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| reverbdog | mjw: huh, so you accidentally shorted the traces on the board? just wondering so i avoid doing something similar... :p sorry | 00:47 |
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| reverbdog | i'm confused what you touched with the screwdriver. not an actual cell but somewhere on the board? | 00:49 |
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| mjw | reverbdog, yeah, don't touch the metal casing of the battery if the battery is in it... sigh. | 02:21 |
| mjw | really, just don't touch anything with a screwdriver when the batteries are in. I had them disconnected from the motherboard, so assumed they couldn't harm things. But wasn't paying attention and touching the batteries themselves obviously is bad. | 02:32 |
| ex-parrot | :( | 02:33 |
| mjw | ACTION feels silly and stupid. But it doesn't seem to have done real damage, everything (except one battery) does work fine. | 02:33 |
| ex-parrot | not sure who else in here is in NZ / Aotearoa | 02:34 |
| ex-parrot | but I'm happy to do repairs of that kind ^ for anyone else who's local | 02:34 |
| ex-parrot | should the need arise | 02:34 |
| mjw | A bit far from NL / Deventer but thanks, next time I am on the other side of the planet I'll take you up on that :) | 02:35 |
| ex-parrot | :) | 02:36 |
| mjw | Actually I have never been to New Zealand. It would certainly be fun to go one day. | 02:36 |
| ex-parrot | I can only recommend it | 02:36 |
| ex-parrot | my partner is dutch so I get plenty of exposure to NL culture also :) | 02:36 |
| zakx | you still have covid in NZ? | 03:20 |
| ex-parrot | uhh I think one person | 03:22 |
| ex-parrot | as of today | 03:22 |
| ex-parrot | we're on top of it so far tho... | 03:22 |
| zakx | amazing | 03:24 |
| ex-parrot | I know, I feel lucky every day :| | 03:25 |
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| mntmn | mjw: thanks for the feedback, i appreciate it! do you have a multimeter? then we can check if only the battery is discharged or a trace needs fixing | 11:30 |
| mntmn | mjw: if it's just the battery you can easily get a replacement, that's why i'm asking. | 11:33 |
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| mjw | mntmn, I am afraid my hacker credentials will be revoked, but no, I don't even own a multimeter | 12:15 |
| mjw | I did get it all apart and looked at the battery holder board front and back, but couldn't immediately see anything wrong. | 12:17 |
| mjw | It is all very easily to pick apart and put back together again (just make sure your cat isn't around to play with the screws...) | 12:18 |
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| mjw | On the software side things seem to work fine. Got some of my projects building. It will be a fun arm hacking machine. | 12:21 |
| mjw | And the battaries come out and pop back in very easily, I should have immediately pulled them out after first opening up the back (which is also beautiful, the kids were impressed :) | 12:22 |
| Kooda | mjw: you can check if the traces are fine if you have an LED, an AA battery and some wires. :3 | 12:24 |
| mntmn | mjw: you could also swap a "healthy" battery into the slot of the bad one and check if the status display shows something different ^^ | 12:30 |
| mntmn | mjw: but yeah. the 1800mAh are out of stock but you can try a 1600mAh from here https://eu.nkon.nl/jgne-18650-1600mah-4-8a-lifepo4.html | 12:31 |
| mjw | mntmn, yes, I actually did. The 'b' status then shows the same ??? for the upper right battery (the one that was replaced). So I actually assume it is the board/trace/connector not the battery. | 12:32 |
| mntmn | mjw: ok. i need to check if we have any spares for the battery board that we can put in the shop. | 12:33 |
