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| + furan (~ian@38.75.239.86) | 00:15 | |
| furan | helo from my new reform! | 00:15 |
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| ex-parrot | \o/ | 00:16 |
| sknebel | \o/ | 00:17 |
| mtm | mntmn: it's great that you have that many sold. Guessing mine will ship directly from Germany (rather than CS since I bought after the campaign) when its time | 00:27 |
| - freakazoid333 (QUIT: Read error: Connection reset by peer) (~freakazoi@72.168.176.76) | 00:27 | |
| mntmn | hi furan! | 00:30 |
| mntmn | driving home now | 00:30 |
| furan | cool | 00:30 |
| furan | closing the lid for a bit I imagine my irc will drop if so bbiab | 00:41 |
| furan | oh nm | 00:44 |
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| + furan (~ian@38.75.239.86) | 00:55 | |
| verx | should have checked on IRC before I also cracked the side acrylic panel :) | 00:58 |
| verx | it gives it character. everything else is flawless! | 00:59 |
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| mntmn | verx: oop! | 01:05 |
| + freakazoid333 (~freakazoi@72.168.176.97) | 01:11 | |
| indefini[m] | verx: hehe | 02:00 |
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| ex-parrot | you need a few scratches so you know it’s yours | 02:04 |
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| Asmadeus | debian not having sbin in its PATH for users is one of the most annoying decision they ever took for me... (re: missing commands without sudo) | 04:25 |
| + MichaelMaymays (~Michael@host-204-118-069-211.dhcp.fewpb.net) | 05:00 | |
| MichaelMaymays | hi, i was just wondering if the mnt reform will continue to be sold going into the future, or if the croudfunding campaign will be the only way to buy one? | 05:00 |
| Asmadeus | MichaelMaymays: mntmn said he can't put it up in the shop until all campaign orders are fullfilled, per his agreement with crowdsupply | 05:09 |
| Asmadeus | once that's finished he will put it on the shop | 05:09 |
| Asmadeus | (I'm not affiliated so obviously can't say anything long term, but he'll correct me when he wakes up :-D) | 05:10 |
| MichaelMaymays | ah okay, i was just curious because i didn't see it on the shop and the blog post read like the croudfunding campaign would be the only way to buy it for some reason | 05:11 |
| MichaelMaymays | i hope to buy one within the next year or two hopefully | 05:11 |
| MichaelMaymays | hopefully by then the issues with things like xorg should be ironed out too | 05:11 |
| ex-parrot | I am cautiously optimsitic that the xorg thing is fixable | 05:17 |
| MichaelMaymays | i hope so, because i want to use my patched dwm build and i don't believe i can use that with wayland | 05:18 |
| MichaelMaymays | although that might be wrong as i don't know a whole lot about wayland | 05:18 |
| ex-parrot | I'm still hoping to run xorg myself as well | 05:18 |
| MichaelMaymays | also, would it be possible to replace those alt keys in the spacebar with a regular full-sized spacebar? | 05:18 |
| Asmadeus | If there's interest, everything is fixable. I think I'll run wmii in cage until I can take the time to rewrite it with wlroots eventually... one day™ | 05:18 |
| Asmadeus | regular full-sized spacebar needs a stabilizer (the reason it got split in the first place iirc) so that's probably difficult | 05:19 |
| MichaelMaymays | ah ok, that sucks | 05:19 |
| Asmadeus | you can remap keys so all 4 act as space though if you really want | 05:19 |
| MichaelMaymays | hmm, that may be a solution | 05:19 |
| MichaelMaymays | i think once i get one i'll just try to get used to the space positioning first though | 05:19 |
| Asmadeus | First impression after just 30 minutes on mine yesterday (damn work!) is spaces are ok for me | 05:20 |
| ex-parrot | split spacebar is really good imo | 05:20 |
| Asmadeus | I'm more annoyed with the right shift | 05:20 |
| ex-parrot | you'll come to lov it | 05:20 |
| ex-parrot | I like to have half the spacebar as an enter and half as space | 05:20 |
| ex-parrot | (on existing split keyboards anyway) | 05:20 |
| Asmadeus | "?, up, right shift" is something I'll probably never get used to :D | 05:20 |
| MichaelMaymays | so is debian the only OS that supports it right now or can i just run any arm64 distro? i was under the impression that it needs a custom kernel or something currently | 05:20 |
| Asmadeus | There's just a couple of patches left, it will definitely run any arm distro in a couple of years | 05:21 |
