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| scops | Hey :) | 12:15 |
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| scops | mntmn: anbox is not out of the box useable with the default kernel... or do i miss something besides installing the anbox package? | 12:16 |
| scops | ashmem is there but binder not (says anbox system-info) | 12:17 |
| Asmadeus | you'll probably need to recompile a kernel with that, lookg for CONFIG_ANDROID_BINDER_IPC (and possibly BINDERFS, not sure if anbox requires that too) | 12:30 |
| scops | Yeah, but recompile takes some time :) hopefully in the near future mainline compatibility is given and the kernel comes from official sources :/ | 12:32 |
| Asmadeus | I'm not sure about debian but to be fair I don't think many distros enable BINDER so you might be out of luck either way :P | 12:33 |
| scops | But loadable kernel modules would be a way ;) | 12:38 |
| mntmn | huh | 13:47 |
| mntmn | that's an oversight on my part then | 13:48 |
| mntmn | scops: i don't know how to integrate custom kernel with debian and modules, but if someone would help with that... | 13:48 |
| scops | i would if i could :) | 13:49 |
| mntmn | mntmn@reform:/sys$ zcat /proc/config.gz | grep BINDER | 13:49 |
| mntmn | CONFIG_ANDROID_BINDER_IPC=y | 13:49 |
| mntmn | CONFIG_ANDROID_BINDERFS=y | 13:49 |
| mntmn | CONFIG_ANDROID_BINDER_DEVICES="binder,hwbinder,vndbinder" | 13:49 |
| mntmn | scops: are you sure it's not in the kernel? can you execute this command? | 13:49 |
| scops | anbox doesn't detect it... so i can't start android :/ | 13:51 |
| scops | i dont know WHY it doesnt detect it... or how it checks | 13:51 |
| mntmn | scops: i have run anbox so it's not the kernels' fault. anbox is just tricky to get started. | 13:54 |
| mntmn | scops: there was something about naming of paths in /dev, like binder vs binderfs and stuff. very fiddly | 13:54 |
| scops | hmmm o.o | 13:55 |
| scops | so.... is anbox worth it? how much resources does it cost for example to run fennec? | 13:55 |
| mntmn | i remember i even had to patch something in anbox code because of lxc incompatibilities | 13:55 |
| mntmn | what is fennec? | 13:55 |
| scops | the open version of firefox for android | 13:56 |
| scops | just to name a more or less resource hungry app ;) | 13:56 |
| mntmn | anbox is pretty unstable | 13:56 |
| scops | hmmm ok, then it's nothing for me atm x.x i'm a little frustrated of the speed of the reform atm... so i thought it would be maybe a possability to run mobile apps instead of desktop programms - hell even abiword is really slow with gtk3 x.x the old one on my pandora runs faster | 13:59 |
| scops | (which uses gtk2) | 13:59 |
| scops | (it's not a fault of the reform... it's just the resource hungry versions of programms today) | 13:59 |
| mntmn | android will not help you. | 14:00 |
| mntmn | also, in my experience libreoffice is fast? | 14:00 |
| mntmn | (and preinstalled) | 14:00 |
| scops | fast is relative... but yes for writing text documents it is ok | 14:02 |
| mntmn | what do you need to do exactly? | 14:03 |
| mntmn | i just had a almost 2 hour phone call on reform with talky with a developer incl. screensharing and using gitlab in chromium | 14:04 |
| mntmn | scops: can you describe what you are doing exactly and what is slow? | 14:04 |
| dodo | mntmn: afaik debian kernel source packages contain a patch directory, the source for e.g. linux-image-5.10.0-7-rt-amd64 probably does that | 14:05 |
| dodo | mntmn: i guess the default way would be to package your kernel into a deb, the rest of the integration would be supposed to work then | 14:06 |
| mntmn | dodo: alright | 14:06 |
| dodo | also https://kernel-team.pages.debian.net/kernel-handbook/ch-common-tasks.html#s-common-official | 14:06 |
| mntmn | scops: firefox is in general slower than chromium though | 14:07 |
| scops | the slowness is a generall "problem" but i expected it comming from a i7 cpu... i just hadn't expect linux would be slower on some points as my pandora... but that was not my problem. my problem was related to pdfs and libreoffice draw was the app that was slow on this part. i just wanted to fill out pdf forms, which doesn't seem to be easy on linux in general | 14:07 |