| mjw | The little lcd thingy is also such a nice touch! I really should hack it to show the time instead of a sad blinky battery indicator :) | 12:34 |
| mjw | mntmn, If you have, that would be great. I know now how to replace it :) | 12:34 |
| mjw | mntmn, that was my other question last night, how is your inventory? The crowd supply website says "Orders placed now ship May 18, 2021". Is that still realistic? (Not for me, but for a friend that is jealous of mine :) | 12:36 |
| mntmn | mjw: i can't really tell atm, because i don't know how our speed will develop during april | 12:44 |
| mjw | mntmn, I'll take that as a glass half full then :) mntmn says maybe yes! | 12:50 |
| mntmn | yeah! | 12:51 |
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| mntmn | mjw: https://shop.mntmn.com/products/mnt-reform-battery-board?taxon_id=13 | 17:23 |
| mjw | mntmn, thanks, it feels very specific to one stupid customer :) | 17:28 |
| mjw | ACTION ordered without admitting to any stupidity on his side. Maybe I just like to have an extra spare for no reason :) | 17:29 |
| mntmn | mjw: don't worry, i am certain you won't be the only one | 17:37 |
| mntmn | we will put extra warning stickers on the packs at some point (when i order the yellow sticker roll for my brother label printer) | 17:37 |
| mjw | mntmn, now that I pulled out the batteries it is also very clear this is super easy and should simply always be done right after opening the bottom. | 17:40 |
| mjw | being new too it and having the battery connector not actually connected I though "O, lets not pull on the batteries as first step" silly in hindsight now that I know how easy they come out/pop back in. | 17:41 |
| mntmn | i see! yeah it's maybe not intuitive | 17:41 |
| mjw | mntmn, another probably silly question. the crowdsupply site gives you the option of getting both a trackball and a trackpad. But how would that work? Is that just for you to replace one for the other? | 17:46 |
| mntmn | mjw: yep, you get the other one as a module and you would have to swap it in | 17:49 |
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| + rasmus-mk (~rasmus@c83-253-223-217.bredband.comhem.se) | 21:16 | |
| mntmn | massive spoiler, but here's the first MNT Reform Max unboxing video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMsm4doRk4E&feature=youtu.be | 21:35 |
| alex4nder | ACTION clicks | 21:35 |
| alex4nder | hah 'dup swap 2drop' | 21:36 |
| doppler | very nice | 21:40 |
| alex4nder | yah, looks great | 21:42 |
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| ex-parrot | ooooooo | 22:01 |
| ex-parrot | the MNT tape is 👌 | 22:02 |
| doppler | yes! | 22:03 |
| mntmn | haha | 22:10 |
| ex-parrot | thinking about getting https://www.trademe.co.nz/computers/vintage/listing-3024759977.htm while I wait | 22:12 |
| ex-parrot | B[]: hello fellow kiwi | 22:13 |
| B[] | Eh? | 22:14 |
| ex-parrot | you're connecting from a .nz IP? | 22:14 |
| B[] | Hello | 22:14 |
| B[] | It's too earyl :) | 22:14 |
| B[] | *early | 22:14 |
| ex-parrot | :) | 22:14 |
| B[] | Nice machine btw | 22:15 |
| mntmn | oh sweet small laptop | 22:15 |
| B[] | And good price if you can get it for 50 | 22:16 |
| mntmn | we're also working on a smol device | 22:16 |
| ex-parrot | exciting | 22:16 |
| mntmn | but the formfactor is still undecided | 22:16 |
| mntmn | like, the size i mean | 22:16 |
| mntmn | it is a matter of ongoing user research | 22:16 |
| B[] | For reform? | 22:16 |
| mntmn | no, a different device | 22:16 |
| B[] | Ah | 22:16 |
| mntmn | in a same/similar spirit though | 22:16 |
| B[] | I am still waiting to see what comes from the PineCom project | 22:16 |
| B[] | It should in theory be a smaller non-cellular PinePhone with an A64 | 22:17 |
| B[] | Which could be pretty cool | 22:17 |
| B[] | ex-parrot: Just looking at the images, that's in very good condition | 22:18 |
