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| Asmadeus | jackhill: I have the same problem as you with the trackball btw (rough in one direction), I got some bearings so just need to take the time to set it up and try | 00:24 |
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| Asmadeus | (will probably take a few weeks, I don't have anything to poke holes in here...) | 00:25 |
| sbp | just make sure you don't do what https://genodians.org/nfeske/2021-04-10-mntre-trackball did | 00:25 |
| Asmadeus | yes that's where the idea came from, very insightful read :) | 00:27 |
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| sbp | I like the pix in https://social.unx.pw/notice/A8bJwCVZdqnYkqufAm | 00:32 |
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| ex-parrot | https://img.hotplate.co.nz/dZdPGEAY got some nice industrial looking black screws to fix up the keyboard | 09:33 |
| ex-parrot | slightly hampers the otherwise excellent field serviceability by not being philips | 09:33 |
| ex-parrot | But I can live with it :) | 09:33 |
| ex-parrot | I got my home wifi working just fine by switching from connman to network manager | 10:07 |
| ex-parrot | I am probably making things harder for myself by having my home wifi SSID be the spider emoji | 10:08 |
| scops | xD | 10:27 |
| ex-parrot | Tho I managed to connect to a different emoji network with connman so it can’t be just that | 10:38 |
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| * ian -> furan | 10:40 | |
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| mntmn | ex-parrot: nice screws! | 11:13 |
| mntmn | ex-parrot: the wifi thing could be about reg db, maybe connman doesn't take care of that (i could imagine other freqs/channels in use in NZ) | 11:14 |
| ex-parrot | ah yes, I thought about that then also completely forgot about that | 11:15 |
| ex-parrot | either way it’s resolved, I hate to admit to liking network manager but I am at least familiar with it :P | 11:15 |
| mntmn | well if it works, that's very good! | 11:16 |
| ex-parrot | I just started a new job so my reform hacking is at about 15 minutes / day currently but it seems good | 11:16 |
| ex-parrot | Tomorrow I’m hosting a local hacker meet up event in the evening, will take the Reform along to show off | 11:16 |
| ex-parrot | I think the next small thing to do is put a tiny piece of double sided tape under the antenna holder acrylic so it doesn’t flap as much | 11:17 |
| mntmn | awesome | 11:21 |
| mntmn | ex-parrot: yeah, the holder's design can be improved | 11:21 |
| ex-parrot | it gets the job done | 11:21 |
| ex-parrot | It’s better than the novena where they were just like “idk just stick the antenna somewhere inside the case” | 11:22 |
| ex-parrot | I had a bit of a play with the standby script this evening too. I think I should be able to translate the script in to systemd hooks so “systemctl suspend” would just work. I’ll get myself set up on gitlab this weekend so I can start sending patches hopefully | 11:23 |
| mntmn | ex-parrot: awesome! were you able to reliably wake up reform from sleep? | 11:38 |
| mntmn | ex-parrot: btw do you use nvme or sd card only? | 11:38 |
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| ex-parrot | mntmn: I tried exactly once and it woke up perfectly. I saw some errors related to the nvme coming out of the kernel during resume but I’m only booting from the SD card so far | 12:01 |
| ex-parrot | I did note that the keyboard backlight doesn’t go out in suspensd either but I can understand why that isn’t implemented at the moment :P | 12:02 |
| ex-parrot | I need to go and read / understand the boot process a bit better before I set up the nvme | 12:02 |
| ex-parrot | (Tho the device is there at least and seems to be working) | 12:03 |
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| ex-parrot | I’m using the nvme included in the “max” tier | 12:08 |
| mjw | mntmn, sorry, you probably hate these questions, working as hard as you can, but any word on when the keyboards might ship? | 12:35 |
| mjw | ACTION finds https://shop.mntmn.com/products/mnt-reform-usb-keyboard-standalone has been updated. | 12:36 |