| MichaelMaymays | awesome | 05:21 |
| Asmadeus | you can still use any distro right now and just use the reform kernel also | 05:21 |
| MichaelMaymays | oh yeah i just noticed the rshift thing, thats kind of funky | 05:21 |
| MichaelMaymays | that would take some getting used to | 05:21 |
| MichaelMaymays | im willing to overlook those little keyboard issues though considering how awesome the rest of the laptop is | 05:21 |
| MichaelMaymays | that would just take some adjusting is all, not a deal breaker | 05:22 |
| MichaelMaymays | so how exactly is the firmware/bios/bootloader stuff set up? is it possible to multiboot for example? | 05:23 |
| Asmadeus | current uboot doesn't have screen/keyboard output so that'll be difficult, but there's also work for that in progress | 05:23 |
| MichaelMaymays | ah | 05:23 |
| MichaelMaymays | i would like to dual boot a linux system and maybe windows for arm if that gets ported, so that i can play my games and use things like photoshop and premiere | 05:24 |
| Asmadeus | So will probably be possible in a bit, he had a uboot with output working, just need keyboard fixed | 05:24 |
| Asmadeus | can't say anything about windows though :D | 05:24 |
| MichaelMaymays | yeah windows may be a stretch, im hopeful though | 05:25 |
| ex-parrot | also worst case you can probably re-spin the keyboard PCB with whatever funky layout you wanted | 05:25 |
| MichaelMaymays | another option might be some kind of x86 emulator like qemu userland or box86 in linux | 05:25 |
| ex-parrot | Windows for ARM would be unlikely I think | 05:25 |
| MichaelMaymays | i could even just run a straight up windows x86 vm in qemu/libvirt as well | 05:25 |
| ex-parrot | x86 VMs will be slow due to CPU emulation, but should be possible | 05:25 |
| MichaelMaymays | should be fine for the type of games i would expect to play on a laptop anyways | 05:25 |
| MichaelMaymays | right now i have a nearly 10 year old thinkpad which isnt exactly a gaming machine either | 05:26 |
| ex-parrot | yeah :) | 05:26 |
| ex-parrot | plus things like ScummVM I think ought to work pretty well on arm now too | 05:26 |
| MichaelMaymays | main game i would play on it would probably be minecraft, which is just java so i can run it natively on arm anyways, with no emulation | 05:26 |
| ex-parrot | yeah, easy | 05:26 |
| ex-parrot | I think I even saw a screenshot of someone running minecraft on reform | 05:26 |
| MichaelMaymays | awesome | 05:26 |
| Asmadeus | there's minetest installed in the base image he ships | 05:26 |
| MichaelMaymays | ill also be playing some older pc games like gta sa:mp and things like that | 05:26 |
| MichaelMaymays | im not going to run the stock image, im not a big debian fan | 05:27 |
| ex-parrot | I wouldn't count on anything that needs "3D" running in CPU emulation especially well | 05:27 |
| ex-parrot | but I guess we won't know until we try it :P | 05:27 |
| MichaelMaymays | apparently box86 can run older 3d games very well on arm laptops | 05:27 |
| MichaelMaymays | from looking at their compatibility list on github | 05:27 |
| ex-parrot | oh ok, I am out of the loop on that | 05:27 |
| ex-parrot | nice to know | 05:27 |
| ex-parrot | I guess it's doing some fancier emulation | 05:28 |
| MichaelMaymays | people are playing stuff like portal 2, half life deathmatch, flatout, diablo 2, etc | 05:28 |
| MichaelMaymays | box86 is also 32-bit only though which means i will need multilib | 05:28 |
| ex-parrot | my general approach is to wipe whatever a computer comes with and run my own Debian install, but I might not do that for Reform at least initially, because it sounds like the image is fairly well customised | 05:28 |
| MichaelMaymays | does multilib even exist on arm64? | 05:28 |
| ex-parrot | yeah | 05:28 |
| ex-parrot | well, in some form | 05:28 |
| MichaelMaymays | alright cool | 05:29 |
| ex-parrot | I have added 32 bit x86 arch to a Debian arm box and used qemu_binfmt | 05:29 |
| ex-parrot | in the past | 05:29 |
| MichaelMaymays | i will probably run arch linux on it, thats the most familiar for me | 05:29 |
| Asmadeus | arm64 can also run arm32 binaries | 05:29 |
| MichaelMaymays | its not that i cant use debian, but i just have too many issues with apt | 05:29 |
| MichaelMaymays | always end up with broken deps and stuff like that for some reason | 05:29 |
| ex-parrot | I've been using Debian for about 20 years so I am kind of stuck on it myself :P | 05:29 |
