| Asmadeus | mntmn: https://xnux.eu/devices/feature/cedrus-pp.html (for pinephone) mentions using v4l2-requests for mpv through a patched libva instead of patching ffmpeg ; I wonder if that one would be easier to merge... kind of annoying how much efforts are being duplicated (between gstreamer, ffmpeg and this now...) | 00:22 |
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| mntmn | Asmadeus: hmm yeah. | 01:17 |
| mntmn | Asmadeus: that's interesting because it doesn't require recompiling firefox or mpv. although i'm not sure how clean that is | 01:18 |
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| Asmadeus | there's a libva-v4l2-request package in AUR and fedora so it's probably not THAT bad | 01:22 |
| Asmadeus | as libva looks modular it's not even replacing libva, just adding a plugin | 01:22 |
| Asmadeus | my main worry is that this repo has been without activity for two years, with a handful of PRs ignored and as many issues... | 01:23 |
| mntmn | interesting | 01:30 |
| mntmn | what's worrying more is the bad perf i've seen at 1080p | 01:30 |
| mntmn | and wondering how scops had 60fps in moonlight at 1080p | 01:31 |
| mntmn | maybe something is wonky on my setup, but idk | 01:31 |
| Asmadeus | haven't had a chance to try yet, frame drops you said? on my imx8mp with gstreamer I've noticed the waylandsink drops frames while the glimagesink does not so it might be more about how the frame is displayed than decoding | 01:31 |
| mntmn | yeah, i believe that too | 01:31 |
| mntmn | i'm pretty sure mpv is outputting to GL, but maybe there is some inefficiency there somewhere, like an additional blit | 01:32 |
| Asmadeus | yeah, I need to finish setting up my reform have been quite busy breaking internet for people on the other side of the world... :D | 01:35 |
| Asmadeus | And you should get some sleep! | 01:35 |
| mntmn | haha | 01:37 |
| mntmn | you are damn right | 01:37 |
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| Asmadeus | mntmn: hm, what should the keyboard come back as exactly when in flashing mode? my flashing switch was already set to on, just resetting makes it come back as idVendor=03eb, idProduct=2ff4 (Product: ATm32U4DFU) but dfu-programmer says no device present. Toggling switch off and resetting does make they keyboard come back to life | 15:11 |
| mntmn | Asmadeus: sudo | 15:12 |
| mntmn | (ATm32U4DFU is correct) | 15:12 |
| Asmadeus | gah right | 15:13 |
| Asmadeus | better, thanks | 15:13 |
| mntmn | :) | 15:26 |
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| Asmadeus | just a note if others like me will be flashing their keyboard a lot for the first few days: wdt_enable(0) is a good way to force a keyboard reset from software to map it to a circle+whatever key and close the keyboard frame :D | 16:19 |
| Asmadeus | (I'll want to flip the switch back eventually but for now flexibility wins) | 16:19 |
| mntmn | Asmadeus: ah, thanks for figuring that out. i also read its possible to jump into the bootloader, but it's kind of complicated | 16:22 |
| mntmn | Asmadeus: i will put that in the menu then, as its useful in conjunction with the HTML/JS-based remapping editor i made | 16:23 |
| Asmadeus | sure | 16:23 |
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| jackhill | mntmn: my experience so far with the reform has been very positive. Before I use it as a daily driver though, I'm going to have to put my normal (Guix) software load on it. | 17:40 |
| mntmn | jackhill: cool, thanks! is it a lot of work to get guix going? | 17:41 |
| jackhill | Oh, and i have to get wireless card. Somehow I've misplaced the one I had set aside for it. Probably should have just ordered one from you :) | 17:41 |
| jackhill | mntmn: (re: guix) hopefully not. Guix, like Nix (so I'm sure I'll look at their work) can be run on top of Debian or a stand alone system. I've already got Guix going on top of your image, but hope to run it as a stand alone system. It should be easy to use Guix/Debian fromthe SD card to install to nvme. | 17:43 |
| jackhill | I just haven't gotten around to that step yet, still looking at your image and learning things. I'm also making it harder for myself by wanting to mover kernel management over to the guix tooling. | 17:44 |
