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| XgF | ehmry: I see you did a bunch of NixOS-on-Reform work, did you have issues getting any display managers running? Sway for me just gives graphical corruption :/ | 18:29 |
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| mntmn | XgF: hmm, old or unpatched mesa version? | 18:36 |
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| ehmry | XgF: no, are you using nixos-unstable? | 18:38 |
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| XgF | ehmry: yes | 18:41 |
| XgF | mntmn: hmm, i thought the patches were just/mostly about xwayland? | 18:42 |
| ehmry | XgF: FWIW my current version is 21.05.20210405.3d1a771 | 18:43 |
| ehmry | and I don't think I'm patching anything | 18:45 |
| XgF | ehmry: hmm i wonder if something has broken since then or anything else. no special flags in the system config? | 18:45 |
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| mntmn | XgF: correct, wayland should be ok | 18:48 |
| mntmn | XgF: what kind of graphics corruption do you see? | 18:48 |
| XgF | mntmn: screen mostly black, some green dots where i'd expect the menu to be, and a trail of damage follows the mouse cursor | 18:50 |
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| mntmn | XgF: strange. sounds like unlucky mesa version or wlroots version. can you try running kmscube on the linux console? | 18:52 |
| mntmn | XgF: probably kmscube -D /dev/dri/card1 | 18:52 |
| mntmn | XgF: you could also try running weston. if it is corrupted as well, then it's a mesa problem. if it works, it's a wlroots problem. | 18:53 |
| XgF | kmscube is fine! | 18:54 |
| mntmn | that's good | 18:54 |
| mntmn | and weston? | 18:54 |
| mntmn | XgF: also, are you using single display or dual (with hdmi)? | 18:54 |
| XgF | imx8mq-mnt-reform2.dtb, so I think single? no external display connected | 18:55 |
| XgF | And Weston works, so it would appear to be a Sway/wlroots specific issue | 18:55 |
| mntmn | XgF: yes, ok. there are some glitches with dual and sway when the display is initially connected, that's why i asked. but that's not the issue for you. | 18:57 |
| mntmn | XgF: i would try to either go a few months back @ wlroots version (something stable) or maybe the latest master | 18:58 |
| mntmn | or use the version that we ship | 18:58 |
| mntmn | cd wlroots | 18:58 |
| mntmn | git checkout 0.12.0 | 18:58 |
| mntmn | cd sway | 18:59 |
| mntmn | git checkout 1.5.1 | 18:59 |
| mntmn | that's the versions that i currently ship | 18:59 |
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| XgF | Both sway and wlroots are newer versions, so I'm gonna try downgrading them :-) | 19:04 |
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| XgF | Sway 1.6 was added after ehmry's version, so I suspect that's the cause | 19:07 |
| + reform12014 (~pitz@tmo-085-248.customers.d1-online.com) | 19:08 | |
| mntmn | XgF: very possible. if it's buggy we should report this to the wlroots/sway devs later | 19:12 |
| mntmn | maybe they use glCopyBuffer which was only recently fixed in etnaviv | 19:12 |
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| reform12014 | hi, today i got my diy reform 8-). After an hour it was ready and now i am the first time in the chat (it is over 20 years ago that i used irc the last time). | 19:17 |
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| XgF | Rebuilding Sway 1.5.1 w/ wlroots 0.12.0 :-) | 19:20 |
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| mntmn | reform10842: cool! | 19:22 |
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| XgF | mntmn: It works :-) | 19:25 |
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| mntmn | XgF: awesome! | 19:34 |
| mntmn | XgF: ehmry: can the nixos repo be version pinned to those working sway/wlroots versions? (sorry i'm not a nixos expert... yet) | 19:35 |
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| XgF | wlroots_0_12 is still in nixpkgs because other wms depend upon it, it just needs the core sway package backporting & updating to use the old version | 19:39 |
