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| franks2 | Anyone know if the price on the crowdsupply is VAT included? | 09:15 |
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| Kooda | I think it is, I don’t remember paying extra | 09:21 |
| Kooda | Oh nevermind, if you try to check out it adds VAT | 09:22 |
| franks2 | Hm, did not add here, only shipping | 09:28 |
| franks2 | maybe because im en europe | 09:28 |
| Kooda | I’m in europe too | 09:30 |
| franks2 | Norway here | 09:34 |
| Kooda | I’m in france | 09:38 |
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| mntmn | wait what | 13:56 |
| mntmn | franks2: it *adds* VAT?? | 13:57 |
| mntmn | franks2: i mean norway is not in the EU right. so you will get your order shipped from Crowd Supply, not from us (MNT) | 13:59 |
| mntmn | franks2: if the VAT is in the checkout it would mean that mouser is pre-paying the import VAT for you | 14:00 |
| mntmn | franks2: otherwise, the norwegian customs would collect the VAT from you | 14:01 |
| mntmn | but in the EU, orders will be shipped from germany, so there is no import VAT, so we have to give 19% to the govt | 14:02 |
| mntmn | UK is a bit of a question mark for me because it left EU between the checkout and us shipping something... | 14:03 |
| franks2 | mntmn: ah okey, so its added when it arrives then | 15:14 |
| franks2 | mntmn: did not add for me, it did for Kooda | 15:14 |
| mntmn | franks2: ah sorry i misunderstood. i'm not sure if it will be added at all because i don't know how deeply everything is integrated with mouser's system now | 15:15 |
| mntmn | Kooda: can you confirm that VAT was added for you on checkout? | 15:15 |
| Esi | mntmn: I don't know about Norway but Iceland for example is part of the European economic zone or something like that, so the EU VAT rules apply to iceland even though we are not part of EU. could be same for Norway. | 15:22 |
| Esi | Europe is complicated :P | 15:22 |
| mntmn | i'm just a bit surprised that EU orders have to pay VAT on top in the CS checkout, because that changes my calculations. maybe this was changed recently? did anyone else here order out of EU? | 15:25 |
| mntmn | it could be that there's a difference between crowdfunded orders and orders that were made after the crowdfunding deadline | 15:26 |
| Neelfyn | I ordered to a French address back in May and did not have to pay any tax on top, but if I add a Reform to my cart now I indeed see a "FR VAT 20.00%" line, so something must have changed | 16:03 |
| Neelfyn | Actually it also adds $25 for international shipping, didn't have this last time either. | 16:03 |
| mntmn | Neelfyn: ok, this makes perfect sense | 16:17 |
| mntmn | Neelfyn: thank you | 16:17 |
| Kooda | mntmn: yeah I can confirm: http://lxp.fr/i4ek2jbJJo | 16:17 |
| mntmn | got it | 16:18 |
| Kooda | Yeah it’s weird I didn’t remember paying that during the campaign | 16:18 |
| mntmn | yep it means that after campaign end, all units will be fulfilled by cs/mouser | 16:18 |
| mntmn | and units bought in EU before campaign end, we will ship from germany | 16:18 |
| mntmn | directly | 16:18 |
| mntmn | so those already include VAT | 16:19 |
| Kooda | Is that what you wanted? | 16:19 |
| mntmn | well, what happened after campaign end was a little bit underdefined | 16:19 |
| mntmn | but we will offer reform at some point in our own shop as well | 16:19 |
| Kooda | Ok :) | 16:19 |
| mntmn | this will make it easier for EU customers, who can then order from us directly again. but i'm not sure about the pricing yet | 16:20 |
| Kooda | I see. | 16:23 |
