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| + rasmus-mk (~rasmus@c83-253-223-217.bredband.comhem.se) | 07:06 | |
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| + mjw (~mjw_@herd.wildebeest.org) | 11:27 | |
| + oomono (uid328183@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-yneqitpherrmvtgh) | 12:03 | |
| mntmn | https://deathwish.info/2020/08/01/pgtk-nativecomp/ | 12:45 |
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| Kooda1 | Congrats for shipping! :D \o/ | 12:54 |
| + erlehmann (~erlehmann@dynamic-046-114-038-118.46.114.pool.telefonica.de) | 13:01 | |
| - odnes (QUIT: Read error: Connection reset by peer) (~odnes@31-152-212-15.pat.amp.cosmote.net) | 13:03 | |
| + odnes (~odnes@31-152-212-15.pat.amp.cosmote.net) | 13:04 | |
| - Kooda1 (QUIT: Quit: killed) (~koodaelyn@ns321866.ip-94-23-225.eu) | 13:06 | |
| + Kooda (~koodaelyn@ns321866.ip-94-23-225.eu) | 13:09 | |
| - erlehmann (QUIT: Quit: Just say no, then the virus can not enter your body without your consent.) (~erlehmann@dynamic-046-114-038-118.46.114.pool.telefonica.de) | 13:09 | |
| mntmn | thanks Kooda! | 13:11 |
| mjw | ACTION is hitting the tracker every 5 minutes. Doesn't seem to help to get it here faster. But I am so excited! :) | 13:45 |
| mntmn | haha mjw, you got a tracking notification? did you get it from crowd supply? | 13:49 |
| mntmn | the first 8 packages were sent out a few hours ago | 13:49 |
| mjw | mntmn, yes, Subject:Your Crowd Supply order (97170) has shipped! | 13:51 |
| mntmn | cool! | 13:51 |
| mntmn | i transmitted the tracking codes last night | 13:51 |
| mntmn | so that seems to be working, then. | 13:51 |
| mjw | mntmn, The crowdsupply email was a little confusing, since it seems to imply it came from the US, but clicking the tracker link said Shipped 03/18/2021 12:35 P.M. Berlin, Germany | 13:52 |
| mjw | Since then I have been clicking like mad to see if it moving :) | 13:53 |
| mntmn | ok cool | 13:53 |
| mntmn | which country are you in? | 13:53 |
| mjw | I am in the Netherlands btw. If things go well it should already be here tomorrow. | 13:53 |
| mntmn | ah, so you're #1 i think | 13:53 |
| mjw | blink | 13:54 |
| mntmn | (of assembled reforms) | 13:54 |
| reverbdog | ACTION is jealous! | 14:28 |
| mntmn | more are coming! | 14:29 |
| mntmn | mnt reform factory is going brrrr | 14:29 |
| reverbdog | i'm probably like last of assembled reforms... that were ordered during the campaign, anyways | 14:29 |
| reverbdog | mntmn: i love that product shot you put together with windowmaker running. windowmaker was my main desktop for some years when i was a teenager, nice little rush of nostalgia. it's pretty classy. | 14:32 |
| mntmn | cool | 14:32 |
| reverbdog | looking forward to giving sway a shot though | 14:33 |
| reverbdog | mntmn: just curious, how many assembled reforms were ordered during the campaign? | 14:34 |
| - dckc- (QUIT: Ping timeout: 265 seconds) (~DanC@136.33.249.0) | 14:35 | |
| + DanC (~DanC@user2.kumc.edu) | 14:40 | |
| reverbdog | what's the most labour intensive part of assembly? keys? | 14:42 |
| lastebil | mntmn: btw onnea (congrats) | 15:11 |
| lastebil | I'm swamped as usual, but very happy for you | 15:12 |
| mntmn | lastebil: thank you! | 15:30 |
| mntmn | reverbdog: hard to say yet, as we've just figured the basic processes out | 15:30 |
| mntmn | there has to be some rework because the board house has introduced tiny problems in some PCBs | 15:30 |
| mntmn | burnt connectors, bridges/shorts | 15:31 |
| mntmn | in a percentage of PCBs | 15:31 |
| mntmn | so we need to find these | 15:31 |
| lastebil | ooh mjw may get his tommorrow, cool | 15:31 |
| lastebil | I guess we'll see the first differences 'in the wild' between the beta 8 and final then (: | 15:32 |
| mntmn | more members in the reform club ^^ | 15:32 |
| mntmn | cool! | 15:32 |
| lastebil | I should make a 'beta 8' logo for we 8 (: | 15:32 |
| ehmry | I managed to install windows 3.1 the other day https://www.spam.works/uploads/win-3.1.jpg | 15:34 |