| mjw | Sorry, could have found out myself. "Pre-orders of the first batch are expected to ship in July/August 2021 (Updated on 2021-06-29)." | 12:36 |
| mjw | cool, thanks | 12:36 |
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| mntmn | mjw: oh yeah, just updated yesterday. i wanted to make 1 design fix first, and then produce the cases. the keyboard electronics are in stock. | 13:16 |
| mntmn | ex-parrot: alright, thanks. for me the suspend/wake is hit/miss (system on nvme, luks encrypted) | 13:16 |
| mjw | mntmn, O, and I see the new mnt reform crowdsupply preorders have been moved to September 29. Is that for the whole batch? | 13:21 |
| mjw | (Once I got my own I got so excited I ordered another for a friend.) | 13:21 |
| mntmn | mjw: oh cool! no, this is the target for _new_ orders | 13:21 |
| mntmn | it's kind of the target of catching up with all current orders | 13:22 |
| mntmn | incl some buffer | 13:22 |
| mjw | mntmn, crowdsupply did change mine from: | 13:22 |
| mjw | Originally estimated to ship on May 18, 2021 | 13:22 |
| mjw | Currently estimated to ship on Sep 29, 2021 | 13:22 |
| mjw | Now I knew May 18 was unrealistic :) | 13:23 |
| mntmn | they probably can't differentiate batches | 13:23 |
| mntmn | and i have no control over it, i can't even see the orders | 13:23 |
| mjw | O, that is bad. Should I have ordered through the shop instead? | 13:23 |
| mntmn | you can't order through the shop r/n | 13:24 |
| mntmn | that was online for a few days but then i was reminded by CS that it is not ok as per our agreement | 13:24 |
| mntmn | so we can't sell any more in the shop until we have shipped crowdfunded orders. | 13:24 |
| mntmn | it's kind of a complicated situation because i know a lot of people would like to order directly from germany. | 13:24 |
| mjw | My friend lives across the ocean in the USA, so he won't mind :) | 13:25 |
| mntmn | yeah, that's good then | 13:25 |
| mntmn | but it also means we can't make any money on more presales atm | 13:26 |
| mjw | So first get all the crowdfunded reforms out the door! | 13:26 |
| mntmn | well, obviously | 13:27 |
| scops | if someone interessted in testing seamonkey - i just compiled the 2.53.8 release: https://github.com/codeandcreate/seamonkey-debian-arm64/releases/tag/2.53.8-1 :) | 13:35 |
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| + odnes (~odnes@109-178-242-34.pat.ren.cosmote.net) | 13:36 | |
| mjw | mntmn, hope you aren't stressing too much about all the shipping and ordering. Running a business. I am glad I am not. But I am glad you do. Really loving the mnt reform. And I even got a controller and played earthbound on it. So at least you made me relax :) | 13:39 |
| mntmn | mjw: ha, nice! | 13:40 |
| mntmn | thanks scops | 13:40 |
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| scops | once the seamonkey project has backported some changes made in firefox they will release official releases, they said - mostly webrtc is still a problem... | 13:45 |
| mntmn | scops: aarch64 release? | 13:48 |
| mntmn | i am servicing a reform that was thoroughly damaged probably by https://community.mnt.re/t/mnt-reform-first-eu-batch-do-this-safety-modification/292 | 14:02 |
| mntmn | so if you were in the first EU batch, i would ask you again to make sure this short can't happen in your device | 14:03 |
| mntmn | for later batches we have already done it | 14:03 |
| scops | <mntmn "scops: aarch64 release?"> yes | 14:19 |
| mjw | hmmm | 14:38 |
| mjw | mntmn, I remember you also had some other modification for the first batch, is there an overview page? If you have batch x - do modifications y and z? | 14:40 |
| scops | <mntmn "so if you were in the first EU b"> i have put duct tape between the pins and the keyboard... so there shouldnt be a problem anymore... | 14:40 |
| mntmn | scops: yep, good | 14:42 |
| mjw | I probably should make sure my cat doesn't jump on the keyboard :} | 14:42 |
| mntmn | mjw: one is a resistor modification for better charging (optional), the other is this safety fix | 14:42 |
| mntmn | mjw: the safety fix is much more important, because it can just kill the keyboard MCU and the IMX | 14:43 |
| mjw | ok, will try to do the second tonight then. | 14:43 |
| mntmn | mjw: thanks! | 14:44 |