| ex-parrot | it's kind of grubby but looks alright eh | 22:18 |
| B[] | I'm looking at the motherboard | 22:18 |
| ex-parrot | I have a spare pinephone motherboard which I wondered about using as a tiny SBC | 22:18 |
| ex-parrot | but I don't really have any need for it at the moment | 22:18 |
| B[] | One of the old re-work ones? | 22:18 |
| ex-parrot | I ordered the 1st gen pinephone then swapped out the motherboard for a 1.2 revision with more RAM etc | 22:18 |
| B[] | Ah yeah | 22:19 |
| B[] | You'll need to do some soldering to get all the hardware working on that first gen one | 22:19 |
| mntmn | how do you like the pinephone? can you use a maps application on it? that would be my #1 application i think | 22:19 |
| mntmn | plus terminal stuff | 22:19 |
| ex-parrot | yeah, I'm not averse to doing the soldering but more RAM was a bonus too | 22:19 |
| mntmn | but i don't know if touchscreen-typing in a terminal can work out | 22:19 |
| ex-parrot | mntmn: I am pretty underwhelmed by the various "phone distros" I've looked at so far | 22:19 |
| mntmn | hmm but there have been a bunch, no? | 22:19 |
| mntmn | even ubuntu something something? | 22:20 |
| ex-parrot | yeah there are 2-3 separate projects at the moment | 22:20 |
| B[] | They are still early days in all fairness | 22:20 |
| mntmn | what's the main issue? | 22:20 |
| ex-parrot | UBports (the continuation of Ubuntu Touch after Canonical ended the project), Plasma Mobile, PostMarketOS, the Librem thing | 22:20 |
| B[] | Imagine Android in the early days sort of thing | 22:20 |
| mntmn | mhm yeah | 22:20 |
| ex-parrot | yeah for sure, I should clarify this isn't a complaint | 22:20 |
| ex-parrot | just that I wouldn't want to try and "use it as a phone" yet for myself anyway | 22:20 |
| mntmn | i wonder if something like sway could work on mobile | 22:20 |
| B[] | Honestly it's amazing you can use it at all | 22:21 |
| ex-parrot | I got it more because I am interested in doing an intentionally crappy phone w/ Debian and X11 and i3 to run a browser and a terminal | 22:21 |
| ex-parrot | yeah it is :P | 22:21 |
| mntmn | add a jog dial for rolling through workspaces... ;) | 22:21 |
| ex-parrot | probably I should be aiming a bit higher for wayland and sway but I don't yet know anyting about wayland | 22:21 |
| ex-parrot | I will never get over my old HTC phone with a trackball | 22:21 |
| mntmn | how is the touchscreen keyboard typing on it? | 22:21 |
| B[] | I might be the only person in NZ with a PineTab :P | 22:21 |
| ex-parrot | B[]: I've got a pinetab also, sorry :P | 22:22 |
| mntmn | yeah i had a blackberry with a tiny trackball | 22:22 |
| B[] | Oooof | 22:22 |
| B[] | :D | 22:22 |
| ex-parrot | mntmn: I've been spoiled by years of iOS's ridiculousy good touchscreen typing | 22:22 |
| mntmn | i liked the combination of trackball + TUI-like UI of old blackberries | 22:22 |
| ex-parrot | that said, in ubports the touchscreen typing did seem pretty adequate | 22:22 |
| mntmn | ex-parrot: ah. i'm an iphone user currently. | 22:22 |
| B[] | ex-parrot: I use my PineTab as a daily machine :) | 22:22 |
| mntmn | i wasn't aware that it was particularly good | 22:22 |
| ex-parrot | mainly everything is just still really slow and crashy | 22:22 |
| mntmn | so maybe that's one of the things you notice only when trying other stuff | 22:23 |
| mntmn | ok. i wonder why crashy though | 22:23 |
| ex-parrot | mntmn: I had a friend who used to work for Google in the "taking apart iPhones to work out how they made the onsreen typing so good" dept | 22:23 |
| mntmn | stuff on my linux laptop (ahem) rarely crashes | 22:23 |
| ex-parrot | certainly back in the day if you compared e.g. an Android 1.5 phone to a 1st gen iPod Touch the typing differences were very clear | 22:23 |
| mntmn | ex-parrot: oh ok | 22:23 |
| mntmn | interesting | 22:24 |
