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| jackhill | mntmn: Fanless desktop would be cool. In general the more types of things that take the Reform SoM the better to create a richer space for alternative modules :) I'm personally, not interested in an all-in-one Desktop. A thick tablet would be pretty awesome though. Something with a PixelQi-like screen would neat: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pixel_Qi | 06:17 |
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| jackhill | I also don't have the desire for an for an integrated battery in deskopt/servers. I can use external batteries there, but if you wanted to make a stand alone LiFePO4 battery, I'd like that :) | 06:19 |
| jackhill | For pointing, I'm interested in seeing what the Reform trackball/trackpad would be like in a stand-alone enclosure. | 06:20 |
| jackhill | For server-type stuff, I'm currently waiting on a https://www.crowdsupply.com/traverse-technologies/ten64 unfortunate about the networking firmware on those those :/ | 06:20 |
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| mntmn | hmm traverse looks pretty cool, too | 13:58 |
| mntmn | not oshw though > we are unable to make the design fully open hardware for commercial reasons | 14:00 |
| mntmn | at least you get schematics | 14:00 |
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| swivel | in the same vein of PixelQi, a fully sorted epaper alternative display for the reform would be really neat | 18:33 |
| swivel | that'd instantly make it my preferred mobile programming machine i'd take camping/to the beach | 18:34 |
| eery | isn't epaper an intellectual property minefield? | 18:36 |
| swivel | i don't think so? maybe there's proprietary blobs when it comes to driving the display with the special waveforms for achieving accurate shading, but you can also just ignore that and be happy with legible-enough results | 18:39 |
| rvense | i think there's only one company producing it, and that that has something to do with "ip" | 18:42 |
| swivel | ages ago i shared an office with someone from the amazon kindle team on the firmware/OS side, he told me back then the main reason we don't see epaper used in larger displays is the mass production method hadn't figured out how to make anything wider than what kindles were using | 18:46 |
| swivel | something about the screen being poured onto a narrow conveyor where it solidified, so it could be arbitrarily long in one dimension, but rather narrow on the other, which is the width of the conveyor, because when they went wider with that technique it would become nonuniform in thickness | 18:48 |
| swivel | but we're coming up on a decade later and I've seen ~14" epaper monitors discussed on HN | 18:49 |
| rvense | that's interesting | 19:07 |
| rvense | i've heard of 30" onces | 19:07 |
| rvense | at least i think they were | 19:08 |
| swivel | oh there are definitely large sizes available, but they're so expensive because they can't be produced as trivially in huge quantities as the smaller ones | 19:10 |
| swivel | this is why you can easily find small ones for your rpi and tablets are so common | 19:11 |
| swivel | unfortunately it looks like it'd prolly still be cost prohibitive for a reform display :( | 19:12 |
| rvense | i bought one of those inkplates, which is an esp32 plus a recycled kindle display | 19:12 |
| rvense | i haven't done much with it, but it's pretty good | 19:12 |
| swivel | rvense: what'd that cost you? | 19:13 |
| rvense | https://www.crowdsupply.com/e-radionica/inkplate-6 | 19:13 |
| rvense | they just made a 10" version that i kind of wanted to get, but i didn't have a use for it | 19:13 |
| rvense | you can also buy from their online shop, ships from croatia | 19:14 |
| swivel | that's not too bad, recycled display ftw | 19:14 |
| swivel | these are presumably new https://framelabs.eu/en/product/artframe-9/ 450euro | 19:14 |
| rvense | yeah it makes me feel less guilty about having bought one without using it, haha | 19:15 |
| swivel | and the DASUNG monitors are still $$$$ | 19:15 |
| rvense | that's pretty | 19:16 |
| rvense | oh, yeah, but i think they also have a lot of electronics in them | 19:16 |
| rvense | for hdmi | 19:16 |
| rvense | i think they do some kind of "change detection" to do partial updates? but i might have dreamt that up | 19:16 |
| swivel | well I'd be thrilled to have the DASUNG panel in a reform chassis, if it could be done without breaking the bank | 19:17 |
| swivel | prolly, the kindle has an option for that too | 19:18 |
| rvense | for partial updates? | 19:18 |
| swivel | yeah | 19:19 |
| rvense | the arduino library that the inkplate ships with has it. when you draw something you can just ask it to only redraw the parts it's actually drawing to | 19:19 |
| swivel | it has an incremental rendering mode, maybe it was a setting hidden behind a developer mode window, been a while | 19:19 |
| rvense | and that's very fast | 19:19 |
| rvense | it's a very different feeling to the flashing you get when you do a fullscreen redraw | 19:20 |
| swivel | it accumulates error as you turn pages eventually becoming messy, but it's instantaneous, eventually it does a full refresh | 19:20 |
| swivel | yeah the flashing is jarring | 19:20 |
| rvense | i've never actually sat down to read anything on a kindle, don't know if i'd get used to it | 19:21 |
| rvense | but it was weird, because the very first impression of seeing the screen, i was floored, the viewing angles etc., it seemed magical for a few seconds | 19:22 |
| rvense | and then i flipped the page and it kind of ruined it immediately | 19:22 |
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| rvense | that was aages ago though | 19:23 |
| swivel | i have a backlit kindle voyage which has crazy high ppi compared to my thinkpads, it's kind of amazeballs to read books on, especially laying down since there's no bulk to it like the thick books i tend to read | 19:24 |
| rvense | but as all terminal geeks i love the idea of an e-ink terminal | 19:24 |
| swivel | s/backlit/frontlit/ actually, i think | 19:25 |
| rvense | i was trying to read an old fashioned book while eating breakfast this morning and it wouldn't stay open | 19:25 |
| rvense | that was annoying | 19:26 |
| swivel | right | 19:26 |
| swivel | you get over the page turning refresh vs. all the benefits | 19:27 |
| rvense | i know a lot of people love them | 19:28 |
| rvense | the reform display is edp, right? so you'd have to put some brains in there | 19:31 |
| swivel | i belive so yeah | 19:32 |
| rvense | there's probably a bunch of work to do there | 19:32 |
| rvense | if you want it blob free | 19:32 |
| swivel | i don't know the details of interfacing with one, but fundamentally it's like any other lcd panel aiui, the secret sauce is in the modulating to arrive at specific shades, but you can drive it in a dumb way and still get relatively legible results, though my ex colleague said there was some risk of damaging the eink without using the proprietary blob that used the right waveforms | 19:36 |
| swivel | just instead of the lcd cells filtering light, they attract/repel the pigmented blobs in the eink layer, sorting them from front to back | 19:39 |
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| ex-parrot | swivel: you need to be a bit clever about selecting the drive waveforms, and doing enough "clearing" etc to stop a charge building up on the panel | 23:38 |
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