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| mntmn | jackhill: neat! | 00:36 |
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| verx | guix | 02:32 |
| verx | that wasn't a statement, sorry. just a search with a forgotten modifier | 02:32 |
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| jackhill | With the trackpad, is there a way to click and hold? | 05:15 |
| jackhill | in wev, I see an immediate release event after a click event. They way this has worked for me on other computers is to do a double tab, but not release it the second time. | 05:16 |
| jackhill | Having not looked too deeply, it feels like something to be fixed in the trackpad firmware. | 05:17 |
| jackhill | what was the troubleshooting advice for the sound "card" not showing up sometimes? | 05:21 |
| jackhill | I'll have to do some more off/on cycles to see how repeatable it is. The boot where I just experienced the sound problem was the first one after removing an re-inserting the battery, so I could easily see some edge scenario. | 05:25 |
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| jackhill | ah, click with three fingers, and then drag around. I'll have to practice with it more to operate it smoothly ☺ | 05:57 |
| jackhill | thanks #mnt-reform for listening to my play-by-play | 05:57 |
| doppler | heh. glad you figured it out. | 06:02 |
| + S0rin (~S0rin@user/s0rin) | 06:02 | |
| jackhill | doppler: I cheated and looked: https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform/-/blob/master/reform2-trackpad-fw/Mouse.c#L292 | 06:13 |
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| jackhill | ex-parrot: thanks for the suggeston of the double sided tape. I just intalled my antennae today, and included some tape, and I'm happy to say there is no rattling around! | 07:16 |
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| scops | hmmm there something really wrong. normaly gvfs should virtually mount the cd. but "gio mount cdda://sg0/" and then "list" doesnt see anything... x.x | 08:35 |
| scops | i think most apps would talk to gvfs... ripperx seems to directly communicate with the device... so this app works | 08:36 |
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| ex-parrot | I have never had good luck with gvfs without something like gvfs-fuse as well, but the state of the art must have changed somewhat since I used it much last | 10:14 |
| ex-parrot | https://img.hotplate.co.nz/r7WxQM8c totally natural and non-staged photo of the Reform at hacker meetup tonight | 10:15 |
| ex-parrot | People love the machine | 10:15 |
| scops | <ex-parrot "I have never had good luck with "> normaly gnome/xfce has no problems with audio cds at all... there must be something special on the debian on reform that it doesnt work right :( | 10:17 |
| ex-parrot | odd. Can you summarise the problem for me? | 10:19 |
| ex-parrot | I have a USB CD-ROM drive handy so I can probably reproduce it here | 10:19 |
| scops | i plug in the drive... dmesg says all is fine and the device /dev/sg0 is ready. but nothing happens if i put in a audio cd (no virtual mount in thunar,...) all rippers/players i tried dont find the cd besides ripperx which says there is no cd at start but if i click on scan it finds it and can rip | 10:20 |
| ex-parrot | interesting | 10:21 |
| scops | gio mount cdda://sg0 has no problem but gio list cdda://sg0 doesnt list anything | 10:21 |
| ex-parrot | I’ve never tried “mounting” an audio CD before | 10:21 |
| ex-parrot | Except on BeOS I guess | 10:22 |
| scops | yeah i dont "need" this but something like freac or Sound Juicer should find it to use the tools ^^ | 10:22 |
| scops | (yeah... on BeOS it was really nice tu work with audio cds x) | 10:22 |
| scops | s/tu/to | 10:23 |
| ex-parrot | it’s not something as banal as the device file ownership / permissions? | 10:23 |
| ex-parrot | though I guess if ripperx works that seems unlikely | 10:24 |
| scops | yeah... | 10:24 |
| scops | then ripperx wouldnt work either | 10:24 |
| scops | hmmm maybe there is strange mappig problem...? or is it normal that it runs as "scsi" device? journalctl says: "attached scsi generic sg0 type 5" | 10:28 |
| scops | maybe there is a problem with the device itself? its an LG Bluray Burner | 10:29 |
| scops | but all data about it that i see with journalctl/dmesg seems to be ok | 10:30 |
| ex-parrot | USB CD-ROM drives show up as a SCSI device, that’s Norma | 10:39 |