| ex-parrot | Apple seemed to do some very vigorous oversampling etc which it took a long time for Google to catch up on, I assume they're mostly comparable now | 22:24 |
| ex-parrot | but I feel like it's going to take the FOSS phone people a while yet :( | 22:24 |
| ex-parrot | yeah I don't know why it's crashy either. I haven't really run a "full fat" Linux desktop in more than a decade so I'm not sure what the state of the art beyond X11 + i3 is | 22:24 |
| B[] | ex-parrot: I was just checking what that Zenith could run, looks like you're stuck with DOS | 22:24 |
| B[] | I was wondering if it might run Kolibri, but not a hope in hell | 22:25 |
| ex-parrot | naw | 22:25 |
| ex-parrot | real mode 16 bit x86 only I think :) | 22:25 |
| B[] | Bill Gates said we didn't need any more than that! | 22:25 |
| ex-parrot | quite | 22:25 |
| ex-parrot | and sometimes, I have to believe it | 22:25 |
| mntmn | hm i would be really curious to poke around in something like the pinephone to see what the technical limits are etc | 22:26 |
| ex-parrot | that is my interest in the pinephone too ^ I want to know if the slowness is due to the complexity of running a whole Gnome etc | 22:26 |
| ex-parrot | I feel like if I could just use sdl to the framebuffer or maybe just X I could make it really fast | 22:26 |
| ex-parrot | if perhaps not as pretty looking | 22:26 |
| B[] | 100% that is where the slowness comes from | 22:26 |
| B[] | Gnome UI is JS | 22:26 |
| ex-parrot | imagine a netsurf phone running linux straight to the framebuffer :^) | 22:27 |
| reverbdog | mntmn: moving from iphone to an open phone for maps is a difficult downgrade, i think, due to the fact that apple and google rely on their private wifi telemetry for speeding up location services. GPS is slooow and generally crap otherwise | 22:27 |
| B[] | I think you do get quite some speed up from going through the GPU driver | 22:27 |
| mntmn | you should use sway | 22:27 |
| B[] | For H264 decoding for example | 22:27 |
| mntmn | :D | 22:28 |
| ex-parrot | yeah I should | 22:28 |
| mntmn | not X and stuff | 22:28 |
| ex-parrot | as usual I am desperately behind the times | 22:28 |
| ex-parrot | do you know if wayland is viable on Debian Buster? | 22:28 |
| mntmn | and then use some wayland native applications for terminal etc etc | 22:28 |
| mntmn | yes of course it is | 22:28 |
| ex-parrot | cool | 22:28 |
| B[] | Wayland can now be run as a daily driver | 22:28 |
| mntmn | sway will just run your X applications through xwayland | 22:28 |
| ex-parrot | ah, my e-mail client :P | 22:29 |
| B[] | But still gotta have love for X | 22:29 |
| mntmn | sure X is still in there, just on top of wayland | 22:29 |
| ex-parrot | I wouldn't go so far as to say I "love" X, it's more of a mutual understanding developed over the decades :P | 22:29 |
| mntmn | you can also run a full X session on a workspace | 22:29 |
| mntmn | Xwayland -retro :1 | 22:29 |
| mntmn | for example | 22:29 |
| B[] | I have come to like X | 22:29 |
| ex-parrot | ok that in itself is very useful, thanks | 22:29 |
| B[] | Once you understand how it works and why, you can build anything | 22:30 |
| mntmn | then you can do export DISPLAY=:1 and just push stuff there | 22:30 |
| ex-parrot | B[]: what are you running on your PineTab out of interest? I keep meaning to try and get arm debian running on it | 22:30 |
| B[] | Running Arch Linux kernel from Danct | 22:30 |
| ex-parrot | cool, with just an alarm rootfs? | 22:30 |
| B[] | Yeah | 22:30 |
| ex-parrot | it's cool that that is usable | 22:30 |
| B[] | And a custom X UI on top | 22:30 |
| B[] | Yeah | 22:30 |
| B[] | I can run firefox with multiple tabs, youtube, compiling programs, etc | 22:31 |
| ex-parrot | neat | 22:31 |
| ex-parrot | I got as far as running "bb" and then I put it away for another day | 22:31 |