| ehmry | XgF: I can confirm that, I also get corruption from sway on current unstable | 19:40 |
| mntmn | first keycaps sets now in store https://shop.mntmn.com/products/mnt-reform-keycap-set-international?taxon_id=13 | 19:42 |
| ehmry | mntmn: jein, its possible but should be done in a way that doesn't hold other packages back. at the least nixos-20.09 still works | 19:42 |
| ehmry | cool, I can upgrade my caps | 19:43 |
| mntmn | (more variants and photos to follow next week) | 19:43 |
| mntmn | ehmry: yes! these are a real improvement! | 19:43 |
| mntmn | i'll also offer trackball buttons soon | 19:44 |
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| mntmn | cheat code: echo "xLEDS11111" | sudo tee /dev/hidraw1 | 19:56 |
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| XgF | It feels unreasonable that the second nicest keyboard in this house of many keyboards is on a laptop >_> | 19:58 |
| mntmn | XgF: haha you can also get it standalone now ;) | 19:59 |
| mntmn | another cheat code: echo "xOLEDhello world!" | sudo tee /dev/hidraw0 | 19:59 |
| mntmn | XgF: just for completeness: https://shop.mntmn.com/products/mnt-reform-usb-keyboard-standalone | 20:00 |
| XgF | mntmn: I know :-) But its hard to knock the Ergodox off of the perch :-) | 20:01 |
| helby | I would probably hitting 'DEL' instead of Shift | 20:01 |
| mntmn | helby: most people are surprised that the layout works for them! | 20:02 |
| mntmn | but yeah YMMV | 20:02 |
| mntmn | XgF: ha, ok, that's a high bar! | 20:02 |
| swivel | needs trackpoint ;) | 20:03 |
| mntmn | he he | 20:06 |
| mntmn | i can't find that on mouser ;) | 20:07 |
| swivel | i wonder where they sourced one for the endurapro https://www.pckeyboard.com/page/FeaturedProducts/UB40PGA | 20:09 |
| swivel | "The pointing stick is an idea perfected by IBM and Lexmark; and owned by Unicomp since it was patented in 1996" maybe it's just in-house developed | 20:10 |
| swivel | uhk have a trackpoint module too https://ultimatehackingkeyboard.com/product/trackpoint | 20:15 |
| swivel | clearly they're available somewhere | 20:16 |
| alex4nde1 | swivel: I have a tex yoda with one.. they definitely had to jump through hoops to provide the "trackpoint" module | 20:20 |
| * alex4nde1 -> alex4nder | 20:20 | |
| swivel | alex4nde1: like licensing hoops? | 20:21 |
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| alex4nder | they bought from some third party, and then I think they had to lathe up a stem, and epoxy it to the module | 20:21 |
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| swivel | oh, so just work style hoops | 20:22 |
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| swivel | the last time i ordered x220 keyboards off ebay they sent me chinese knockoffs which I sent back, but they did have functioning trackpoints | 20:23 |
| doppler | sourcing hoops, yeah | 20:24 |
| alex4nder | https://www.sprintek.com/en/products/PointingStick.aspx .. I think this is who they ended up using | 20:24 |
| alex4nder | huh, those guys are actually in simi valley | 20:28 |
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| alex4nder | swivel: I just called sprinttek .. they'll sell modules in single quantities .. so that's a pretty good option | 20:40 |
| alex4nder | I haven't gotten my mnt reform yet, but it might be a cool addition | 20:40 |
| alex4nder | *sprintek | 20:41 |
| alex4nder | getting the height adjustment over the key caps just seems like the only custom bit that might need to be machined | 20:41 |
| alex4nder | (or printed) | 20:41 |
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| swivel | that'd be really neat, a reform w/trackpoint would probably make me retire my thinkpads | 20:47 |
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| alex4nder | yah, I've got similar thinking | 20:47 |
| doppler | I'd be into that | 20:48 |
| alex4nder | I don't mind working on that, since sprintek is relatively local to me | 20:48 |
| doppler | (I'm still excited to try the trackball, though!) | 20:48 |
| doppler | neat | 20:49 |
