| khm | I set overcommit to 2 and just don't run swap | 00:10 |
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| khm | but with the standby situation on reform it's probably worth getting suspend-to-disk working, which will require swap of course | 00:10 |
| mntmn | yes, but you can use a swap file here, does not require a partition. except if LUKS is part of the play... but then, you have an unencrypted memory dump on your disk. (is there a solution for that?) | 00:11 |
| khm | yes, linux supports encrypted swap, with or without luks, but it prevents suspend-to-disk. | 00:12 |
| khm | sorry, with or without lvm. | 00:13 |
| mntmn | hmm. | 00:13 |
| mntmn | in any case it would be nice to have. | 00:13 |
| khm | if you're careful with your initrd it is possible to suspend to an encrypted swap, but you have to have it decrypted early | 00:13 |
| khm | I've done it with a busybox initrd but apparently systemd can be made to work with it too | 00:14 |
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| mntmn | khm: makes sense. so far there is no initrd in use at all (at least on my default reform system), rather i use the sd card as a init fs | 00:24 |
| mntmn | haha one could suspend to a file on the sd card and carry that around and boot it on another reform theoretically | 00:25 |
| mntmn | (iff suspend-to-disk worked) | 00:25 |
| ephase | So, first try booting my Reform with Luks + LVM.. I cross my fingers | 00:27 |
| mntmn | :O | 00:27 |
| ephase | Arf, not working ... | 00:29 |
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| mntmn | ephase: :S | 00:36 |
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| epilys | mntmn, I may have asked this in the past, but how easy would it be to retrofit the reform mobo in a thinkpad? By basically copying the geometry of the existing mobo in order to have similar thermal performance + reach the external ports in the case | 11:31 |
| mntmn | epilys: you can probably answer this better than myself. is there enough space for the components? i don't have a thinkpad | 11:31 |
| epilys | mntmn, assuming there is | 11:32 |
| mntmn | epilys: ok so then it depends on your kicad skills :) | 11:33 |
| epilys | so it's doable. I think this opens so many possibilities :D | 11:33 |
| mntmn | epilys: sure | 11:33 |
| mntmn | epilys: i have a sketch for a very smol version of the motherboard | 11:33 |
| mntmn | to prototype the pocket reform | 11:34 |
| mntmn | i should actually get that done | 11:34 |
| epilys | will you manufacture that one or just distribute the design? | 11:34 |
| epilys | btw, many people don't know this, but you can find schematics for laptops online | 11:36 |
| epilys | https://elektrotanya.com/lenovo_thinkpad_t420s_wistron_shinai-3_swg_rev_sb_sch.pdf/download.html | 11:36 |
| epilys | used this to replace a blown SMD fuse I could not see with a naked eye on my old thinkpad | 11:37 |
| mntmn | yeah we will manufacture it | 11:43 |
| mntmn | the pocket version, that is | 11:43 |
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| mntmn | double feature at input magazine: | 20:25 |
| mntmn | https://www.inputmag.com/reviews/mnt-reform-review-your-diy-laptop-fantasy-is-here-at-last | 20:25 |
| mntmn | and: https://www.inputmag.com/tech/mnt-reform-review-building-my-own-laptop-keyboard-battery-trackball-specs | 20:25 |
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| sbp | what's the split ortholinear keyboard in here? https://imgix.bustle.com/uploads/image/2021/7/22/6233e4a6-e99e-47c8-8a5d-a9494486678a-img_1462.JPG | 20:51 |
| sbp | I feel like I recognise it and yet... I don't | 20:51 |
| mntmn | forgot the name! this was at FOSDEM | 20:52 |
| mntmn | the creator(s) of the thing came with it and we tried it out | 20:52 |
| mntmn | i think it was completely 3d printedf | 20:52 |
| sknebel | dactyl-manuform? | 20:55 |
| sbp | sknebel: looks like it, thanks! | 20:59 |
| mntmn | yes, that's the one | 20:59 |
| sknebel | for once people making listicles were useful :D | 21:02 |
| sbp | have read both features now. pretty good | 21:03 |
| mntmn | yeah. honest criticism but also romance | 21:03 |
| sbp | I like the photo of the team! I'd say it was a cracking band if I didn't know to the contrary | 21:04 |
| sbp | but sad that the doggo went uncredited | 21:04 |
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| mntmn | haha true | 21:28 |
| mntmn | tina the dog | 21:28 |
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| qbit | "dope Lego set" | 21:35 |
| qbit | excellent | 21:35 |
| mntmn | haha | 21:38 |
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| technomancy | has anyone tried desoldering the reform kb and swapping in choc whites? kinda tempted to do this since I bought a bunch of extras | 22:19 |
| technomancy | I guess it's probably using lead-free solder which would make desoldering more difficult than the desolder jobs I've done in the past | 22:20 |
| swivel | i'd be inclined to ask mntmn if it's possible to get just the kbd circuit board, esp. if you're local-ish | 22:22 |
| technomancy | long-term I want to design a replacement PCB | 22:23 |
| mntmn | technomancy: yes, leaded solder is illegal (at least here) | 22:23 |
| technomancy | so this would just be to hold me over until then | 22:23 |
| technomancy | haha, of course. a machine from a more civilized realm. | 22:24 |
| mntmn | technomancy: the question is could you assemble all the other smd parts | 22:24 |
| mntmn | technomancy: if you had a blank pcb lets say | 22:24 |
| mntmn | we could of course make a run of pcbs with the smd parts installed by pcbway but without switches | 22:25 |