| B[] | I have even been running some 3D games in it | 22:31 |
| B[] | heh | 22:31 |
| B[] | I still need to release the source for my window manager | 22:32 |
| B[] | It should just run on the PinePhone too | 22:32 |
| B[] | Light as hell | 22:32 |
| ex-parrot | I started writing a window manager a long time ago, about the same time I found i3 :P | 22:32 |
| B[] | Fits in about 1MB of RAM | 22:32 |
| ex-parrot | what's it written in? | 22:32 |
| B[] | C++ | 22:32 |
| ex-parrot | cool | 22:32 |
| B[] | And the only library is X | 22:33 |
| ex-parrot | hey I see Bullseye is entering its hard freeze soon / now | 22:33 |
| B[] | Sounds about right | 22:35 |
| ex-parrot | ACTION kicks off an upgrade | 22:36 |
| ex-parrot | this will make it easier to install sway, for sure | 22:36 |
| ex-parrot | I'd like to take this opportunity to show off my 1080p modded X230 :) | 22:40 |
| ex-parrot | https://paste.hotplate.co.nz/dvN6vRxJtW#ECjl28A3/wVj97GPL/r13A | 22:40 |
| ex-parrot | (there's no camera inside the bezel, I just liked the aesthetic) | 22:40 |
| B[] | Very nice | 22:40 |
| mntmn | ex-parrot: possibly the same or compatible display used in reform? | 22:42 |
| ex-parrot | hmm, I hope so, it's a really nice panel :P | 22:42 |
| ex-parrot | I got it from AliExpress | 22:42 |
| mntmn | do you know the model number? | 22:42 |
| ex-parrot | just trying to find it | 22:42 |
| ex-parrot | it's an LG LP125WF2-SPB4 I think | 22:44 |
| ex-parrot | or SPB3, not sure which one I actually got in the end | 22:45 |
| ex-parrot | was $75 USD in 2019 | 22:45 |
| mntmn | interesting, it looks compatible | 22:56 |
| mntmn | but i think i didn't have it in my list yet | 22:56 |
| ex-parrot | oh yeah. I have no complaints about it. I had to cut some mounting bits out of the X230 lid to make it fit, it's not quite a drop in size replacement for the crappy 768 panel | 22:56 |
| ex-parrot | and obv it requires a nitrocaster board in the X230 to drive it | 22:57 |
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| B[] | ^ I need to look into this kind of stuffs some more | 22:58 |
| B[] | As some point I will look to build a bulky laptop | 22:58 |
| B[] | *At | 22:59 |
| B[] | Driving the display is the only part I really need to make sure I get right | 22:59 |
| B[] | The rest I'm happy with | 22:59 |
| ex-parrot | these days it's a lot easier thanks to generic LCD driver boards from aliexpress etc | 22:59 |
| ex-parrot | ok time to reboot in to Bullseye, if I'm not back in a few minutes you can assume it went wrong :P | 22:59 |
| B[] | I think I saw those, I just wanted to make sure it doesn't get too bulky with SBC sized driver boards | 23:00 |
| B[] | Good luck! | 23:00 |
| ex-parrot | yeah... you definitely don't get automatic svelte sizing if you use those :P | 23:00 |
| B[] | Well there are some panels you can now buy with HDMI connectors | 23:01 |
| B[] | But not sure a HDMI lead will like being on some hinge so much | 23:01 |
| ex-parrot | well this is very weird | 23:03 |
| ex-parrot | everything just worked... | 23:03 |
| ex-parrot | hello from slightly newer debian :) | 23:03 |
| B[] | Yeah we can really tell how new it is | 23:04 |
| ex-parrot | only regression is that my trackpoint acceleration got slower | 23:04 |
| B[] | It's got that new car smell | 23:04 |
| ex-parrot | well this is annoying :P | 23:04 |
| B[] | I think acceleration is just a setting | 23:05 |
| ex-parrot | yeah I have a script to fix it on another thinkpad I'll have to steal | 23:05 |
| B[] | Btw somewhere there is supposed to be some awesome patch to make Linux trackpads feel more like Macs | 23:05 |
| ex-parrot | I just use the trackpoint, I'm not generally a fan of trackpads | 23:06 |
| ex-parrot | obv trackball is where it's at tho | 23:06 |
| B[] | Honestly I want to experiment with using a touch screen as a track pad | 23:07 |