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| jackhill | mntmn: where do I look to read/understand the uboot configuration? Is it all done at compile time? | 18:02 |
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| mntmn | jackhill: all done at compile time yes | 18:27 |
| jackhill | cool | 18:28 |
| mntmn | jackhill: there's a "setenv" compiled in | 18:29 |
| mntmn | jackhill: https://source.mnt.re/reform/reform-boundary-uboot/-/blob/master/board/boundary/nitrogen8m_som/nitrogen8m_som.c#L342 | 18:30 |
| jackhill | thanks | 18:31 |
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| scops | hmmm i attached a bluray burner (which is recognized by lsusb) on usb... put an audio cd in... and nothing happend... something like /dev/cdrom isnt there... does anyone have an idea what i can do? | 19:40 |
| scops | thunar doesnt see the cd | 19:41 |
| mntmn | scops: what does dmesg say | 19:53 |
| - freakazoid333 (QUIT: Read error: Connection reset by peer) (~freakazoi@72.168.176.80) | 19:53 | |
| scops | hm ok to /dev/sg0 but i cant mount it "no block device" | 19:54 |
| scops | ok i think my problem was just that all apps i tried just doesnt work... ripperx finds the cd x.x | 19:58 |
| scops | sorry | 19:58 |
| mntmn | scops: an audio cd does not have a file system | 19:58 |
| mntmn | scops: it has... audio tracks | 19:59 |
| mntmn | mplayer might be able to play it, but idk, i have never tried this and also don't have optical usb drives | 20:00 |
| mntmn | only a usb floppy ^^ | 20:00 |
| swivel | hmmm, back in the days of ATAPI and SCSI-2 CDROMs there would be an analog audio cable connecting the drive to the sound card, and playing audio CDs would be an integrated function of the drive that software would just control at a high level like "play track N", and the drive itself would do the playback sending the audio directly to the sound card. It's unclear to me how that happens with external | 20:04 |
| swivel | drives lacking the analog audio signal path | 20:04 |
| mntmn | that's one way, but the cdrom can also extract the tracks as data, aka "ripping" | 20:05 |
| swivel | yeah, cdparanoia is what i used to use for that | 20:05 |
| swivel | but that's not the way cd audio player frontends operate, that's generally just for ripping | 20:06 |
| swivel | my buddy back in the day made a tool called 'respeed' for listening to his EDM CDs at higher speeds via the data ripping method, this was back when we had 486s and he wasted weeks getting things working well enough to not skip whenever he did something like `ls` on his linux box while listening to a CD played faster... good times, feeling old. | 20:09 |
| + freakazoid333 (~freakazoi@72.168.176.39) | 20:10 | |
| scops | ripperx seems to work well in ripping cds :) | 20:15 |
| scops | the freedb link is quite old... xD but besides that it works | 20:15 |
| swivel | ive never used ripperx, but i do recall there being important details in how the ripper tools handled read errors (due to scratches usually) and cdparanoia had some interesting flags for controlling how many times it would re-read the data to identify errors the drive is transparently "correcting" and i think it interpolated between the many samples | 20:18 |
| khm | handling read errors was important beacuse copy protection usually showed up as read errors | 20:20 |
| swivel | im sure that was true to some extent, but in cdparanoia it's more about flawless rips in the face of unreliable hardware and/or scratched media... check out the status emoticons: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cdparanoia#Status_indicators | 20:24 |
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| + erlehmann (~erle@dynamic-046-114-141-076.46.114.pool.telefonica.de) | 21:38 | |
| scops | hm... really strange with cd rippers... just ripperx finds the cdrom (dev/sg0)... all other tools just doesnt see anyting | 22:01 |
| scops | +h | 22:01 |
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| + mjw (~mark@herd.wildebeest.org) | 22:21 | |
| jackhill | I submitted the Reform repositories for archiving at https://www.softwareheritage.org/ :) | 22:40 |
| + wiedi (~wiedi@37.228.191.159) | 22:48 | |
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