| technomancy | yeah my original plan to build a replacement PCB didn't factor in the whole thing where it's not just a keyboard it's also an interface to the ... what's it called again; system controller or whatever? | 22:26 |
| mntmn | technomancy: yeah but that's just a serial port (UART) | 22:26 |
| mntmn | technomancy: any mcu can do that | 22:26 |
| technomancy | sure; it's not just a 1:1 port of my existing design to a new physical shape though is what I meant | 22:27 |
| swivel | seems like a good idea to offer the populated sans keyswitches pcb, if it's not expensive | 22:27 |
| technomancy | I mean it needs to talk to the system controller but also be able to run the oled | 22:27 |
| mntmn | swivel: yeah, need to look into it | 22:27 |
| mntmn | technomancy: true, the oled is I2C. so two more pins | 22:28 |
| technomancy | also my current design uses a dev board instead of putting the MCU directly on the PCB because it's designed to be soldered by anyone with a middle-school skill level, haha | 22:28 |
| technomancy | s/dev board/daughterboard/ | 22:29 |
| technomancy | anyway I still want to do it; it's just going to be more than like ... a single-weekend hack | 22:32 |
| technomancy | I haven't touched kicad since 2014 | 22:32 |
| mntmn | gotcha :) | 22:52 |
| technomancy | plus last time I used kicad it didn't support rotating components the way I needed to for the column-staggered arrangement so I had to write a lisp program that did a bunch of trig and wrote out a .kicad_pcb file but anyway... it'll be fun | 22:53 |
| technomancy | I need to work on my reading comprehension because I was idling in #reform for like a month and didn't notice that the topic mentioned this channel instead | 22:54 |
| technomancy | another random question: exwm (my favorite WM) works on my reform, but I can't run loved2 (SDL program) in it. I would consider switching to sway but I don't know any way to get exwm's killer feature: converting key combos before sending them to the client; for instance, I can hold down ctrl-p in firefox and it will scroll up instead of opening seventeen print dialogs. | 22:55 |
| technomancy | has anyone found a way to do this with sway? I'm only finding docs for remapping single key events, not combos. | 22:56 |
| technomancy | (firefox wrecked its ability to do this using an extension when they switched to using the incredibly weak-sauce chrome extension system) | 22:57 |
| mntmn | interesting | 23:01 |
| mntmn | if you want ctrl-p to always scroll up, this could be done in the keyboard firmware | 23:01 |
| technomancy | I've thought about that =) | 23:01 |
| technomancy | there's also https://github.com/kmonad/kmonad which might do the trick | 23:02 |
| mntmn | technomancy: what's loved2, do you have a link? | 23:03 |
| technomancy | but they do that thing where they say "linux" and they mean "x86_64 linux" so I can't use their prebuilt downloads and I don't want to install gigabytes of haskell toolchain for this one small thing | 23:03 |
| technomancy | mntmn: it's a game dev framework; https://love2d.org | 23:03 |
| mntmn | ah LÖVE | 23:03 |
| technomancy | I use it with Fennel for most of my games | 23:04 |
| mntmn | technomancy: why does it not work in exwm? | 23:04 |
| mntmn | wait, exwm is the emacs window manager? | 23:04 |
| technomancy | it's unclear; basically I launch and it says the connection to the server was killed | 23:04 |
| technomancy | yeah, emacs window manager | 23:04 |
| technomancy | it's extremely ... lunatic fringe type stuff. | 23:05 |
| mntmn | can't you patch exwm to modify the keystroke for you? | 23:05 |
| mntmn | as the wm it should be able to do that maybe? | 23:05 |
| technomancy | it's not super surprising to me that exwm doesn't work seamlessly because it's just so bananas and out there at its very core; the idea of writing a WM in elisp | 23:05 |
| technomancy | oh, no maybe I explained it confusingly =) | 23:05 |
| technomancy | in exwm, the keystroke modification stuff works great but love2d doesn't work | 23:05 |
| technomancy | in sway I can have love2d but not the keystroke modification stuff | 23:05 |
| mntmn | technomancy: and also you could try running Xephyr (nested X11) in exwm and run a different wm in there | 23:06 |
| mntmn | :D | 23:06 |
| technomancy | ohhh nesting, hm. that could definitely work. | 23:06 |
| technomancy | I'll give it a shot; thanks! | 23:06 |
| mntmn | sure! | 23:06 |
| mntmn | for example, i often use rooted Xwayland (similar to Xephyr) to use openbox on top of sway | 23:07 |
| technomancy | so like exwm could wrap the X clients where I wanted the special keystroke behavior but other programs like LÖVE could run directly without it | 23:07 |
| mntmn | for some weird programs that won't behave otherwise | 23:07 |
| mntmn | for example java software | 23:07 |
| technomancy | cool, cool | 23:07 |
| mntmn | like visicut | 23:07 |
| technomancy | do you have an example handy? | 23:07 |
| mntmn | or Xilinx Vivado | 23:07 |
| mntmn | i have a script called xwrap | 23:07 |
| mntmn | naja Xephyr uses the same commandline like Xorg or Xwayland | 23:08 |
| mntmn | like: Xephyr -retro :1 | 23:08 |
| mntmn | this will pop up a new xserver :1 in a window | 23:08 |
| mntmn | and to redirect stuff there you just change the DISPLAY env variable before launching it | 23:08 |
| mntmn | technomancy: with Xephyr -screen 1280x720 etc you can set the window size | 23:09 |
| mntmn | (man Xephyr) | 23:09 |
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