| ex-parrot | normal | 10:40 |
| ex-parrot | Should be an sr0 device | 10:40 |
| ex-parrot | what time zone are you in scops? (This question is unrelated to the CD-ROM thing) | 10:40 |
| scops | gmt+2 atm i think :) i'm from germany | 10:41 |
| ex-parrot | ah nice, the morning Europe zone :) | 10:42 |
| mntmn | ex-parrot: nice photo! | 10:53 |
| mntmn | scops: have you tried the usb cdrom thing on another debian computer and compared dmesg/journal output after plugging it in, etc? | 10:54 |
| scops | no, just on a macbook till now... but i try it (there is ubuntu on my other linux machine right now) | 10:55 |
| scops | ok the sr0 part is missing on the reform... the sg0 part is the same | 10:58 |
| scops | maybe there is a driver missing in the reform kernel | 10:59 |
| mntmn | scops: what does sr0 mean? | 11:02 |
| scops | mom i post the logs in a min | 11:02 |
| scops | /dev/sr0 is the device of the audio cd... sg0 seems to be the device itself?! | 11:03 |
| mntmn | sg0 means scsi generic i think, and sr0 scsi rom | 11:03 |
| mntmn | scops: https://tldp.org/HOWTO/SCSI-2.4-HOWTO/sr.html | 11:04 |
| mntmn | scops: i guess you should check if this module is in the kernel config (probably not) | 11:05 |
| scops | ok,... but the sr0 never appears | 11:05 |
| scops | yeah... could you please compile a kernel with this module? ^^ or make it possible to load modules ? | 11:06 |
| mntmn | no | 11:06 |
| mntmn | https://cateee.net/lkddb/web-lkddb/BLK_DEV_SR.html | 11:06 |
| mntmn | scops: it's your turn to build the kernel! | 11:06 |
| scops | ... on the reform it takes ages x.x | 11:07 |
| scops | it would be easier if the default kernel you build could load kernel modules from the fs instead of packing all into the image and not having the option to load additional ones... i dont know if this is possible on the reform. but it would make the life much easier | 11:09 |
| ex-parrot | Once you’ve compiled the kernel once it’s usually possible to just build modules and load them, if module loading is enabled | 11:50 |
| scops | yeah, i know. the refrom is much "bare metal" atm... it is difficult to use as daily driver. in general there are often edge cases on linux that you need to compile stuff yourself or going though config files (...) it's even more on the Reform / Arm platform - if you dont using a Raspberry ^^. that make the refrom not a bad device... just a device that isn't suitable as daily driver like for example tuxedo laptop with linux... :/ | 12:20 |
| + rasmus (~rasmus@c83-253-223-217.bredband.tele2.se) | 12:22 | |
| ex-parrot | I guess it depends what kind of daily driving you do too. For my purposes so far I didn’t find anything that I can’t do | 12:23 |
| scops | hm... i need to recompile the kernel if i want to use network in Basilisk II or want to use a cdrom? :) | 12:24 |
| scops | but yes... it depends. but that are not problems on a mainstream linux device. | 12:25 |
| scops | like i said, that "ok" because the reform is still jung and there are not a big devteam at MNT ;) | 12:26 |
| ex-parrot | I haven’t looked at how the kernel config currently differs from what eg Debian is shipping but it’s probably possible to merge the two and have a bigger build with modules and more edge features | 12:32 |
| ex-parrot | That’s what I did on the Novena before it had official Debian support | 12:34 |
| scops | 👍 | 12:37 |
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| jackhill | hmm, got the no sound card detectied issue again | 19:03 |
| jackhill | [ 4.479009] ALSA device list: | 19:04 |
| jackhill | [ 4.479015] No soundcards found. | 19:04 |
| jackhill | is the best I could find in dmesg | 19:04 |
| mntmn | scops: sorry! lets turn this into something productive. how about you make me a list of the missing kernel modules that you encountered and i put them in the official build. then the buildserver can make a new kernel | 19:41 |
| scops | jackhill: just reboot... :) should fix itself | 19:52 |
| scops | mntmn: no reason for a sorry! what about a community post with "missing stuff" in default image... so every body can request stuff | 19:53 |
| furan | I want to free up my m.2 slot but keep SSD boot. Ever try booting off an SSD in the mini pcie slot by some adapter (like mpcie to m.2 ngff)? | 19:53 |
| jackhill | scops: well, sure, but sometimes I don't notice right away, and there is some problem, I'd rather fix it :) | 19:57 |
| mntmn | furan: haven't tried, but should work | 20:23 |
