2020-07-15.log

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jackhillmntmn: questions re: hdmi. It's hdmi or internal display, not both at the same time, right?19:40
jackhilland, can audio be routed over hdmi?19:40
lastebilhmm, I can test the hdmi thing in a minute19:42
lastebildoing work atm but as soon as that is done I can test19:42
jackhilllastebil: cool thanks. I assume having a Reform is as much fun as it looks?19:42
lastebilyes. I really am disliking that I could not work with it the past 24 hours19:44
jackhillheh :)19:44
lastebilloads of things to adjust, but it is usable - just: I have to remap a few things because my fingers "don't" do certain things, and ... I can't retrain them in the way it's mapped (:19:44
lastebilI hit right shift and it does "up" and... repeats, and that is KILLING me in the shell (:19:45
lastebilthe good thing is this gives me a chance to write a remapper tool for sway19:45
lastebilsway fully supports remapping but it's slightly different than X (:19:45
swivelthat these things need to be reinvented per-compositor in the wayland world makes me want to cry19:47
lastebilwhy?19:47
lastebilbecause the X folks didn't plan for multiple keyboards and outputs 40 years ago?  (:19:48
lastebiloh I did not read 'per-compositor' yes that ... is a bit... backward.19:48
lastebilthat said: I think the sway utilities to query things may work in other compositors? I don't know tho.19:49
lastebilI mainly use sway (:19:49
mntmn lastebil: HDMI and EDP (via MIPI-DSI) are _currently_ mutually exclusive. we might find a way one day to use the LCDIF controller to power MIPI-DSI->EDP but i had bandwidth problems when using it together with PCIe/NVMe19:56
mntmnlastebil: currently both MIPI-DSI->EDP and HDMI are powered by the DCSS block, which doesn't have any problems with PCIe traffic19:57
mntmnlastebil, swivel: sway uses xkb so... if there was any xkb remapping tool it would work19:58
mntmnhttps://github.com/swaywm/sway/issues/3999#issuecomment-47954321019:59
mntmnalso, the keyboard can of course be customized via firmware.19:59
mntmnalso i think because of wlroots there is a good chance that at least compositors will settle down on a common library20:00
mntmnat least *some* compositors20:00
swivelthis approach just further fragments an already fragmented ecosystem20:17
swivelit's not wayland, it's "wlroots-derived tribe" "gnome-derived tribe" "kde-derived tribe", in the past that venn diagram would have overlapped a whole lot more in the X area, now replace the X area with wayland and it's much much smaller overlap.20:19
swivelbut whatever, I'm kind of resigned to not care much anymore20:19
swiveleveryone's moved on to osx long ago anyways20:19
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mntmnswivel: haha i see it totally differently20:23
mntmnswivel: this is just open collaboration and development vs one company dictating a single way. and in practice it doesn't matter so much which compositor you use. there's not many viable ones anyway... basically KDE/kwin, GNOME/mutter and sway/wlroots stuff20:25
mntmnand all of them can run any X application too20:25
mntmnand if something breaks, you can fix it yourself, try that with OSX20:26
mntmni'm personally mega happy to have escaped planet OSX. linux feels empowering.20:26
technomancyat least if it's broken it's probably not broken on purpose like it is with Apple20:29
KoodaI use evdev interception tools to remap regardless of whether I’m in the linux console, X or a wayland compositor21:01
Koodahttps://gitlab.com/interception/linux/tools21:02
KoodaNot super great nor user friendly though.21:02
mntmninteresting Kooda21:09
KoodaNot that useful for the Reform I would guess, since you can remap the keyboard itself. :D21:13
lastebilmntmn: um, sway keyboard mapping is done via the sway config, no?21:38
lastebilat least, one must set the initial keymap that way...21:38
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mntmnlastebil: yeah apparently you can load a xkb symbols file from there but i haven't tried22:36
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