| jackhill | I already use sway, so in the meantime, I'm tweaking my config to work well on Reform. I think I've found a set of xkboptions that work well for me 🎉 | 17:45 |
| jackhill | mntmn: feedback from the self assembly instructions: for the orientation of the display connector, I would have found it clearer if it had said the white dot should face towards the hinges instead of the screen. | 17:47 |
| jackhill | I also spent a long time pondering the twisted OLED cable, but that's just because I didn't make the connection between the plugging it in step and the later twisting/monting step. | 17:48 |
| jackhill | mntmn: question about the hdmi output: does it support sound? (I know I've asked this before, but for the life of me can't remember the answer) | 17:49 |
| sbp | jackhill: someone was asking in #guix about the Reform last night. I mentioned that people were working on it | 17:52 |
| sbp | indicative of wider interest | 17:53 |
| doppler | jackhill: ditto on both points of feedback | 17:53 |
| jackhill | sbp: oh, cool! Feel free to mention me. I guess I should write a post to guix-devel@gnu.org to help us coordinate | 17:54 |
| mntmn | jackhill: yeah, i've heard the feedback about the display connector several times now, will update it | 17:59 |
| mntmn | jackhill: hdmi sound is theoretically supported by the driver but not currently active | 17:59 |
| jackhill | mntmn: oh, neat. Something for the project list :) | 18:01 |
| jackhill | (not that I right now have any of the needed skill, but, hey, even if I can't help make it happy, I can probably learn something) | 18:02 |
| mntmn | yeah! | 18:03 |
| jackhill | Other feedback: my trackball is a little rough, and it is easier to move side to side than up and down. And it's not consistent. Sometimes it moves up and down and sometimes it gets stuck. I have tried the cleanin procedure, and that helped a bit, but I'll probably swap it out for the trackpad, and maybe try the ball bearing hack or try to get the cup printed with sliperier material or something. | 18:05 |
| jackhill | er, I mean the ball itself is smooth, but the movement is rough | 18:06 |
| mntmn | jackhill: which material is your cup? SLA (semitransparent) or PLA (black)? | 18:07 |
| jackhill | PLA | 18:08 |
| jackhill | (I did by both modules, so swapping it out wouldn't be a big deal for me) | 18:09 |
| jackhill | s/by/buy/ | 18:10 |
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| ZylonMaster | hey there | 18:12 |
| ZylonMaster | hmm i must be late again... | 18:12 |
| ZylonMaster | oh well | 18:12 |
| ZylonMaster | just wondered how things were going here | 18:12 |
| ZylonMaster | :) | 18:12 |
| jackhill | ZylonMaster: well, I've had my Reform for less than a week, so it's all very exciting! How are things with you? | 18:13 |
| ZylonMaster | good | 18:13 |
| ZylonMaster | Im mostly waiting on the pocket version | 18:13 |
| ZylonMaster | heh | 18:13 |
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| ZylonMaster | for my uses, it will be more efficient then the big one | 18:14 |
| ZylonMaster | ;) | 18:14 |
| ZylonMaster | I have a year wait though | 18:14 |
| ZylonMaster | im sure | 18:14 |
| ZylonMaster | lol | 18:14 |
| ZylonMaster | or 2 depending on what it will be like | 18:14 |
| ZylonMaster | i mean stable prolly will be 2 | 18:14 |
| ZylonMaster | and you jackhill? | 18:15 |
| jackhill | ZylonMaster: I'm well. Back at work today after a mini-vacation. Can't decide if I want a keyboard or sleave, or if I should save up for the new processor modules or pocket reform. | 18:18 |
| jackhill | would be super to see more special edition sleaves in other colors, but piñatex doesn't seem to have a green color I'm really excited about unfortunately. | 18:19 |
| ZylonMaster | pocket reform looks like it will be good for two things | 18:20 |
| ZylonMaster | word processing, music and battery life | 18:20 |
| ZylonMaster | so 3 | 18:20 |
| ZylonMaster | lol | 18:20 |
| ZylonMaster | i love that about it though | 18:20 |
| jackhill | :D | 18:20 |
| ZylonMaster | If the mnt reform had 6-8 hours battery life, | 18:21 |
| ZylonMaster | i bet the pocket one could go beyond thatr | 18:21 |
| ZylonMaster | like 2x or more | 18:21 |
| ZylonMaster | even with a smaller battery | 18:21 |
| ZylonMaster | :) | 18:21 |
| ZylonMaster | I wonder how much it will cost... | 18:22 |
