2020-07-11.log

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gcc-addictlastebil: (reform22984 here) bypass isn't a nick I've ever used and I haven't done any demoscene, so that's most likely not me20:22
gcc-addictmntmn: have you had any luck booting uboot from the eMMC? at the moment it seems I can't get it to work no matter the DIP settings, it always boots from the SD20:25
mntmngcc-addict: yeah. the secret is the tiny dip switch on the SOM. you have to carefully remove the heatsink before switching it, though.20:28
mntmngcc-addict: i say carefully because there is a bit of thermal paste on it20:28
gcc-addictmntmn: oh damn20:28
mntmngcc-addict: it's not a big deal, but just don't smear it on stuff and especially not into your eyes20:29
gcc-addictmntmn: I work in data centers, I know what that stuff is :P20:29
mntmnhmm or maybe it's reachable without removing the heatsink? one sec20:29
mntmngcc-addict: ok, i just thought it's better to give a warning then not.20:30
mntmnthan20:30
gcc-addictoh definitely20:30
gcc-addictand if you get it anywhere on your hands, it's not coming off that easily either...20:30
mntmngcc-addict: ok heatsink has to be removed. no chance otherwise. and if you put it back on, be very gentle with the screws. there are no spacers on the beta devices20:31
mntmngcc-addict: so if you screw them too far in you could crack things20:31
mntmngcc-addict: you'll know what i mean. you just need to find a bit of a balance with the screws20:31
gcc-addictmntmn: already took the SOM out once to check the contacts on the DIMM connector, thought maybe there were bad traces/bad solder joints; but they're all good20:32
mntmngcc-addict: oh ok!20:32
mntmngcc-addict: did something not work or it was about the dip switches?20:32
gcc-addictmntmn: can't be worse than modern Xeons that tell you to pry the heatsink off with a screwdriver20:32
mntmnhaha wow20:33
gcc-addictmntmn: the DIP switches on the mobo are connected okay, but I din't know there's a DIP switch on the SOM itself20:33
mntmngcc-addict: yeah i always forget about that one.20:33
gcc-addictmntmn: I was about to break out the JTAG kit to troubleshoot this...20:33
mntmngcc-addict: cool, i've never tested the JTAG! so if you ever get around that, tell me your results...20:34
mntmngcc-addict: SOM schematics btw http://dump.mntmn.com/SCH_Nit8MQ_SOM_2r8e_REV10_20190228.pdf20:34
mntmngcc-addict: the SW1 dip switch on the SOM is connected to BOOT_MODE020:35
mntmnsheet 5, sector A620:36
gcc-addictmntmn: got it, it's right next to the CSI connector20:36
mntmngcc-addict: yeah. btw how did you prepare the u-boot for the eMMC?20:37
mntmngcc-addict: did you rebuild it?20:37
gcc-addictmntmn: I've used the reform-system-image scripts things20:37
mntmngcc-addict: cool ok20:37
mntmngcc-addict: if you do interesting stuff with this, do tell20:37
gcc-addictmntmn: worked mostly alright, but when I tried compiling from reform gcc has a slightly different name; could be because I'm chrooted into a gentoo install20:37
gcc-addictmntmn: worked fine on my coreboot builds host though so no issue20:38
mntmngcc-addict: you use gentoo in a chroot on reform?20:38
gcc-addictmntmn: I'm gonna try to set up gentoo, yeah :)20:38
gcc-addictmntmn: right now booting off the SD card w/ uboot and kernel on it, then pulling root off f2fs from nvme, works fine but still no graphics20:39
mntmngcc-addict: cool, there's also another beta customer (vimja) who tries to do that20:39
mntmngcc-addict: ok for graphics you need those kernel modules for nwl-dsi and dcss20:39
gcc-addictmntmn: I don't believe in modules, gonna try to compile them in-kernel, but u-boot goes first20:40
mntmngcc-addict: yes, same, i just have it as modules temporarily to be able to switch between hdmi and edp20:40
