |
| ex-parrot | did some runs off battery and it doesn't seeeeeem like running them totally dry has harmed anything | 09:29 |
| ex-parrot | though I'm not going to make a habit out of it | 09:30 |
| mntmn | ok cool | 09:30 |
| ex-parrot | I am enjoying having proper keyswitches for the trackball, makes every click feel very important | 09:31 |
| mntmn | i was thinking to make a mouse with this :D | 09:34 |
| ex-parrot | I have a box of the really clicky kailh switches, it's tempting to swap the trackball ones out | 09:35 |
| ex-parrot | idk though, these feel pretty damn good | 09:36 |
| ex-parrot | it took me a while to realise what the trackball "stance" is meant to be, I was treating it like a thinkpad nub mouse, with my pointer finger on the ball and thumb hitting the buttons below to the left / right | 09:37 |
| ex-parrot | I made a firmare mod to move the buttons around but now I'm not sure if I actually like it that way or not | 09:37 |
| lastebil | mntmn: now on machine #3 trying to build the image. Things that do not work, apparently: 1. doing this inside a virtual machine (kvm) 2. doing this on just 4GB ram (laptop) So: going for my 32gb rediculous gaming rig (friend made it for someone else, then that person backed out, sold to me for peanuts) | 12:19 |
| mntmn | number 3 sounds good! | 12:19 |
| lastebil | yes, if THAT fails, I'm going to have to do more investigation than just "ok fine let's try again" (which is basically my mental state atm, sadly) | 12:20 |
| mntmn | lastebil: if it helps, there is an automated build process with logs from a big intel machine | 12:25 |
| mntmn | lastebil: ohh and ephase also made a complete alternative build process | 12:26 |
| lastebil | which is the alternative one? | 12:31 |
| mntmn | if only my memory was better | 12:45 |
| mntmn | lastebil: here is a raw log of the build process if it helps https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-system-image/-/jobs/410/raw | 12:50 |
| lastebil | danke, I will check. | 12:57 |
| mntmn | maybe something small apt dependency broke in the meantime? did you get any interesting errors? | 13:01 |
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| wagga | mntmn: From: https://www.crowdsupply.com/mnt/reform I do not see a way to order. I do see an Order Below heading to the right of 353% Funded. Scrolling all the way down to the page, I do not see an Add to Cart, or Order Now button. Maybe I am just skipping over it. Do I need to be signed in? | 13:27 |
| mjw | wagga, odd, there used to be a couple of variants (fully build, diy build) under that funded line which you could click to order, they seem to have disappeared. | 13:40 |
| wagga | My laptop's nvme drive died this weekend. I have an almost dead alienware from 2009 as a pathetic backup. I am very eager to purchase a new laptop and would love it to be a reform. If I am likely going to have to wait months just to place an order I will probably have to order something else unfortunately. If anyone knows when the reform will be | 13:43 |
| wagga | available for order again please let me know. | 13:43 |
| wagga | I was also looking at the novena as an alternative, but their laptop spec is also not available for order right now. I guess my nvme drive picked a bad weekend to die on me. | 13:44 |
| mjw | wagga, If you idle here for a bit I am sure mntmn will show up with some explanation to how/where/when you can order. | 13:46 |
| wagga | mjw: I will, thanks :-) | 13:46 |
| wagga | Does anyone here have a novena? How does it compare to the reform? I was considering purchasing a novena for my kids. I thought that they might like it since the components are exposed for them to look at. | 13:48 |
| mntmn | wagga: hey, i wrote you back earlier | 13:54 |
| mntmn | wagga: are you on a computer or a phone? | 13:54 |
| mntmn | wagga: ohhh i see you are right, they removed the options to buy it | 13:54 |
| mntmn | i think because the shop is being redesigned atm with new options | 13:55 |
| mntmn | wagga: novena is end of life, the laptop version will not come back | 13:55 |
| mntmn | sorry, i wasn't aware that the buying options were removed now | 13:57 |
| wagga | mntmn: np. That is too bad that noena is end of life. I wonder why? Is reform planning on sticking around longer term? | 14:04 |
| mntmn | wagga: yes, we're planning to stick around longer term, that's why the cpu/ram is modular etc | 14:04 |
| wagga | That is great! I can't wait to be able to put more than 4 GB of RAM into the reform, but I am willing to start with that. | 14:05 |
| mntmn | yeah, that's the idea! | 14:12 |
| bluerise | love the Reform's flexibility | 14:12 |
| mntmn | wagga: i have asked CS why the buy options are removed, hope to get an answer later today. it's still early on the US west coast i guess. | 14:58 |
| wagga | mntmn: Thank you! | 15:00 |
| sknebel | mntmn: are you going to switch to selling directly once you are through with the preorders? | 15:18 |
| sknebel | (whichI guess bind you to CS for now?) | 15:18 |
| mntmn | sknebel: not switch. we will be an alternative, especially for EU | 15:19 |
| mntmn | like, an alternative source | 15:19 |
| mntmn | CS will continue selling reforms | 15:19 |
| sknebel | ah ok | 15:20 |