| ZylonMaster | what do you think? | 18:22 |
| ZylonMaster | thoughts jackhill? | 18:26 |
| jackhill | Computing on the go sounds cool, assuming I can start doing things out and about again. | 18:26 |
| ZylonMaster | yeah | 18:26 |
| ZylonMaster | but smaller screen size, would increase battery life in the case of the pocket version | 18:26 |
| ZylonMaster | right? | 18:27 |
| ZylonMaster | Although, I am curious by how much | 18:27 |
| jackhill | dunno, I'll deffer to mntmn :) | 18:31 |
| ZylonMaster | heh | 18:32 |
| ZylonMaster | same | 18:32 |
| ZylonMaster | probably | 18:32 |
| ZylonMaster | he doesnt know yet | 18:32 |
| ZylonMaster | either on price | 18:32 |
| ZylonMaster | so lets not | 18:32 |
| ZylonMaster | as for battery life, Im not sure | 18:33 |
| ZylonMaster | i would guess it would increase due to display using so much damn electricity | 18:33 |
| ZylonMaster | idk though | 18:33 |
| ZylonMaster | btw, https://github.com/antmicro/arvsom | 18:34 |
| ZylonMaster | apparently starfive will be making a quad core version | 18:34 |
| ZylonMaster | :) | 18:34 |
| ZylonMaster | the devs behind it | 18:34 |
| ZylonMaster | planning a new revision of it | 18:35 |
| ZylonMaster | I hope Mnt Reform's devs are watching that | 18:35 |
| ZylonMaster | :) | 18:35 |
| jackhill | I believe I've seen that here before, yes :) | 18:35 |
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| mntmn | ZylonMaster: there's no pocket discussion here until more of the hardware is defined. i would ask you just do wait. | 18:36 |
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| ZylonMaster | i imagine so | 18:36 |
| ZylonMaster | accidently closed window | 18:36 |
| ZylonMaster | ;/ | 18:36 |
| mntmn | ZylonMaster: did you get my message? | 18:36 |
| ZylonMaster | nope sorry | 18:36 |
| ZylonMaster | what did you say? | 18:36 |
| mntmn | <mntmn> ZylonMaster: there's no pocket discussion here until more of the hardware is defined. i would ask you just do wait. | 18:37 |
| ZylonMaster | ok | 18:37 |
| ZylonMaster | my bad | 18:37 |
| ZylonMaster | I didnt know | 18:37 |
| mntmn | i think i said that before ^^ | 18:37 |
| ZylonMaster | oh you did? | 18:37 |
| ZylonMaster | I thought you just told me, that theres no point | 18:37 |
| ZylonMaster | talkign about it | 18:38 |
| ZylonMaster | you didnt say it was a rule I thought | 18:38 |
| ZylonMaster | Maybe that's what you meant | 18:38 |
| mntmn | no, i meant i won't discuss it much | 18:38 |
| ZylonMaster | Ahhh | 18:38 |
| ZylonMaster | okay | 18:38 |
| ZylonMaster | Well either way, its good your telling me thids | 18:38 |
| ZylonMaster | this* | 18:38 |
| ZylonMaster | Its a rule now eh | 18:38 |
| mntmn | it makes a lot of noise, people are here mostly to get help/develop the current Reform, i would like to moderate that a bit | 18:39 |
| ZylonMaster | yeah | 18:39 |
| ZylonMaster | that makes sense | 18:39 |
| mntmn | it's not a rule, just a wish from my part | 18:39 |
| ZylonMaster | oh | 18:39 |
| jackhill | mntmn: anyway, my trackball has PLA parts | 18:39 |
| ZylonMaster | Well either way, feel free to notify me when the device is in beta or stable, I am the frostknight person who is on mastodon | 18:40 |
| ZylonMaster | I am sure you will have an announcement anyways | 18:40 |
| ZylonMaster | thou | 18:40 |
| mntmn | jackhill: hmm ok. it might make sense just to print one or few more if you have access to a 3d printer | 18:40 |
| mntmn | ZylonMaster: yeah you will not miss out on it ^^ | 18:40 |
| ZylonMaster | indeed | 18:40 |
| ZylonMaster | But on another subject, whats your thoughts about starfive's quad core version | 18:41 |
| ZylonMaster | it isnt out yet, | 18:41 |
| ZylonMaster | but they working on it | 18:41 |
| ZylonMaster | do you think a quad core could be an option for either in future | 18:41 |
| ZylonMaster | thats I guess my last thought for you | 18:42 |
| mntmn | i have a StarFive board here (BeagleV) but did not have enough time to even boot it yet | 18:42 |
| ZylonMaster | oh cool | 18:42 |
| ZylonMaster | nice | 18:42 |
| ZylonMaster | Does it have the 7110 or the regular | 18:42 |
| mntmn | i would like to make a fork of the antmicro som though | 18:42 |
| ZylonMaster | the regular being the dual core | 18:42 |
| mntmn | i don't know | 18:42 |