| mntmn | ehmry: haha nice! in dosbox i see! | 15:39 |
| mntmn | ehmry: what happened to your F keys? | 15:39 |
| ehmry | yea, this recompiler is great | 15:39 |
| mntmn | ehmry: recompiler? | 15:40 |
| mntmn | ehmry: is there a dosbox with JIT for arm? | 15:40 |
| mntmn | (i recall there was something??) | 15:40 |
| ehmry | i think dosbox has a dynmic recompiler | 15:40 |
| ehmry | I'm wear-leveling the beta keycaps | 15:42 |
| mntmn | ehmry: lol i almost thought so | 15:43 |
| mntmn | ehmry: you should upgrade to the new keycaps. i should also offer them | 15:43 |
| - odnes (QUIT: Read error: Connection reset by peer) (~odnes@31-152-212-15.pat.amp.cosmote.net) | 15:43 | |
| + odnes (~odnes@31-152-212-15.pat.amp.cosmote.net) | 15:44 | |
| mntmn | ehmry: but you seem to use reform a lot, which i appreciate | 15:44 |
| ehmry | mntmn: once you go mechanical you don't go back | 15:47 |
| mntmn | ehmry: ha! | 15:48 |
| mntmn | i also recently used my 2013 mbp again and it felt pretty strange | 15:48 |
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| + reverbdog (~thor@2001:bc8:1830:734::1) | 19:39 | |
| + odnes_ (~odnes@109-178-158-163.pat.ren.cosmote.net) | 19:48 | |
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| + oomono (uid328183@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qvpmclmdmxytjhyk) | 20:03 | |
| - _Bnu (QUIT: Read error: Connection reset by peer) (~beeanyew@89-160-120-72.cust.bredband2.com) | 20:08 | |
| + _Bnu (~beeanyew@89-160-120-72.cust.bredband2.com) | 20:09 | |
| reverbdog | i'm surprise those PCB bugs aren't easily found by the manufacturer | 20:41 |
| reverbdog | surprised | 20:41 |
| reverbdog | i mean i know the discrepency is probably just related to scale but i remember seeing a little documentary on some motherboard manufacturer, and they had some step where they snap a very high res picture of the board and do some software analysis | 20:44 |
| reverbdog | automated of course | 20:44 |
| reverbdog | but yeah that does sound potentially labour intensive | 20:46 |
| reverbdog | esp when the bugs are in different spots | 20:46 |
| mntmn | yes it's called AOI | 21:13 |
| mntmn | i'm pretty disappointed in them this time... 10-15% error rate is really unacceptable | 21:13 |
| mntmn | (it's pcbway) | 21:13 |
| mntmn | if they're simple bridges we can easily fix them of course | 21:13 |
| mntmn | but need to find them | 21:14 |
| + alex4nder (~alex4nder@38.126.71.49) | 21:16 | |
| reverbdog | yikes yeah | 21:21 |
| mntmn | i think i found the root cause. i didn't set the solder mask clearance to 0 in kicad | 21:37 |
| mntmn | and nobody ever complained about that | 21:37 |
| mntmn | so i think it's mostly my own fault for making their job harder, but it's also strange that they didn't complain | 21:37 |
| reverbdog | i don't know what that really means but ouch. i've felt that sort of pain with large printing runs and print shops | 21:39 |
| reverbdog | when it's just like, a checkbox that needed to be flipped | 21:40 |
| reverbdog | but yeah, they're supposed to be the experts - would it have been easy to detect on their end? | 21:40 |
| mntmn | yes, it was literally just setting a number in two text boxes to 0 | 21:43 |
| mntmn | yes it would have been very easy to detect | 21:43 |
| mntmn | like, without making anything, just by looking at the mask layer | 21:44 |
| mntmn | now that i've had this pain i will always see it ^^ | 21:44 |
| reverbdog | really frustrating error rate | 21:50 |
| reverbdog | large enough to mean lost $$ but low enough that it only shows up when you make a bunch | 21:50 |
| mntmn | yep | 21:52 |
| mntmn | most of these are easily fixable when spotted, it will just take extra time | 21:52 |
| reverbdog | that's good | 21:52 |
| reverbdog | it doesn't affect the quality of the soldering otherwise? | 21:53 |
| - odnes_ (QUIT: Remote host closed the connection) (~odnes@109-178-158-163.pat.ren.cosmote.net) | 21:56 | |
