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| Asmadeus | nomachine is a mess with licensing, you can try x2go which is basically what nomachine is based on if you'd like | 01:06 |
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| ex-parrot | I use xpra for that | 01:07 |
| Asmadeus | But for wayland based setup I'm happy with waypipe | 01:07 |
| ex-parrot | I had to give up on Wayland because of too many bugs / stuff isn't comparable to X yet :/ | 01:07 |
| ex-parrot | I am hoping I can get accelerated X working on my Reform | 01:07 |
| Asmadeus | What are you missing on wayland? Or is it just not working for your apps? | 01:08 |
| ex-parrot | just annoying bugs like it not registering the mouse position properly, scaling being blurry, no good replacement for rofi or xdotool | 01:08 |
| ex-parrot | like I could drag select upwards in terminals but not downards | 01:09 |
| Asmadeus | I'm currently using wmii and find it very hard to use sway due to subtle behaviour change.. but that's not really a bug :D | 01:09 |
| ex-parrot | and often I couldn't select the bottom item in dropdown menus without going off the bottom of the menu then back up slowly | 01:09 |
| Asmadeus | hm didn't experience that, what terminal? | 01:09 |
| ex-parrot | xfce4-terminal | 01:09 |
| ex-parrot | on Bullseye | 01:09 |
| ex-parrot | and just all my stuff doesn't work, like I have to use a different screenshot program, different launchers, different screen locker, different power management, different keyboard configuration | 01:10 |
| ex-parrot | etc etc | 01:10 |
| Asmadeus | for blurry, it's "just" X apps, which isn't great if you use a lot of them but the workaround is to not mess with scale and increase font sizes. | 01:10 |
| Asmadeus | I heard people use rofi on sway so it should work | 01:11 |
| ex-parrot | it doesn't work properly unfortunately | 01:11 |
| Asmadeus | But yeah, the migration effort is there | 01:11 |
| ex-parrot | a bunch of the features don't work, like it opens on the wrong monitor / in the wrong window | 01:11 |
| ex-parrot | the only three pieces of software I use are Chromium, Sylpheed and xfce4-terminal and of those only one of then is native Wayland :( | 01:11 |
| Asmadeus | opening on the wrong monitor is unfortunately another Xwayland "feature", as it's a single wayland client for the compositor it doesn't know where your app is focused :/ | 01:11 |
| ex-parrot | yeah, but that doesn't change that it doesn't work for me :P | 01:12 |
| Asmadeus | Right | 01:12 |
| ex-parrot | and I had other bugs like I haven't seen on GTK/X for decades like context menus opening in the wrong place etc | 01:12 |
| Asmadeus | Just out of curiosity, have you tried cage with a single Xwayland client running your X window manager? | 01:13 |
| Asmadeus | mntmn posted an example for xfce iirc | 01:13 |
| Asmadeus | That'd get you acceleration and should behave just like X in theory (except for things like randr, which stopped me for considering it too seriously) | 01:14 |
| ex-parrot | I'm not familiar with that. I normally just use i3 on X, so sway ought to be a good replacement | 01:30 |
| ex-parrot | tbh I'm perfectly happy just continuing to use X | 01:30 |
| mntmn | ex-parrot: going via cage + rooted xwayland will probably get you to your goal faster. (check out reform-wmaker!) | 01:34 |
| ex-parrot | I will do | 01:34 |
| ex-parrot | tho is it entirely impossible to run xorg? | 01:34 |
| mntmn | ex-parrot: with X, you'll have to debug the xserver/glamor | 01:34 |
| mntmn | yes, it is broken | 01:34 |
| ex-parrot | boo :( | 01:34 |
| ex-parrot | ok | 01:34 |
| ex-parrot | ty for the heads up | 01:34 |
| ex-parrot | I don't know what glamor is either so that is probably a difficult road to go down | 01:35 |
| mntmn | glamor is some code in the xserver which does hw accelerated rendering. i think the bug is in there somewhere. | 01:36 |
| ex-parrot | ah right, it seems like a "render everything with GL" extension | 01:36 |
| mntmn | you can probably run X on /dev/fb0 with the fbdev module of X and no hw accel. if you manage to configure it so that it actually works. i had that working once. still, i much rather would use cage+fullscreen xwayland | 01:38 |
| ex-parrot | fbdev is a reasonable option for me if I can get it working as well | 01:38 |
| ex-parrot | I'll have a look at cage tho for sure | 01:38 |
| mntmn | all your problems except maybe keyboard config should go away there | 01:41 |
| mntmn | like weird popup behavior, and xdotool will work etc | 01:41 |
| ex-parrot | tbh I can /live/ with things like "having to configure keyboard in two places" | 01:42 |
| ex-parrot | it's just annoying :P | 01:42 |
| ex-parrot | on novena I never got the vivante drivers to work, so I just used fbdev | 01:45 |
| ex-parrot | does reform use the etnaviv drivers? | 01:56 |
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| Asmadeus | yes, etnaviv on reform2 | 05:49 |
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| flowy | mntmn: hi, just wondering- have last eu campaign orders shipped? haven't received any updates for a while | 12:25 |
| mntmn | flowy: update is already written but waiting for CS to publish it | 12:32 |
| mntmn | short story: all remaining eu crowdfunded orders will go out this week and we're starting with non EU | 12:32 |
| flowy | kewl. thanks | 12:35 |
| mjw | mntmn, I ordered a separate keyboard using a SEPA transfer this weekend. paypal/credit card weren't working for some reason (probably local issue, blocking all javascript). Let me know if that worked out (dunno how long a SEPA transfer takes). | 13:10 |
| Kooda | SEPA can take up to 3 business days, iirc | 13:11 |
| mjw | OK. It isn't urgent. I believe the keyboards aren't shipping till next month anyway. | 13:13 |
| mntmn | correct, thanks for the order mjw | 13:15 |
| mntmn | we could still use a bunch more keyboard orders ;3 | 13:15 |
| mjw | yeah, there is probably a bit of a chicken and egg problem there. They aren't cheap. So you probably only order one if you have tried one and like it... | 13:17 |
| mjw | Smart move providing them "for free" with the reform to get people hooked :) | 13:19 |
| mntmn | haha | 13:32 |
| mntmn | i look forward to physical events happening at some point so people can show their reform gear around, and we can, too... | 13:33 |
| mjw | yes! | 13:33 |
| Kooda | That would be cool :D | 13:33 |
| mjw | ACTION is getting his first shot this Friday | 13:33 |
| Kooda | Nice! :D | 13:36 |
| mntmn | congratz! | 13:38 |
| mntmn | i'm waiting to get my second one near end of july | 13:38 |
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| devyl | hm... fwupd / fwupd-arm64-signed is installed on my reform (dont know if something i installed have installed these packages or if they was there already...) now there is a update for fwupd but it can't be installed (package is held back?!). since it is for uefi; do i need this package mntmn? | 21:46 |
| mntmn | devyl: not needed | 21:48 |
| devyl | check... i thought so... :) | 21:50 |
| devyl | thx | 21:50 |
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| Asmadeus | I plan on ordering a keyboard after trying out the layout on the reform when it gets here; but yeah it's not cheap enough to just buy right now... unless.. you said you're shipping the reforms out of EU directly now as well now? If I get a keyboard would it be possible to ship both together? (I can wait an extra month on reform) | 22:53 |
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| mntmn | Asmadeus: if you are a crowdfunding backer then yes (i.e. backed before june 18) | 23:02 |
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