| sknebel | yeah, makes sense to keep them for internationally I guess, but on the flip side it'd be kind of a waste to go through them for local sales | 15:20 |
| mntmn | yeah. but without their support, we wouldn't have been able to make the initial batch of 450 units | 15:26 |
| mntmn | because they agreed to purchase quite some stock | 15:26 |
| mntmn | and i want them to be able to sell all their stock as well | 15:27 |
| sknebel | sure | 15:35 |
| mntmn | lastebil: found the link, but be aware this is totally untested by me, and produces a userland/filesystem "only", not the whole image | 15:35 |
| mntmn | lastebil: https://git.epha.se/ephase/reform2_mkuserland | 15:35 |
| mntmn | lastebil: ah, there is more https://git.epha.se/ephase/reform2_mkimage | 15:36 |
| lastebil | mntmn: ok, I shall look. I'm 95% through installing the debian bit now. | 15:53 |
| lastebil | it may actually be that all the things _I_ wanted were compiled just fine, but - as there was an error, I just... am going ahead and getting a 100% build before I start messing with it. | 15:55 |
| lastebil | that seems... safest. | 15:55 |
| mntmn | ok awesome. yes | 15:55 |
| lastebil | (this is competing for my attention today. Chucky dropped off 2 Terrible Fire 1260's (: ) | 15:56 |
| mntmn | :D | 16:21 |
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| mjw | wagga, mntmn https://www.crowdsupply.com/mnt/reform has Pre-Order buttons again! \o/ | 19:11 |
| mntmn | ohh the new options are online | 19:11 |
| wagga | w00t! Thanks! | 19:19 |
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| qbit | oh heck | 20:21 |
| ex-parrot | wagga: I had a Novena, it was essentially a failure | 20:48 |
| ex-parrot | I used it a couple of times but the software support never fully arrived in upstream Linux, the hardware was too slow (in particular if you had disk encryption enabled you get about 2.5 megabytes / second disk IO), and the hardware was just ridiculously fragile and impractical | 20:49 |
| technomancy | want to buy my Novena? =) | 20:49 |
| technomancy | I made the mistake of buying the desktop edition so I couldn't even take it places =\ | 20:50 |
| ex-parrot | The battery died in mine and I could never get a replacement | 20:50 |
| wagga | Oh, that is too bad. | 20:50 |
| ex-parrot | I took mine out in my backpack a handful of times but the LCD was damaged immediately | 20:50 |
| wagga | That is disappointing. Well, I am super happy to be purchasing a reform. | 20:51 |
| ex-parrot | can confirm the Reform experience is immensely superior | 20:51 |
| technomancy | ex-parrot: I thought it worked with everyday off-the-shelf lipoly tho | 20:51 |
| wagga | Oh, the screen got all scratched up because it faces outwards eh. I thought that would be a risk. | 20:51 |
| ex-parrot | technomancy: the particular pack geometry it used I could never find a replacement for | 20:52 |
| technomancy | huh | 20:52 |
| technomancy | I mean if you were really into FPGAs it was a great device for sure | 20:52 |
| technomancy | just not quite there for the rest of us | 20:52 |
| ex-parrot | and it was just slightly too thin to easily fit 18650s | 20:52 |
| ex-parrot | I might be giving the impression that I am unhappy with it but I really wasn’t | 20:53 |
| wagga | So novena is shutting down then? They are not going to try to fix the issues? | 20:53 |
| ex-parrot | The whole process was great fun to be involved with and I learned a lot | 20:53 |
| ex-parrot | The novena project died over five years ago | 20:53 |
| wagga | Ahh, I always seem to be late for the party. | 20:54 |
| ex-parrot | Basically bunnie / xobs ended up pouring way too much of their own time and money in to it and just stopped working on it almost immediately after shipping the first run of unitsn | 20:54 |
| ex-parrot | Crowd supply kept parts etc for a mandated period but recently announced end of support too | 20:54 |
| wagga | Too bad. | 20:55 |
| ex-parrot | It was always going to be an experiment so I don’t feel too bad about it | 20:55 |
| ex-parrot | My current plan is to do a replica-prop-forum style rebuild of my novena hardware in to the “original mk1” style they were showing off in the early days of the project by building it in to a cardboard folder etc | 20:56 |
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| wagga | That is cool. | 21:12 |
| wagga | Does the reform come with labeled or blank key caps? | 21:35 |
| wagga | The DIY kit I mean. | 21:35 |
| mntmn | wagga: QWERTY-US by default | 21:37 |
| technomancy | I got mine with blanks as an option | 21:38 |
| * jackhill -> KM4MBG | 21:40 | |
| wagga | I see that I can order extra key cap set as blanks, but how would I order the DIY kit and specify an option (blank key-caps). Perhaps it is no longer possible to specify options with a DIY kit purchase? | 21:42 |
| mntmn | yeah, it doesn't work like this anymore with CS orders | 21:45 |
| mntmn | because they wanted a default keyboard + keycap options | 21:46 |
| mntmn | we will do this a bit different in our shop because we can manufacture just-in-time basically | 21:46 |
| wagga | Okay, thanks for letting me know. | 21:47 |
| technomancy | I also bought an aftermarket set of blanks somewhere so I could mess about with building my own PCB | 21:48 |
| mntmn | messing about is always good! | 21:55 |
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