| Neelfyn | That was the early bird discount, haha | 16:26 |
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| franks2 | mntmn: you have a physical store in Germany? | 22:24 |
| ex-parrot | I am still looking forward to finding out what happens with New Zealand customs | 22:24 |
| mntmn | franks2: we do not have a physical store, but a physical company | 22:25 |
| franks2 | Ah, right | 22:26 |
| franks2 | If the sales go good, do you consider adding a bit more oomph to a new version? | 22:26 |
| mntmn | i don't know what you mean by oomph | 22:42 |
| franks2 | power :) | 22:43 |
| franks2 | ram, cpu. | 22:43 |
| mntmn | there is an LS1028A module in development with 2x cortex-a72 and 8 or 16GB ram, albeit expensive | 22:43 |
| mntmn | there's currently no chip available that is much faster + at least as open as imx8mq | 22:43 |
| franks2 | wow :O | 22:43 |
| mntmn | at least not to my knowledge | 22:43 |
| franks2 | how much do you ballpark that to cost? | 22:44 |
| mntmn | i can't tell | 22:44 |
| mntmn | (yet) | 22:44 |
| mntmn | but i think at least 500 euro only for the module | 22:44 |
| mntmn | like, for the upgrade | 22:44 |
| franks2 | aha, yes | 22:45 |
| franks2 | very exciting | 22:45 |
| franks2 | keep ut the good work <3 | 22:45 |
| mntmn | thanks! i'm also always looking for new chips to pop up. but you have to consider the whole picture incl. driver maturity | 22:45 |
| mntmn | because it should be stable and not rely on too many patches to the kernel etc | 22:45 |
| ex-parrot | I would like a Z80 based module, tia | 22:45 |
| ex-parrot | ok I was joking but... imagine a Commodore 64 motherboard module | 22:46 |
| mntmn | ex-parrot: maybe the kintex-7 module that i'm developing can at least implement a few dozen z80s ;) | 22:46 |
| ex-parrot | :D | 22:46 |
| mntmn | i'm also interested in the new risc-v chip beaglebone are using | 22:47 |
| mntmn | it is all preproduction though | 22:47 |
| mntmn | i think later this year we'll see more interesting stuff | 22:47 |
| franks2 | Awesome | 22:48 |
| mntmn | but i'm typing this on the imx8mq and i'm really pretty happy with it. i've been coding a little game on it this weekend in C and it was good fun | 22:48 |
| mntmn | most slowdowns come from javascript bloat in some web applications | 22:48 |
| franks2 | Especially Slack :| | 22:49 |
| mntmn | yeah luckily i don't have to use that for anything | 22:49 |
| mntmn | but mattermost (foss slack equivalent) that we're using internally is also a bit slow in the browser | 22:49 |
| ex-parrot | it's slow even on this i7 X230 I'm using | 22:50 |
| ex-parrot | so I wouldn't feel too bad | 22:50 |
| mntmn | haha | 22:50 |
| franks2 | We use Slack and Mattermost at work. Mattermost has a CLI client tho, but it's not too good | 22:50 |
| mntmn | yep i wasn't too happy with matterhorn if you mean that | 22:51 |
| ex-parrot | is there a bitlbee or something plugin for Mattermost? | 22:51 |
| mntmn | yeah there is matterbridge | 22:51 |
| mntmn | it can bridge even to irc i think | 22:51 |
| franks2 | https://github.com/matterhorn-chat/matterhorn | 22:51 |
| mntmn | but i haven't set it up yet | 22:51 |
| ex-parrot | as a result of acquisitions and bad decisions the company I work for uses Slack, Microsoft Teams, Google Hangouts and irc | 22:51 |
| ex-parrot | for internal comms | 22:51 |
| mntmn | wow | 22:51 |
| ex-parrot | and there's a horrible problem of partial overlaps | 22:51 |
| ex-parrot | among different parts of the company | 22:51 |
| ex-parrot | about where to find them | 22:52 |
| ex-parrot | I am trying to push everything back to irc :D | 22:52 |
