| technomancy | hm; I tried luakit a while back under X and it was extremely slow but it's fine in wayland | 00:00 |
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| mntmn | technomancy: aha? | 00:01 |
| mntmn | technomancy: seems very slow here compared to qtwebengine browsers | 00:03 |
| technomancy | well, let me see how qutebrowser compares. it's definitely a big improvement over what I saw previously | 00:07 |
| mntmn | ok | 00:08 |
| technomancy | seems roughly the same here | 00:11 |
| technomancy | oh, huh. most pages it's the same but there are some stinkers that are really bad on luakit, like gitlab | 00:13 |
| technomancy | gitlab is also nearly unusable in firefox though so it's not super surprising | 00:14 |
| technomancy | firefox in xephyr is working decently except the clipboard doesn't work, and it's a bit of a beast to set up on first boot. if I had suspend working reliably I wouldn't care because I wouldn't ever restart, but as it is I find myself having to relaunch all that pretty frequently | 00:16 |
| mntmn | i see | 00:17 |
| technomancy | so I could maybe give one of these webkit-backed ones a shot | 00:17 |
| mntmn | these are webengine-backed | 00:20 |
| mntmn | afaik qtwebengine is a fork of blink | 00:20 |
| technomancy | ah ok, so only loosely related to webkit | 00:20 |
| mntmn | yeah, kind of an evolution of it | 00:21 |
| technomancy | python as an extension language is kind of a drag but if it means gitlab is usable I guess I'll take it | 00:21 |
| mntmn | nyxt apparently is lisp-based but... someone would need to make a build first (sounded like ephase will try) | 00:22 |
| mntmn | this one https://nyxt.atlas.engineer/ | 00:23 |
| technomancy | yeahhhh I don't really trust myself to keep a browser up to date without apt-get | 00:23 |
| mntmn | haha | 00:24 |
| mntmn | yeah ok | 00:24 |
| mntmn | so i tried our gitlab in qutebrowser and it is usably fast here | 00:24 |
| technomancy | gitlab in firefox is like "please stop typing so fast and let our JS which doesn't appear to do anything keep up" | 00:25 |
| mntmn | i would say similar to chromium | 00:25 |
| mntmn | if not a bit faster... at least the browser UI is lighter and it doesn't need xwayland | 00:25 |
| technomancy | man pyhton is so weird. why does this sample config I found start with config = config | 00:26 |
| mntmn | at least it's not php... | 00:27 |
| technomancy | haha yeah | 00:27 |
| mntmn | ah cool nyxt is really written in common lisp | 00:29 |
| mntmn | fascinating | 00:29 |
| mntmn | they use sbcl | 00:29 |
| mntmn | a project for next weekend perhaps | 00:30 |
| ephase | haaa mntmn then you shoud try it before me... | 00:34 |
| ephase | waiting for your report so :) | 00:34 |
| mntmn | i cannot guarantee i will have the time next weekend | 00:35 |
| mntmn | ! | 00:35 |
| ephase | :) | 00:35 |
| ephase | copying my files on the reform : 70 MB/s from USB3 SSD (mSATA) to internal NVMe with rsync, not bad at all! | 00:37 |
| mntmn | encrypted nvme? | 00:40 |
| ephase | yes mntmn | 00:44 |
| ephase | both encrypted | 00:44 |
| mntmn | ok that's not bad then | 00:44 |
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| ex-parrot | Dang that Nyxt browser looks comfy | 02:56 |
| technomancy | I did see this which was somewhat concerning https://jgkamat.gitlab.io/blog/next-rce.html | 02:57 |
| ex-parrot | Oh yeah, hooking system() in to JS is perhaps ill advised | 02:59 |
| ex-parrot | Security paranoia is the main thing keeping me on Chromium at the moment | 03:01 |
| ex-parrot | I work in the security industry and it’s a good way to get paranoid :ap | 03:01 |
| technomancy | the thing I liked about luakit was they put a big warning on their home page about making sure you were running on a system that was getting security updates for webkit | 03:03 |
| ex-parrot | But it’s getting harder to judge the relative security merits of different browser implementations. The pwn2own payouts for Chrome are still way higher than Firefox but at least some portion of that has to be down to market share | 03:04 |
| ex-parrot | And I’ve dabbled with building my own Chromium from source a bit but it’s a lot of work for some not very tangible benefits :/ | 03:04 |
| technomancy | for a long time basically every distro that shipped webkit was like "no guarantees that anything'll get patched; have fun!" and using a non-chromium/ff browser was a terrible idea | 03:04 |
| ex-parrot | Yeah, that was the impression I got | 03:05 |
| technomancy | it's better nowadays | 03:12 |
| ex-parrot | Good | 06:35 |
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| ephase | Hi | 17:49 |
| ephase | mntmn: first time I come here on my Reform "o" | 17:50 |
| mntmn | hi! | 17:58 |
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| technomancy | ohhhh I wonder if my wifi issues are from not having an RTC battery | 22:49 |
| mntmn | technomancy: why do you think this is the case? | 23:16 |
| technomancy | I noticed that dmesg also shows "rtc-pcf8523 2-0068: low voltage detected, time is unreliable" and it wouldn't be surprising to me that keeping a connection stable would rely on having an accurate clock | 23:18 |
| technomancy | especially if other people seem to not be having this issue, then it would explain how my machine is different | 23:19 |
| mntmn | did we forget to include an RTC battery or did you not put it in? | 23:43 |
| technomancy | might have been omitted or I may have misplaced it; it was very chaotic at my home when I put mine together =) | 23:45 |
| technomancy | just haven't gotten around to heading out to pick one up because it seemed to be not causing much trouble | 23:45 |
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