| MichaelMaymays | Asmadeus: box86 apparently doesnt work in 64-bit mode, it needs to be 32-bit little endian in particular | 05:30 |
| MichaelMaymays | thats what the github says anyways | 05:30 |
| MichaelMaymays | says you need a 32-bit subsystem and toolchain, 64-bit only systems cant run it | 05:30 |
| Asmadeus | I stick by what I said. it's exactly like x86_64 and i386, you still need multilib | 05:30 |
| MichaelMaymays | ex-parrot: my first distros were damn small linux and ubuntu 10.04, back when i was a kid, so i used debian for a long time too | 05:31 |
| MichaelMaymays | but recently i've had bad experiences with apt on it | 05:31 |
| ex-parrot | _b | 05:31 |
| ex-parrot | yeah fair enough, if you don't just stick to what's in stable you can bork it relatively quickly | 05:31 |
| MichaelMaymays | i have debian unstable with bedrock on my thinkpad right now | 05:32 |
| MichaelMaymays | but i try not to screw with it too much so i dont break something | 05:32 |
| MichaelMaymays | on the mnt reform (once i get one) i will probably just run arch w/ multilib | 05:32 |
| ex-parrot | seems reasonable to me | 05:33 |
| ex-parrot | I've used ALARM a bit | 05:33 |
| MichaelMaymays | i've only used it on i386 and x86_64, never actually had an arm computer myself | 05:34 |
| MichaelMaymays | only alternative arch ive had is ppc32be and ppc64be | 05:34 |
| MichaelMaymays | (apple powermacs from many years ago) | 05:35 |
| ex-parrot | oh nice | 05:35 |
| ex-parrot | POWER is making a bit of a comeback | 05:35 |
| MichaelMaymays | mine arent power though, they're powerpc | 05:35 |
| ex-parrot | same thing isn't it? | 05:35 |
| MichaelMaymays | no, powerpc is based on power but its not the same | 05:36 |
| ex-parrot | ah ok, I didn't realise that | 05:36 |
| MichaelMaymays | especially if you're comparing to something like power9 which is little endian and a completely different instruction set | 05:36 |
| MichaelMaymays | the old powerpc chips have crap support in linux/bsd/etc in comparison | 05:36 |
| MichaelMaymays | almost no distros support them anymore | 05:36 |
| MichaelMaymays | i typically just run some form of apple mac os on them | 05:36 |
| ex-parrot | mm, I always thought PPC was on the POWER lineage but I see it's a "based on" architectyre | 05:36 |
| MichaelMaymays | ya | 05:37 |
| ex-parrot | TIL :) | 05:37 |
| MichaelMaymays | so what is the battery life like on the mnt reform? i assume it's quite good being arm and all? | 05:38 |
| Asmadeus | I don't think anyone in these timezones have experience with that yet | 05:38 |
| MichaelMaymays | ah alright | 05:38 |
| Asmadeus | (ask again when europe is awake) | 05:39 |
| ex-parrot | I feel like it was "fine but not amazing" or something? like 4-6 hours maybe? | 05:39 |
| ex-parrot | but I could just have been imagining that | 05:39 |
| Asmadeus | but either way there's room for improvement | 05:39 |
| MichaelMaymays | the idea of just using regular battery cells is awesome though, gone are the days of having to scour for rare proprietary batteries on ebay | 05:39 |
| ex-parrot | yeah | 05:39 |
| MichaelMaymays | 4-6 hours is great by my standards | 05:39 |
| ex-parrot | that's what ultimately killed my Novena (well, a bunch of things did) | 05:39 |
| ex-parrot | was the surprisingly proprietary battery died | 05:39 |
| MichaelMaymays | i'm coming from an ancient thinkpad with a nearly dead battery, i get maybe 1 or 2 hours on a full charge | 05:39 |
| ex-parrot | and the case didn't really have room for enough 18650s | 05:39 |
| MichaelMaymays | yeah | 05:39 |
| ex-parrot | mm I've been using my X230 with the "slim" pack recently which is like 90 minutes :P | 05:40 |
| MichaelMaymays | thats the issue im having with my thinkpad actually, its pretty much impossible to find a battery for them anymore | 05:40 |
| MichaelMaymays | unless i want to gamble with a chinesium clone | 05:40 |
| ex-parrot | yeah | 05:44 |
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| - Neelfyn (QUIT: Quit: Connection closed for inactivity) (uid180106@id-180106.stonehaven.irccloud.com) | 05:56 | |
| verx | after a few hours of DD duty, thanks to the mnt crew for capturing the experience of 80s computers. the "oob experience" and docs are phenomenal. | 07:13 |
| verx | I almost want to map the larger trackball buttons to spacebar | 07:14 |
| jackhill | Woo, got my reform put together, and I don't think I made any mistakes! | 07:39 |