| mntmn | jackhill: the reason for this problem is yet unknown | 20:24 |
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| + S0rin (~S0rin@user/s0rin) | 20:30 | |
| furan | cool | 20:31 |
| + S0rin_ (~S0rin@user/s0rin) | 20:32 | |
| - S0rin (QUIT: Ping timeout: 265 seconds) (~S0rin@user/s0rin) | 20:35 | |
| jackhill | mntmn: ok, I'm not sure if it is happening to everyone, but if I can grap some logs or something like that, let me know. | 20:41 |
| mntmn | jackhill: for me it's happening only on hard power cycle i think | 20:41 |
| mntmn | like, if batteries are disconnected and reconnected | 20:41 |
| jackhill | mntmn: after removing batteris was when I first noticed it, but the latest time was after a sudo halt, circle 1 cycle. In between those was a boot with sound | 20:42 |
| mntmn | jackhill: hmmm ok. the error should be something along the lines of wm8960: failed to issue reset | 20:43 |
| mntmn | i guess more in-depth poking/debugging in the driver would be required. | 20:44 |
| jackhill | mntmn: yep, I have that line | 20:44 |
| jackhill | someting else for the debugging heap! | 20:45 |
| mntmn | > #define wm8960_reset(c) regmap_write(c, WM8960_RESET, 0) | 20:47 |
| mntmn | maybe the driver could be modified to retry a few times... or maybe a power sequencing or timing issue | 20:48 |
| jackhill | cool | 20:50 |
| mntmn | the wm8960 is on the same I2C bus as PCF8523T | 20:51 |
| mntmn | (the realtime clock) | 20:51 |
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| + S0rin (~S0rin@user/s0rin) | 20:52 | |
| mntmn | jackhill: is rtc-pcf close together with wm8960 in your dmesg when it fails? | 20:54 |
| mntmn | jackhill: and which one is first? | 20:54 |
| mntmn | jackhill: are you on kernel 5.12? | 20:55 |
| jackhill | mntmn: 'rtc-pcf8523 2-0068: registered as rtc0' is the next line after wm8960 | 20:57 |
| jackhill | yes, 5.12.0 that came on the SD card | 20:57 |
| mntmn | jackhill: interesting. in my last boot, rtc-pcf comes first, almost 1 second before wm8960 | 20:58 |
| mntmn | it's just a hunch though | 20:58 |
| jackhill | time stamp difference <.01 for me | 20:59 |
| mntmn | huh. | 20:59 |
| swivel | when in doubt, insert sleeps /s | 21:00 |
| + \\\\\\\\\\\ (~zap@46.166.176.173) | 21:07 | |
| mntmn | scops: i just tried your seamonkey build, but it segfaults for me on startup | 21:18 |
| mntmn | weird, in > 0x0000007ff6b3b9b0 in XDisplayString () from /usr/lib/aarch64-linux-gnu/libX11.so.6 | 21:19 |
| scops | strange... i use the original userland | 21:33 |
| scops | maybe something changed in the new one? | 21:33 |
| scops | (on x11 ^^) | 21:34 |
| - freakazoid334 (QUIT: Read error: Connection reset by peer) (~freakazoi@72.168.176.129) | 21:54 | |
| jackhill | I have one battery cell that seems to plummet in voltage before all the others. It goes from 3.1 to 0.1 while the others are 3.1 or 3.0. Same sell over three discharge cycles. I assume it's a weak cell. I assume troubleshooting steps involve moving it around to differt spots in the pack? Perhaps I should also try it in a single-cell LiFePO₄ charger (I don't currently have one) before replacing it. | 22:04 |
| sbp | how are you currently charging them? | 22:05 |
| jackhill | I'm letting Reform do the charging | 22:09 |
| jackhill | It looks like they're all getting more or less the same fulness | 22:09 |
| jackhill | mntmn: the curses of actually being able to see what's going on. If this were any other laptop pack, I'd be non the wiser :) | 22:10 |
| jackhill | s/non/none/ | 22:10 |
| mntmn | jackhill: hmm sounds like a weak cell >:| | 22:11 |
| jackhill | seems like an easy enough part for me to replace. Is there a cheat sheet for going from position on the OLED to which cell? I guess I can check them all when they're on the low side, but having a cross check would be great. | 22:14 |
| mntmn | i believe i wrote something about in in the handbook | 22:16 |
| + freakazoid333 (~freakazoi@72.168.176.93) | 22:19 | |
| jackhill | mntmn: indeed you did "he leftmost group of four icons represent the battery pack on the left side of the device, and the top icon in each group represents the leftmost cell in each pack." I'll do a better job reading someday! | 22:20 |
| + odnes (~odnes@109-178-242-34.pat.ren.cosmote.net) | 23:32 | |
| sbp | it's getting to the point where I read this channel whenever I need cheering up ;) | 23:45 |
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