- csprng (QUIT: Ping timeout: 256 seconds) (~sprang@h72-35-139-237.bendor.broadband.dynamic.tds.net)20:40
gcc-addictmntmn: thought so, most of the drivers are in-kernel which positively surprised me!20:41
mntmngcc-addict: i hacked that ability in myself but haven't got to a point where i can dynamically switch. so i have to unload/reload the module with a different parameter to switch the output20:41
gcc-addictmntmn: and the reform-display service was a dead giveaway too :)20:41
mntmngcc-addict: ah yes. glad you found it, i haven't documented that yet i think20:41
gcc-addictmntmn: also FYI I'm considering making a different side plate that would accomodate a SMA connector for external wifi antennas20:42
+ csprng (~sprang@h72-35-139-237.bendor.broadband.dynamic.tds.net)20:42
mntmngcc-addict: in case you're interested, this is my custom init script on my SD to decrypt my SSD and hop to the next init/rootfs in it20:42
mntmngcc-addict: http://dump.mntmn.com/reform-init.txt20:42
mntmngcc-addict: cool idea @ sma20:43
mntmngcc-addict: on which side you want to put 'em?20:43
gcc-addictmntmn: there's a nice spot right next to the HDMI connector, so if I want to have something that can unfold it wouldn't get in the way20:44
gcc-addictmntmn: I'm a bit worried it might interfere with the display connector, but that's the closest spot to the wifi card20:44
gcc-addictmntmn: otherwise I was thinking around the SD card, but that's a bit far away and I only got short ufl-SMA cables20:45
mntmnwill you publish your experiments somewhere?20:45
mntmn(could be very interesting for other users)20:45
gcc-addictmntmn: oh yes, I'm planning on writing up how to get this running once I've got graphics - hopefully next week, but we'll see how easy it is20:46
gcc-addictmntmn: definitely want to set up a guide on how to get gentoo running before prod reforms ship!20:46
mntmngcc-addict: awesome. if you have any kernel questions just drop me a line here or @ email20:48
gcc-addictmntmn: add F2FS support to the default kernel :P20:49
gcc-addictmntmn: u-boot from eMMC works after switching the SW1 on SOM btw20:51
gcc-addictthanks!20:51
mntmngcc-addict: oh interesting, i wasn't familiar with f2fs20:51
mntmngcc-addict: cool!20:51
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KoodaSpeaking of writing all of this somewhere: it would be nice to have a community wiki for Reform users with that kind of info21:44
swivellooks like we've got a wiki maintainer volunteer!21:45
KoodaIf I find a wiki software that fits on my tiny server, maybe21:45
mntmn:D21:50
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gcc-addictmntmn: graphics work too with the new kernel, looks like I'll have to write that guide after all ;)22:32
mntmngcc-addict: awesome, did you build your own kernel?22:33
gcc-addictmntmn: yeah, for now I'm using the repo from reform-system-image but pulled in only the drivers that I'll actually be using22:34
mntmngcc-addict: ok cool!22:34
gcc-addictmntmn: next step will be to make a patchset for the gentoo kernel repo and build off that22:34
gcc-addictmntmn: no modules at the moment though!22:34
mntmngcc-addict: cool anyway! so mipi -> eDP display works yeah?22:35
gcc-addictmntmn: correct, haven't tested HDMI22:35
mntmnyeah no problem22:35
swivelis reform using a wayland compositor or xorg out of the box?22:38
KoodaThe bundled OS is using Sway I think22:42
Kooda(so a wayland compositor)22:42
swivelcool22:43
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mntmnyep, sway23:54
mntmnyou can run fullscreen X on top of sway though, with Xwayland :123:54
swiveldoes acceleratoed xorg not work?23:55
swivelcurious because I have yet to rewrite my window manager as a wayland compositor, so I still use xorg23:56

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