| ZylonMaster | awesome | 18:42 |
| ZylonMaster | sounds very good | 18:42 |
| ZylonMaster | a fork huh | 18:43 |
| ZylonMaster | how much would that cost | 18:43 |
| ZylonMaster | ?" | 18:43 |
| ZylonMaster | probably quite a damn lot | 18:43 |
| mntmn | i am not very comfortable being asked about prices all the time | 18:43 |
| ZylonMaster | sorry | 18:43 |
| jackhill | mntmn: I don't have a printer right now, but I should be getting a https://www.crowdsupply.com/lite3dp/lite3dp-3d-printer soon, which should be big enough. | 18:43 |
| ZylonMaster | I have my weird tendencies | 18:43 |
| ZylonMaster | to be way too curious | 18:43 |
| ZylonMaster | I will try to tone it down | 18:43 |
| mntmn | jackhill: the part is pretty small | 18:43 |
| mntmn | ZylonMaster: thanks | 18:43 |
| jackhill | It would also be a cool story to use one crowdsupply project to augment another one :) | 18:43 |
| mntmn | jackhill: oh for sure | 18:44 |
| ZylonMaster | Crowdfunding the risc-v fork? | 18:44 |
| ZylonMaster | good idea | 18:44 |
| mntmn | ZylonMaster: it's a different topic | 18:44 |
| ZylonMaster | right | 18:44 |
| jackhill | I also have a vanity project of making adding more green color parts to reform :) | 18:44 |
| ZylonMaster | You could do the same with any number of things | 18:44 |
| mntmn | jackhill: ohh that's a tiny printer | 18:44 |
| ZylonMaster | so lets, dont talk about pocket reform or money, or politics, is that the general consensus? I just don't want to get on your nerves | 18:46 |
| jackhill | smol! | 18:46 |
| ZylonMaster | see* | 18:46 |
| ZylonMaster | or is there anything else | 18:47 |
| ZylonMaster | ? | 18:47 |
| ZylonMaster | I guess Ill stick to that for now unless you say anything else | 18:47 |
| ZylonMaster | I hope your project stays alive for a very long time | 18:48 |
| ZylonMaster | though :) | 18:48 |
| mntmn | ZylonMaster: the channel is mainly to discuss MNT Reform technical/usability problems and solutions | 18:48 |
| ZylonMaster | thank you | 18:48 |
| ZylonMaster | that makes sense | 18:48 |
| ZylonMaster | It would help if that were stickied, but if not, I will do my best to remember | 18:49 |
| ZylonMaster | peace though | 18:49 |
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| mntmn | https://genodians.org/jws/2021-06-25-experimental-etnaviv-driver-port | 18:51 |
| mntmn | btw in case you didn't know, there is a Genode SD card image for Reform | 18:52 |
| mjw | jackhill, cool! I have guix on top of the Debian image on the nvme. Works great, except when their is no substitution yet and you'll have to build a giant dependency chain first. | 18:53 |
| jackhill | haha, yeah, hopefully we'll get better aarch64 substitute availability soon (and squash some rust on aarch64 bugs (that I think are unique to our bootstrapping path)). Getting more arm hardware in folks hands is definitely one piece of the puzzle | 18:55 |
| mjw | jackhill, I started hacking on the gcc rust frontend after trying to bootstrap rust with guix, I think we'll finish that frontend earlier than having 24 versions of rust and 6 versions of llvm bootrapped on the mnt reform :) | 18:56 |
| sbp | could maybe sponsor a build server collectively | 18:57 |
| sbp | nonguix have one, I noticed recently | 18:57 |
| mjw | Actually that makes it sound like the mnt reform is really slow. It isn't fast. But given that I am using it to build gcc on it (admittedly not bootstrapping it) means it is not that slow. | 18:57 |
| mntmn | reform is kind of medium speed! ;) | 18:58 |
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| nocko | I'm still waiting for mine, but with regard to speed, I prefer to think of it as "fit for purpose". | 20:25 |
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| jackhill | mjw: ha! That's important work, reguardless of build times. Thanks for working on it. | 21:05 |
| mjw | jackhill, I am afraid my contributions are rather small. Just simple parser sillyness here and there. | 21:08 |
| mjw | Luckily Rust isn't that difficult a language (yet?) | 21:09 |
| mjw | But a real frontend will take many months (years) and there are rather complex pieces (macros for example) nobody is working on yet. | 21:09 |
| jackhill | The work has to start somewhere | 21:11 |
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