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| q66 | <@mntmn> like, can they be laser charred? | 04:20 |
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| q66 | as far as i can tell these are PBT so dyesub is the standard thing | 04:20 |
| q66 | iirc laser etching on pbt is no good | 04:21 |
| q66 | the other popular thing is doubleshot keys but that's hard with PBT (due to shrinkage) so you usually see it on ABS keys, but ABS is crap (and PBT is good) | 04:23 |
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| doppler | I've never had a good understanding of just how difficult PBT shrinkage makes double-shooting | 06:23 |
| doppler | like, will most places still do it but they'll charge you a lot? or is it just hard to find someone to do it, period | 06:24 |
| swivel | 32 | 06:44 |
| swivel | oops | 06:44 |
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| mntmn | Kooda: i wonder if a similar coating could be applied to PBT caps after the fact | 12:39 |
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| ehmry | I was skeptical of the trackball, but now i prefer it over the trackpoint | 14:04 |
| ehmry | the old thinkpad keyboard just isn't comfortable anymore for me | 14:05 |
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| mntmn | ehmry: oh wow ok | 14:08 |
| mntmn | ehmry: i have discovered more ergonomic keycaps btw, but they do not support backlighting currently | 14:08 |
| mntmn | ehmry: i don't remember if you have a blank keyboard though | 14:08 |
| lastebil | it is a good trackball. It beats the crap out of the old trackballs pre-trackpoint which were located in a similar location - but had far less functionality | 14:50 |
| lastebil | I still like poin-ted sticks (trackpoint things) but I have some that are much less functional (Dell or Toshiba) so... the trackball is a far better option. | 14:51 |
| lastebil | (and of course I still maintain that 'touchpads' should never be placed anywhere near humans or computers.) | 14:52 |
| mntmn | thanks, that's good to hear | 15:01 |
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| q66 | doppler: double-shot pbt is doable, you just won't see it much | 16:24 |
| q66 | dyesub is easier and just as durable | 16:25 |
| q66 | the ink pretty much penetrates the plastic and as pbt doesn't undergo significant wear, it stays on | 16:26 |
| + erlehmann (~erlehmann@dynamic-046-114-032-072.46.114.pool.telefonica.de) | 16:39 | |
| doppler | q66: neat | 16:59 |
| doppler | q66: of course the issue at hand is that dyesub doesn't allow for backlighting IIUC because it doesn't go all the way through the key the way a double-shot construction does | 17:00 |
| - deltab (QUIT: Ping timeout: 260 seconds) (~deltab@95.154.230.49) | 17:00 | |
| q66 | right | 17:01 |
| q66 | well, it just won't go through the key | 17:02 |
| q66 | ACTION always found backlight pointless so he doesn't care so much | 17:03 |
| doppler | yeah; you'll still get some glow around the edges | 17:03 |
| q66 | but i also usually use blank keyd | 17:03 |
| q66 | keys | 17:03 |
| doppler | I don't care terribly much personally either; my only use of keyboard backlights is on unfamiliar layouts | 17:04 |
| doppler | random laptop -> "where the hell did manufacturer X put Insert this time?" (fuckers) | 17:06 |
| doppler | pardon my language | 17:06 |
| q66 | lol | 17:06 |
| q66 | yeah i guess | 17:07 |
| q66 | i rarely deal with laptops | 17:07 |
| doppler | lucky you | 17:07 |
| q66 | and my desktop keyboard is 30 years old | 17:07 |
| q66 | not much changes there | 17:07 |
| doppler | right | 17:08 |
| doppler | I think mine is about the same | 17:08 |
| doppler | it's easy when it's your own equipment and it's all modular | 17:08 |
| doppler | I should get some blank keycaps sometime; those always sounded fun | 17:09 |
| doppler | I have so many keycaps and keyboards in my possession that I've never been able to justify ordering yet another set ;) | 17:09 |
| doppler | ACTION imagines sanding off the printing on a set of PBT caps | 17:10 |