| mntmn | alex4nder: interesting | 20:59 |
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| alex4nder | the one in my yoda feels identical to my thinkpad | 21:03 |
| alex4nder | +/- | 21:03 |
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| reform29321 | yay I got everything assembled | 22:06 |
| alex4nder | sweet | 22:06 |
| reform29321 | The guide is pretty good | 22:06 |
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| flowy | trackpoint always give me RSI real quick | 22:50 |
| flowy | even after increasing sens. | 22:50 |
| flowy | but it's cute | 22:51 |
| alex4nder | where you get injury? I've found it's better than touchpads for me | 22:51 |
| flowy | i guess everyone's different. but yeah, touchpad is fine for me. i'm curious to give the trackball a go with the reform | 22:52 |
| flowy | i can't remember where, i think it was wrist | 22:52 |
| flowy | but it could have been knuckles | 22:52 |
| alex4nder | ah yah | 22:53 |
| mntmn | i'm obviously biased but i started with trackball things when i got something like RSI from mouse + bad keyboard | 22:53 |
| flowy | yeah now i remember, it was actually in my fingers | 22:53 |
| mntmn | i tend to use the trackball in reform alternating with different fingers + hands | 22:53 |
| flowy | yeah i get RSI in the wrist from mouse pretty easily | 22:54 |
| flowy | and maybe also in the fingers | 22:54 |
| alex4nder | mntmn: yah, I lost the use of both arms from poor keyboard usage.. switched to dvorak on a kinesis classic, and then healed up | 22:55 |
| alex4nder | I think the big changeup for me going mechanical.. I haven't had much of an issue since | 22:56 |
| Kooda | Same here, switching to dvorak-like for french and orthogonal keyboard. | 22:58 |
| Kooda | I still have occasional pain if I go back to a regular keyboard for a few hours, especially if it’s tilted. | 22:59 |
| mntmn | yeah, so these are the main reasons why i did these kind of "odd" choices of putting mech. keys and trackball in reform | 23:00 |
| alex4nder | yah, it was a big selling point for me | 23:00 |
| Kooda | Yep, that’s great. It’ll be exactly like my desktop setup, but on the go :D | 23:00 |
| Kooda | My own keyboard also uses the Kailh choc switches ^^ | 23:01 |
| flowy | i spent a while crawling the web for any information on an odd little external trackball pointer i used as a kid. the enclosure was like 3x3cm, and the trackball itself was just the sise of a peppercorn. you'd hold the whole thing with just two or three fingers and use your thumb to roll around | 23:02 |
| flowy | *size | 23:02 |
| flowy | was a nice portable thing to use with a laptop | 23:03 |
| Kooda | Oh, interesting. I’ve never seen that. | 23:03 |
| flowy | but obviously you couldn't really switch back and forth so easily between typing and pointing | 23:03 |
| flowy | so best for games and surfing | 23:03 |
| alex4nder | flowy: https://www.oldmouse.com/blog/img/thumbelina27661.jpg <- like that one? | 23:13 |
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| flowy | hah! yes. nicely done, i couldn't find that. | 23:15 |
| alex4nder | I remember those as well | 23:15 |
| - artfwo (QUIT: Ping timeout: 246 seconds) (~artfwo@ubuntu/member/artfwo) | 23:15 | |
| flowy | could be cool to have something like that but wireless and a little less cheap. eventually their accuracy was garbage | 23:16 |
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| flowy | used it with a Texas Instruments TravelMate TI 486SLC/25 | 23:25 |
| flowy | that laptop was cool | 23:25 |
| + artfwo (~artfwo@ubuntu/member/artfwo) | 23:27 | |
| mntmn | flowy: ha, it looks a bit like the blackberry trackballs? | 23:42 |
| mntmn | i have one of those as a module in the lab | 23:42 |
| Kooda | flowy: very cute laptop :) | 23:49 |
| Kooda | mntmn: design idea for a Reform desktop-like enclosure : Sharp X68000 :D | 23:50 |
| Kooda | It looks so sleek imho | 23:51 |
| mntmn | hehe | 23:52 |
| Kooda | It’s probably not that practical though | 23:53 |
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