| franks2 | maybe with ircv3 that can happen | 22:52 |
| ex-parrot | (with a web UI) | 22:52 |
| mntmn | if only software was interoperable... | 22:52 |
| ex-parrot | yeah... | 22:52 |
| franks2 | Matrix dont look too bad tho | 22:52 |
| ex-parrot | 3-4 jobs ago, we ran all our internal comms on XMPP | 22:52 |
| ex-parrot | and we had customers who ran their own XMPP and could IM us if they needed | 22:52 |
| ex-parrot | and I had bots hooked in to the XMPP channels to report nagios alerts etc | 22:52 |
| ex-parrot | it was nirvana | 22:53 |
| ex-parrot | pure bliss | 22:53 |
| mntmn | utopia | 22:53 |
| ex-parrot | ^ | 22:53 |
| franks2 | XMPP is awesome | 22:53 |
| ex-parrot | I even had the doorbell for our office hooked up to it, so if someone came up and hit the button we'd get a ping in the office MUC | 22:53 |
| mntmn | ha | 22:53 |
| ex-parrot | nowadays I guess that's called "chatops" | 22:54 |
| franks2 | :D | 22:54 |
| ex-parrot | anyway now I've tasted paradise and nothing will ever be good enough | 22:54 |
| franks2 | which xmpp server did you run? | 22:54 |
| ex-parrot | initially ejabberd, later prosody | 22:55 |
| franks2 | i missed offline messages etc from xmpp | 22:55 |
| ex-parrot | we had that stuff working with XEPs | 22:55 |
| franks2 | and client interoperatibilty | 22:55 |
| franks2 | yea | 22:55 |
| mntmn | did you have any good web interface for xmpp groups? | 22:55 |
| ex-parrot | oh and we all had android 1.x phones, also dialed in to XMPP, so we could get e.g. an XMPP message saying "a call is being redirected to your mobile from this number... stand by" | 22:55 |
| ex-parrot | mntmn: the best one I used (and it's not that great, we maintained a soft fork) was Candy | 22:55 |
| ex-parrot | I think it's a bit dead now | 22:55 |
| mntmn | ok | 22:56 |
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| ex-parrot | actually we were using Coldfire XMPP for a while too, but I can't say much good about it | 22:56 |
| ex-parrot | Openfire maybe | 22:57 |
| ex-parrot | coldfire is an ARM chip :P | 22:57 |
| ex-parrot | wait not even | 22:57 |
| ex-parrot | a 68k chip | 22:57 |
| ex-parrot | mntmn: when you're done can you whip up a coldfire based AMIGA module for the reform too? cheers :P | 22:58 |
| mntmn | ex-parrot: i will leave it as an exercise for the reader ;) | 22:59 |
| mntmn | amigaos is not compatible with coldfire | 22:59 |
| mntmn | (also it's proprietary) | 22:59 |
| ex-parrot | ah, I thought someone was talking about doing a coldfire based accelerator years ago | 22:59 |
| mntmn | (and actively legally defended) | 22:59 |
| ex-parrot | yeah fair enough | 22:59 |
| mntmn | no it only worked out for atari mods i think | 22:59 |
| ex-parrot | good to know | 23:00 |
| ex-parrot | tbh I haven't checked on the status of that project in maybe almost 20 years | 23:00 |
| mntmn | i'm no atari expert but AFAIK there are custom versions of TOS available so they were able to make it compatible | 23:00 |
| ex-parrot | cool | 23:00 |
| mntmn | a lot of amiga stuff needs instructions that are left out of coldfire | 23:00 |
| ex-parrot | ah right. i guess i fyou had custom amiga OS you could trap and emulate them? | 23:01 |
| ex-parrot | but it seems less clean than I was led to believe it would be :P | 23:01 |
| mntmn | yep but idk how well that would perform | 23:01 |
| ex-parrot | plus booter games etc | 23:01 |
| ex-parrot | would be a nightmare | 23:01 |
| mntmn | yep | 23:01 |
| ex-parrot | ok, I withdraw my request :P | 23:02 |
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