| B[] | I think it could be quite cool | 23:07 |
| ex-parrot | that is a cool idea imo | 23:07 |
| B[] | Imagine all the RGB colours you could have | 23:07 |
| B[] | All of them! | 23:07 |
| B[] | Connect via an arduino nano as a HID and you're set | 23:07 |
| B[] | Would allow you to play with different shortcuts/gestures too | 23:08 |
| B[] | I thought that the Macbook's idea of the touchbar was just the wrong place | 23:09 |
| B[] | Also after typing on a mechanical keyboard for so long, my next laptop needs one built in | 23:10 |
| ex-parrot | yeah I guess we'll never see a laptop with a mechanical keyboard :P | 23:11 |
| B[] | I've see micro-mech switches | 23:11 |
| ex-parrot | (the reform uses low-profile cherry-like switches...) | 23:11 |
| B[] | yeah | 23:11 |
| B[] | But I guess they still take some getting use to? | 23:12 |
| B[] | They'll have less travel? | 23:12 |
| ex-parrot | I've got some similar switches in sample packs, they seem pretty good to me | 23:12 |
| ex-parrot | I don't actually like Cherry MX style keyswitches much, I prefer something a bit shallower | 23:13 |
| ex-parrot | I built an Iris with the clicky version of the Reform keyswitches and it's pretty satisfying to type on, somewhere in between a Thinkpad and a Cherry MX board | 23:13 |
| B[] | I use blues | 23:13 |
| ex-parrot | I have enjoyed linear switches in that style but my fingers get too tired on MX Blue style switches really | 23:13 |
| B[] | I've always been a heavy typer | 23:14 |
| ex-parrot | I'm very dainty :D | 23:14 |
| B[] | But it also just means that I occasionally walk away from my computer | 23:14 |
| B[] | Which is a good thing :D | 23:14 |
| B[] | But anyway, my biggest point about building a custom laptop is that my computing needs are always increasing | 23:15 |
| B[] | So I want to be able to swap out the computing board | 23:16 |
| ex-parrot | it is a cool idea | 23:16 |
| B[] | I hope so :) | 23:16 |
| B[] | Also, I have fallen in love with the idea of a wooden laptop | 23:16 |
| B[] | But I am not entirely sure about it yet | 23:17 |
| B[] | Might be waaaaay to heavy to lug around | 23:17 |
| ex-parrot | I was very tempted by the wood Novena | 23:17 |
| ex-parrot | when I got my Novena | 23:17 |
| ex-parrot | but I'm kind of glad I didn't, because it didn't turn out to be a very practical machine | 23:17 |
| B[] | Yeah | 23:17 |
| B[] | The other thing I could do is machine a block of aluminium | 23:18 |
| B[] | I have a precision CNC available to me | 23:18 |
| ex-parrot | argh, upgrading to bullseye made the scrolling in Chromium switch back to "smooth" | 23:18 |
| ex-parrot | ok /that/ is a regression | 23:18 |
| B[] | Keeping settings over upgrades is a really tough problem | 23:19 |
| ex-parrot | yeah the world no longer believes in non-smooth scrolling, is part of the problem | 23:19 |
| B[] | My friend has one of those Ryzen processors with Vega 10 integrated GPU | 23:20 |
| B[] | Running Windows | 23:20 |
| B[] | Smooth scrolling in Chrome crashes his machine | 23:20 |
| ex-parrot | :/ | 23:20 |
| B[] | I suspect it's a driver issue | 23:21 |
| B[] | But who knows | 23:21 |
| ex-parrot | hmm what is the wayland/sway equivalent of "startx" | 23:21 |
| B[] | "pls_start" | 23:21 |
| ex-parrot | lol | 23:21 |
| mntmn | ex-parrot: what do you mean | 23:22 |
| mntmn | ex-parrot: just "sway" | 23:22 |
| ex-parrot | at the moment I log in to my machine on a text VTY then "exec startx" | 23:22 |
| mntmn | yeah just type sway | 23:22 |
| ex-parrot | aight, let's see what happens | 23:22 |
| ex-parrot | brb :) | 23:22 |
| ex-parrot | hello from sway, that was painless | 23:23 |
| B[] | *and we never heard from ex-parrot again* | 23:23 |
| ex-parrot | I guess I need to find a wayland-compatible terminal to use | 23:23 |
| mntmn | ex-parrot: try "foot" | 23:24 |