| mntmn | scops: it would really help if you could be very specific on what application and use case you have problems with, or it's hard for me to offer solutions/suggestions | 14:08 |
| mntmn | because there's often multiple ways to accomplish something, and some are faster, some slower on reform/imx8mq | 14:09 |
| mntmn | for example, i just tested abiword vs libreoffice writer, and writer is much more responsive | 14:10 |
| scops | i didnt wanted to ask here ... but ok: i had a form from the RKI for vaccination and another with no forms in it so i needed to place text fields. the second one could be done with okular. the first one has display errors (radio "crosses" displayed next to the radio) and text was missplaced to the input. | 14:11 |
| mntmn | ok, the PDF form i would fill out with chromium | 14:11 |
| mntmn | and the placing of text fields i would to with inkscape | 14:11 |
| mntmn | s/to/do | 14:12 |
| scops | on mac os you have the weight light preview app for this... :) something like this i was missing | 14:12 |
| mntmn | in general i use evince for reading pdfs | 14:12 |
| scops | for reading: yes, i too | 14:12 |
| mntmn | scops: i just tested and i can easily fill out the RKI form in chromium on reform and it is quick | 14:13 |
| scops | i never thought a browser would be nice for something like this x.x | 14:14 |
| mntmn | it is, though | 14:14 |
| mntmn | there is nothing like "preview" on linux that is as good as the one on mac os. so it's better to use the best tool for the individual task | 14:16 |
| scops | yeah... okular is "nearly" as nice as preview | 14:16 |
| scops | if the display errors got fixed | 14:17 |
| scops | (for forms ^^) | 14:17 |
| mntmn | inkscape is not optimal for drawing on multi-page pdfs though... it can only open 1 page at a time. so probably scribus is better here | 14:18 |
| scops | i tryed it... but it just hangs for me... ok i just canceld the import after 5 mins... x.x | 14:19 |
| scops | maybe i just too much spoiled from macOS xD | 14:20 |
| mntmn | haha yeah i just tested that, it has some strange problems | 14:23 |
| scops | ^^ | 14:23 |
| mntmn | scops: is reform your first experience with linux? or do you have another linux machine? | 14:23 |
| scops | nono... but the first after ~20 years on the desktop :) | 14:23 |
| mntmn | i'm installing okular now also to test it | 14:23 |
| mntmn | scops: wow ok! so, quite some frustration is expected | 14:24 |
| scops | i hoped linux evolved more in the past years... i used it on my desktop back in ~96-2000 besides BeOS :) | 14:24 |
| scops | about 2001 i got my first mac with macos 10.0 xD | 14:25 |
| mntmn | ah nice, i also used BeOS back then | 14:25 |
| scops | since then i used macos till 10.14 (10.15 is 64bit only and i still have 32bit apps on macos) and macOS is a no go for me | 14:25 |
| scops | * since then i used macos till 10.14 (10.15 is 64bit only and i still have 32bit apps on macos) and macOS 11 is a no go for me | 14:25 |
| mntmn | scops: ok so okular is definitely the fastest tool to open + annotate PDF | 14:27 |
| scops | hmmm really? #beos.de on ircnet? | 14:27 |
| scops | <mntmn "scops: ok so okular is definitel"> yeah | 14:27 |
| mntmn | i don't think i was in a german chat. | 14:27 |
| mntmn | i don't remember. i made an app back then called Melt, it was a gui for cdrecord | 14:27 |
| mntmn | i was like 15 at the time | 14:28 |
| scops | yeah i used melt xD | 14:28 |
| mntmn | lol | 14:28 |
| mntmn | it was really badly written! i still have the sources | 14:28 |
| mntmn | hey okular is really nice actually. thanks for the hint! | 14:28 |
| scops | :) i hope we can try kde on wayland in the near future on the reform x) | 14:29 |
| mntmn | yeah, i don't know what the problem with that was. i even ran it on imx6 reform 1 before | 14:29 |
| mntmn | in ~theory~ it should work well | 14:30 |
| scops | <mntmn "it was really badly written! i s"> *g* at this time i just "ported" some icons / wrote bash scripts and published it bebits... | 14:30 |
| mntmn | but it was hanging for me on start | 14:30 |
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