| jackhill | How do I adjust the display backlight in sway? | 07:39 |
| scops | Super+f2 i think | 07:53 |
| + Neelfyn (uid180106@id-180106.stonehaven.irccloud.com) | 09:25 | |
| - freakazoid334 (QUIT: Read error: Connection reset by peer) (~freakazoi@72.168.176.97) | 10:06 | |
| + freakazoid333 (~freakazoi@72.168.176.66) | 10:07 | |
| + mjw (~mjw_@2001:1c06:2487:f800:9e5c:8eff:fe8f:a440) | 12:12 | |
| - erlehmann (QUIT: Ping timeout: 268 seconds) (~erle@dynamic-046-114-037-165.46.114.pool.telefonica.de) | 12:13 | |
| + erlehmann (~erle@dynamic-046-114-033-197.46.114.pool.telefonica.de) | 12:27 | |
| mntmn | ah, MichaelMaymays is already gone. someone could have told him he can try to run dwm in cage | 13:12 |
| mntmn | ah, Asmadeus you did | 13:13 |
| Asmadeus | he's not buying a reform for another couple of years anyway :) | 13:13 |
| Asmadeus | I don't think that had anything to do about xorg problems | 13:13 |
| mntmn | Asmadeus: btw you could swap | 13:13 |
| mntmn | Asmadeus: ... right shift and cursor up, for example | 13:13 |
| Asmadeus | yes that's what I was planning to do | 13:14 |
| mntmn | i have ran windows on arm on the device in qemu-kvm, but the perf is not optimal due to missing graphics drivers | 13:14 |
| Asmadeus | Got quite a few changes planned for keyboard, one of the reasons I've been looking for keyboards with open firmware for a while ;p | 13:15 |
| mntmn | if windows were to support virgil... | 13:15 |
| Asmadeus | (You can do quite a bit with an xkb map but there are limits with e.g. fn keys) | 13:16 |
| mntmn | verx: cool, thanks! | 13:17 |
| mntmn | jackhill: also, congratz for successful diy build! | 13:17 |
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| + erlehmann (~erle@dynamic-046-114-033-197.46.114.pool.telefonica.de) | 13:21 | |
| + adjtm_ (~adjtm@188.26.199.251) | 13:40 | |
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| jackhill | mntmn: thanks! I'll try to write up my first impressions to the community site next week. | 16:12 |
| jackhill | One thing now though, the volume from the interal speakers seems low (even with it turned up all the way in pavucontrol) is that expected? The quality seems fine, so I think I got everything seated properly. | 16:13 |
| mntmn | jackhill: yeah, it is not super loud--i think this is because of the hardware filtering. but you can boost it a bit more with alsamixer i think. it has some extra knobs that don't show up in pulseaudio | 16:22 |
| mntmn | first photo of LS1028A module https://mastodon.social/web/statuses/106466121437380755 | 16:24 |
| jackhill | mntmn: as long as it is working as it's suppoed to, and I'm not having some wierd problem that's good :) | 16:26 |
| + odnes (~odnes@109-178-243-192.pat.ren.cosmote.net) | 16:30 | |
| scops | <mntmn "first photo of LS1028A module ht"> Looks very good... do you have any benchmarks to compare the module with the i.mx8 version we have in our lovely black hardware atm? :) | 17:02 |
| scops | (MNT is the new NeXT ... x) ) | 17:02 |
| + odnes_ (~odnes@109-178-243-192.pat.ren.cosmote.net) | 17:04 | |
| - odnes (QUIT: Ping timeout: 268 seconds) (~odnes@109-178-243-192.pat.ren.cosmote.net) | 17:04 | |
| mntmn | scops: no benchmarks yet, but the single-thread performance is noticeably better. i think imx8m is a better at compiling larger codebases though. but i have tested ls1028a only from SD card so far, not nvme... | 17:13 |
| jackhill | While my previous computer also only had 4G, I'm definitely looking forward to the memory boost with the LS1028A. | 17:20 |
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| + tadeus_brick (tadeustad@psifactor.pl) | 17:35 | |
| + sknebel (~quassel@v22016013254630973.happysrv.de) | 17:37 | |
| mjw | mntmn, why do you think the imx8m is better at compiling larger codebases? Isn't the bottleneck memory? | 18:02 |
| swivel | more cores? | 18:04 |
| swivel | parallel builds scale well to multiple processors | 18:04 |
| mjw | ah, 2 x a72 vs 4 x a53 | 18:06 |
| mntmn | yep | 18:17 |
| - odnes_ (QUIT: Read error: Connection reset by peer) (~odnes@109-178-243-192.pat.ren.cosmote.net) | 18:21 | |
| schneider | can bus + pci express :) | 18:59 |
| mtm | is the CAN bus accessible? would make for an interesting automotive tool, especially in the Pocket Reform | 19:36 |
| mntmn | i believe not in this rev at least | 19:38 |
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