| ex-parrot | so I can have my extremely important partially transparent terminal background | 23:24 |
| mntmn | ex-parrot: i think it is in debian now as well | 23:24 |
| ex-parrot | sway seems not to like my "set_from_resource" i3 config but I don't need that for testing | 23:24 |
| mntmn | i personally use xfce4-terminal which is wayland native as all gtk3 applications magically are | 23:24 |
| ex-parrot | huh, it UYEAH U | 23:24 |
| ex-parrot | woah | 23:24 |
| mntmn | but it's not the fastest one | 23:24 |
| ex-parrot | it somehow undid my ctrl:swapcaps | 23:25 |
| ex-parrot | I have been using xfce4-terminal for years | 23:25 |
| ex-parrot | oh the background opacity is working, I just don't have a wallpaper anymore :P | 23:25 |
| mntmn | ex-parrot: read the docs about xkb mapping in sway maybe | 23:25 |
| ex-parrot | how come it overrides what's in /etc/default/keyboard | 23:25 |
| ex-parrot | that is a bit rude, since that one setting previously covered everything | 23:25 |
| ex-parrot | from initrd onwards | 23:25 |
| mntmn | ex-parrot: https://man.archlinux.org/man/sway-input.5.en | 23:26 |
| ex-parrot | cheers. I need to get a browser working first :P | 23:27 |
| mntmn | browser doesn't work? maybe you don't have xwayland installed? | 23:28 |
| mntmn | apt install xwayland and restart sway | 23:28 |
| ex-parrot | yeah, xwayland seems to be broken | 23:28 |
| ex-parrot | missing wl_shell protocol | 23:28 |
| ex-parrot | woah it popped a "warning, unsafe paste" window when I tried to paste from one terminal to another | 23:28 |
| ex-parrot | the other thing I need to fix with wayland I believe is that a lot of my workflows revolve around xdotool robotyping stuff for me | 23:29 |
| mntmn | ex-parrot: https://github.com/ReimuNotMoe/ydotool | 23:29 |
| ex-parrot | \o/ | 23:29 |
| ex-parrot | you are too kind mntmn | 23:29 |
| mntmn | sorry | 23:29 |
| mntmn | i should really drive home and sleep | 23:30 |
| ex-parrot | this is a great distraction from the work I am meant to be doing :P | 23:30 |
| mntmn | why am i still at work | 23:30 |
| ex-parrot | I ask you the same thing | 23:30 |
| mntmn | yeah | 23:30 |
| B[] | It's not work if you enjoy it :D | 23:30 |
| mntmn | well that's sadly entirely not true, you can still burn out if you don't watch out ;) | 23:31 |
| ex-parrot | success, I have browser | 23:31 |
| mntmn | ex-parrot: how? | 23:31 |
| ex-parrot | just had to fully quit sway after installing xwayland | 23:31 |
| ex-parrot | and relaunch it | 23:31 |
| mntmn | yes | 23:31 |
| ex-parrot | \o/ | 23:31 |
| ex-parrot | and dare I say... it might perform better | 23:31 |
| ex-parrot | than it did under X w/ compton | 23:32 |
| mntmn | it absolutely should perform better | 23:32 |
| mntmn | much less weird layers | 23:32 |
| ex-parrot | this is very exciting, I feel like I was putting this off for so long for no reason | 23:32 |
| mntmn | yeah there has been a lot of FUD but! also a lot of really important small fixes | 23:32 |
| mntmn | i remember when i started using sway you couldn't play games because it couldn't capture the mouse | 23:32 |
| ex-parrot | ouch | 23:33 |
| ex-parrot | oh man, the browser runs so much faster ;_; | 23:33 |
| mntmn | :D | 23:33 |
| ex-parrot | I have been struggling with horrible browser performance for years | 23:33 |
| ex-parrot | and you just gave me a free 20% CPU upgrade | 23:33 |
| mntmn | cool, spread the good word ;) | 23:33 |
| B[] | Heh this is why I switched off JS years ago :D | 23:33 |
| mntmn | also all video playback etc should be magically tear free | 23:33 |
| ex-parrot | :) I will have to update my "build a debian w/ i3" package to depend on sway instead | 23:33 |
| B[] | I have over a 1000 tabs running (please don't shame me) | 23:34 |
| ex-parrot | I never thought the day would come | 23:34 |
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