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| mntmn | ex-parrot: we had a delay shipping the last 20 EU reforms. they're all tested but currently being packaged. the delay was due to my coworker having to move after berlin mietendeckel collapse. | 11:54 |
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| Kooda | Damn, that sucks :/ | 11:58 |
| Kooda | Hope they are fine :) | 11:58 |
| mntmn | now yes. but it was a very stressful week. | 12:03 |
| Kooda | Yes, I can imagine :/ | 12:03 |
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| forthdude[m] | just read up on the mietendeckel mess, what a disaster | 16:38 |
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| alex4nder | hey | 16:46 |
| mntmn | hi | 17:02 |
| alex4nder | mntmn: how're things? | 17:09 |
| alex4nder | I put in an address update at CS; I'm going to have it sent to a forwarder since I'm traveling | 17:13 |
| alex4nder | it'll be an interest DIY assembly from tools in the suitcase | 17:13 |
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| grimler32 | Are There Any Al1ens Or T1me Traveler Here Today Who Can Help Me? PM me please. | 19:03 |
| devyl | dont think so... but it depends on how you define what a alien or tt is ^^ | 19:06 |
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| grimler32 | a being which comes from another planet/time or dimension or a traveler with mechanical means to reverse time | 19:14 |
| devyl | why should somebody like this answer you? => "dont think so" | 19:16 |
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| jnerula | What better place to find time travelers and aliens than IRC? | 19:46 |
| grimler32 | ive already had a few which claimed to be travelers but were not willing to help me due to some stupid future lawas regulations | 19:47 |
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| jnerula | That seems unlikely | 19:52 |
| devyl | indeed | 19:55 |
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| mntmn | grimler32: i don't think traveling back in time is possible because it creates all sort of paradoxes, so i think you can only go to the future (with cryotechnology or something) | 20:14 |
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| mtm | ah, but what if time is a persistent datatype: going back and "modifying" things just sets up a new branch on the trie and bifurcates the timeline at that point | 20:35 |
| mtm | which also would mean the results of timetravel would not be observable to anyone outside the traveler | 20:42 |
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| mntmn | mtm: but bifurcating the whole universe sounds very expensive in terms of energy ;) | 21:22 |
| mntmn | mtm: also if you could go back it means that every past state of the universe still has to exist, or you could not go back to it with your time machine | 21:23 |
| mntmn | mtm: i'm not sure entropy works that way... | 21:24 |
| mntmn | so, you would need 2 hypothetical things to exist: 1. the universe keeping a record of all of its past contents and 2. the possibility to tunnel to one of the past states and from there branch off a new reality | 21:26 |
| mntmn | both of these feel incredibly expensive | 21:26 |
| mntmn | i think it's much more realistic to create a satisfying simulation of time travel for yourself | 21:27 |
| mntmn | using some kind of virtual reality that is so good that you won't notice it's not real time travel | 21:27 |
| mntmn | computer games :3 | 21:28 |
| mtm | mntmn: yeah, relying on some faulty logic holding onto a head and preventing the great cosmic GC from reaping the past seems overly optimistic | 21:28 |
| mntmn | yeah | 21:28 |
| mntmn | and creating some sort of matrix that will fool you into having travelled in time is like infinitely more plausible to happen | 21:29 |
| mtm | T | 21:29 |
| mtm | the whole notion of "past" and "future" are just conviences anyway, there is only "now" | 21:31 |
| mntmn | agreed | 21:31 |
| mntmn | the past is only there because you have a memory in your brain | 21:31 |
| mntmn | OTOH without any kind of short term memory you could not even perceive motion | 21:33 |
| mtm | yep, and evertime you remember something you're really remembering rmembering it (aside from the first time) | 21:33 |
| mntmn | h! | 21:33 |
| mntmn | ha!, i mean | 21:33 |
| mtm | no good error correction either, faulty memories become truth: I've had that experience a few times where I was certain in my memory but something proved me wrong. The mind made it real | 21:35 |
| mtm | anyway, back to coding... :-) | 21:36 |
| mntmn | ^^ i wrote the crowd supply may shipping update in the meantime, but i don't think it will go online before tomorrow. | 21:39 |
| mntmn | it basically says that we will directly ship non-EU backer laptops ourselves. this means you will get the devices faster, but the downside for US backers is they might have to pay import VAT | 21:39 |
| mntmn | i don't know how it would have been otherwise though... would CS just swallow the VAT, not sure | 21:40 |
| mtm | oh, not from Crowd Supply? | 21:40 |
| mntmn | ah i guess they would get them back as a company | 21:40 |
| mntmn | but then, there would be sales tax or something | 21:40 |
| mntmn | so i'm not sure how it works | 21:40 |
| mntmn | mtm: yes, we will ship all orders that were made before june 18th | 21:41 |
| mntmn | but the regular crowd supply sales from after the original campaign will still be fulfilled through crowd supply. | 21:41 |
| mtm | for the USA normally there is no state sales tax unless you have a physical presense in the state, so you should be good | 21:42 |
| mntmn | ah i see... but you still have VAT, no? | 21:42 |
| mtm | nope | 21:42 |
| mntmn | like, if you buy something from another US state, is there no VAT? | 21:42 |
| mtm | correct | 21:42 |
| mntmn | crazy | 21:42 |
| mntmn | in the EU, this is very different then | 21:42 |
| mtm | indeed | 21:42 |
| mntmn | that's kind of mind-blowing | 21:43 |
| mtm | used to live near Zurich, pretty familiar with VAT | 21:43 |
| mntmn | if i sell something here i have to include 19% vat in the price | 21:43 |
| mntmn | even if online | 21:43 |
| mtm | folks from Germany would cross the border for cheap gas and the Swiss would do the opposite for cheap groceries | 21:44 |
| mntmn | huh. | 21:44 |
| mtm | this was in 2000 though no idea what its like now | 21:45 |
| mtm | but, yeah, no VAT in the states, just individual state sales taxes (and sometimes even more local sales taxes) | 21:46 |
| mtm | my order was in March this year so I'll be in the CS group | 21:48 |
| mntmn | ok, i see! | 21:48 |
| jackhill | I just checked my Crowd Supply order, and I didn't pay any tax. Crowd Supply did collect tax on my Ten64 order. | 21:55 |
| jackhill | I was under (the perhaps mistaken assumption) that there wasn't any VAT on goods exported from the EU (presumably to encurage an influx of foreign currency or something). | 21:56 |
| mtm | my guess is that Oregon residents will have to pay sales tax | 21:56 |
| jackhill | no dubt the USA tax system (like most things here) is pretty messed up. | 21:56 |
| mtm | CS is based there | 21:57 |
| jackhill | I find it odd that my two orders with the same shipping address have different taxes applied. | 21:57 |
| jackhill | I think some states may even try to charge for out of state purchases by in-state residents. The Byzantine tax structure is one of the things that makes running independent eshops difficult and cements the power of the large players (because they have teams people to follow tax law in each jurisdiction) | 21:59 |
| jackhill | As an extra twist, on my North Carolina income tax, I can claim as a deduction sales tax I paid to other states. I beleive there is a standard deduction if I don't have records. | 22:00 |
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| mntmn | amazing tax zoo | 22:10 |
| mtm | and the zookeepers like it that way | 22:16 |
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| ex-parrot | mntmn: collapse of mietendeckel sounds extremely dumb :/ ty for the update | 22:36 |
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