| mntmn | no, it doesn't | 21:56 |
| mntmn | it just makes solder bridges more likely to happen, if they don't have this extra barrier to cross | 21:56 |
| reverbdog | if you need any help with menial stuff like this, i.e. visual inspection, i have too much free time and no need for compensation | 22:03 |
| reverbdog | (i live in berlin) | 22:03 |
| + erlehmann (~erlehmann@dynamic-046-114-038-118.46.114.pool.telefonica.de) | 22:04 | |
| ex-parrot | so exciting | 22:04 |
| ex-parrot | mntmn: I assume my order to New Zealand is coming through Crowd Supply? | 22:04 |
| mntmn | ex-parrot: yes! | 22:05 |
| ex-parrot | \o/ | 22:05 |
| mntmn | reverbdog: thanks, a kind offer, but i first need to get a better feeling for the scope of the problem | 22:06 |
| ex-parrot | I have been wearing my Reform shirt around town, it has received a few positive comments in the local hacker scene | 22:07 |
| ex-parrot | a lot of people seem to appreciate how much the MNT logo is like a schematic resistor | 22:07 |
| mntmn | ha, that's cool! | 22:08 |
| reverbdog | yeah for sure. i hope for your sake no help is required! heh | 22:10 |
| ex-parrot | novena had some problems with soldering on the larger connectors too, the RAM in particular a few units went out with dodgy soldering :/ | 22:10 |
| ex-parrot | mine's always been fine tho | 22:11 |
| - oomono (QUIT: Quit: Connection closed for inactivity) (uid328183@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qvpmclmdmxytjhyk) | 22:12 | |
| ex-parrot | I haven't been so excited about a computer in a long time | 22:13 |
| ex-parrot | I should probably break the news to this X230 that it's going to be replaced :P | 22:13 |
| mntmn | ha ;D | 22:15 |
| - rasmus-mk (QUIT: Quit: Konversation terminated!) (~rasmus@c83-253-223-217.bredband.comhem.se) | 22:26 | |
| reverbdog | some redditor made a comment in bad faith about the name MNT- My New Thinkpad. but i thought it was sort of apt | 22:42 |
| reverbdog | (i guess the same people don't see beyond the thinkpad's infamous unchanging style) | 22:43 |
| reverbdog | or does it actually mean My New Thinkpad?? | 22:44 |
| ex-parrot | I have enough thinkpads* | 22:44 |
| ex-parrot | * according to other people anyway | 22:44 |
| ex-parrot | I would be surprised | 22:44 |
| ex-parrot | the name predates the Reform project considerably :P | 22:45 |
| reverbdog | what like, /mnt? | 22:45 |
| ex-parrot | I just mean mntmn's name / company predates Reform | 22:45 |
| reverbdog | ah right | 22:46 |
| alex4nder | mntmn: hey,.. looking at the reform schematics, I'm trying to think how I should hang an LTE modem off of the internal USB infra.. I was thinking of adding a small USB hub for the trackball/keyboard, and then hooking up the LTE module to the freed-up USB_INT* | 22:46 |
| alex4nder | does that make sense, or would you do it differently? | 22:46 |
| reverbdog | yeah i would also say the last laptop i've been as excited about would be thinkpads. i'm going thinkpad -> mbp -> reform | 22:47 |
| reverbdog | i had an a30, then a t60 | 22:48 |
| ex-parrot | nice | 22:50 |
| ex-parrot | I've got a really nice T60 at home | 22:50 |
| ex-parrot | libreboot, 1050p panel, SSD, the best CPU you can put in one... | 22:50 |
| + _Bnuface (~beeanyew@89-160-120-72.cust.bredband2.com) | 22:53 | |
| - _Bnu (QUIT: Ping timeout: 246 seconds) (~beeanyew@89-160-120-72.cust.bredband2.com) | 22:57 | |
| + oomono (uid328183@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kcpiymosmllmpjwl) | 22:57 | |
| mntmn | reverbdog: mnt originally meant "minute" | 22:59 |
| mntmn | alex4nder: yes, you can do that | 22:59 |
| alex4nder | cool | 23:03 |
| alex4nder | the pinephone people have an upstream linux kernel running on the EG25 now.. so that seems like a good route | 23:04 |
| doppler | mntmn: haha. I always assumed "mountain man". | 23:41 |
| Neelfyn | Wow that would actually have been a good theory! | 23:56 |
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