| doppler | wonder how well that would turn out | 17:10 |
| + deltab (~deltab@95.154.230.49) | 17:11 | |
| q66 | well, current one has legends https://i.imgur.com/nQq5bvM.jpg | 17:17 |
| q66 | i just don't look at them | 17:17 |
| doppler | nice space saver! | 17:21 |
| q66 | maybe i'll turn it blank once https://www.modelfkeyboards.com/ ships | 17:23 |
| doppler | hah yeah | 17:23 |
| q66 | i have two keyboards ordered and while at it some extra keycap sets and they should be directly compatible | 17:23 |
| q66 | since they made the choice to use model m compatible spacebars | 17:24 |
| doppler | oh interesting | 17:24 |
| doppler | that is different than the original Fs, right? | 17:24 |
| q66 | it should be identical other than the spacebar | 17:24 |
| q66 | which had different width as well as weight on the originals | 17:24 |
| doppler | oh right, of course; they were super wide on the originals | 17:25 |
| doppler | but we need modifiers these days | 17:25 |
| q66 | yeah it means a more standard layout (it's pretty much a very standard 60% for F66, and a 60% + extra block for F77) plus easier to source keycaps in the future | 17:26 |
| doppler | what are the non-space keycaps? are they newly produced but F-compatible? | 17:33 |
| q66 | yeah should be | 17:41 |
| q66 | model m and model f use the same keycaps | 17:41 |
| q66 | except model f keycaps were always one-piece, and model m keycaps (as produced today by unicomp as well as late IBM years) are two-piece (there's a 1U size stem, and a keycap on top of that) | 17:42 |
| q66 | https://i.imgur.com/iMLjbvs.jpg | 17:44 |
| q66 | except the large ones that is, e.g. shift and enter and so on were one-piece always | 17:45 |
| q66 | not that big of a difference between them | 17:47 |
| q66 | the two-piece ones may be a bit cheaper to produce | 17:47 |
| doppler | I wouldn't have guessed | 18:01 |
| ehmry | mntmn: how do I make sure I've oriented the display pannel connector correctly? | 19:37 |
| ehmry | I have a white dot in one corner | 19:38 |
| mntmn | ehmry: white dot is pin 1 | 19:43 |
| mntmn | ehmry: on the silkscreen of the connector on the PCB there is a little cutout in the rectangle there | 19:44 |
| mntmn | ehmry: do you see it? | 19:44 |
| ehmry | yep | 19:44 |
| mntmn | one corner is different then the others. so that's where white dot goes | 19:44 |
| ehmry | next question is, do you know how to get the linux console on the panel as soon as possible? | 19:44 |
| ehmry | its tty1? | 19:45 |
| mntmn | not sure if i understand the question! | 19:45 |
| mntmn | to get a console on the kernel the nwl-dsi and dcss driver modules must be loaded, and dcss module without hdmi parameter | 19:46 |
| q66 | to get video output on display you usually specify console=tty0 | 19:47 |
| q66 | then linux should use it as soon as all the drivers are available | 19:47 |
| q66 | before then, i don't think you can get anything | 19:48 |
| q66 | you could if you had EFI+efifb | 19:48 |
| ehmry | i'm dumb, I have a module mix up | 19:49 |
| ehmry | but I think its strange that the panel seems to come up as tty1 rather than tty0 | 19:49 |
| q66 | tty0 is the kernel console (i.e. default), tty1 is a specific virtual terminal | 19:50 |
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| ehmry | jeez, you'd think this stuff was designed in the 70s | 20:09 |
| mntmn | ehmry: it is possible to get even earlier console output incl. penguins if the dcss+nwl-dsi are compiled into the kernel. you lose HDMI capability then, at the moment, until i manage to make that switchable at runtime | 20:17 |
| q66 | mntmn: you should still be able to see penguins if you stuff the modules in your initramfs | 20:23 |
| q66 | but it will kick in a bit later | 20:23 |
| ehmry | I've been putting in my luks password before the initrd brings up the display :/ | 20:24 |
| ehmry | but I'm also mixing and matching kernels and initrds | 20:25 |
| mntmn | ah, i'm not using a initr | 20:32 |
| mntmn | initrd | 20:32 |
| mntmn | so far | 20:32 |
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