| cphealy | cool, tnx | 00:00 |
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| ebel | Is there any photo(s) of the QWERTY UK keyboard? I'd like to make sure it's exactly what I'd like | 18:07 |
| mntmn | ebel: no, i haven’t finalized that layout yet. what is critical for you on UK QWERTY? | 18:50 |
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| ebel | mntmn: just that it is an _actual_ UK keyboard layout 😉 | 19:20 |
| ebel | I recently got a new QWERTZ German laptop, and it had the short enter key & the pipe key was at the other side. | 19:21 |
| ebel | """"regular folks"""" might not care about these special keys, but I'm sure you can understand why pipe `|` is commonly used by me. 🙂 | 19:22 |
| lastebil | so you want the ANSI layout, not ISO? and in UK? | 19:22 |
| lastebil | ever since moving from the US and having 2 more keys, I just can't understand ANSI... | 19:23 |
| mntmn | all layouts will be ANSI-like at first :3 | 19:24 |
| mntmn | ebel: if you have a few minutes, i'll quickly do a sketch of what i think it'll look like | 19:24 |
| lastebil | mntmn: oh this is the external keyboard? | 19:24 |
| Jookia | lastebil: what do you mean 2 more keys? | 19:26 |
| Jookia | https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b2/Physical_keyboard_layouts_comparison_ANSI_ISO_KS_ABNT_JIS.png | 19:26 |
| mntmn | lastebil: sorry, what do you mean? all reforms have an ansi-like keyboard and the external one is the same | 19:27 |
| mntmn | lastebil: but it's not fully ansi | 19:27 |
| lastebil | mntmn: hmm I didn't notice, so we have no key between (en)z(de)y and shift? | 19:27 |
| mntmn | lastebil, ebel: this is the current QWERTY keyboard layout of reform https://source.mntmn.com/MNT/reform/raw/commit/cc4d354ea0ee8c73a65414acb433970c8c498e7e/reform2-keyboard-pcb/lettering/reform2-keyboard-v3-lettering-qwerty.pdf | 19:28 |
| mntmn | lastebil: oh, there is a key there. the layout has features from both ansi and iso, maybe. | 19:28 |
| lastebil | Jookia: see the red keys? those 2. the thing above the return is not on most US ANSI models. It is a reversed-L enter shaped key. | 19:28 |
| mntmn | reform, like ANSI, has only 2 keys between L and ENTER (return), but it has the extra key between left shift and Z, like ISO | 19:29 |
| lastebil | mntmn: ok that's what I mean when I talk about the difference between ANSI and ISO. the key between the shift and z/y, and the key next to the return. I use the key there a LOT (: | 19:29 |
| lastebil | ok, I'll adjust. | 19:30 |
| lastebil | that is where, typically, \| is, but I'll put it somewhere else that is reachable (: | 19:30 |
| mntmn | we can make a fully ISO keyboard later, but i didn't do it because i opted for a keyboard with no special key shapes | 19:30 |
| mntmn | lastebil: on reform, \| is right above enter | 19:30 |
| Jookia | lastebil: my mechanical keyboard has no key left of z, so wide shift, and pipe key between backspace and enter | 19:31 |
| Jookia | the reform keyboard is reprogrammable, no? you could just make your own keymap | 19:31 |
| mntmn | yes | 19:31 |
| lastebil | you can make your own keymap with any keyboard (: | 19:31 |
| mntmn | but this is about the number of keys i think | 19:31 |
| Jookia | true, but it's a hassle | 19:31 |
| mntmn | number slash locations | 19:31 |
| lastebil | not compared to not having the key between shift and Z/Y (: | 19:31 |
| mntmn | sizes etc | 19:32 |
| mntmn | also the stagger is a bit different in reform, you have to get used to it for a few minutes | 19:32 |
| mntmn | i use the one from commodore SX-64 | 19:32 |
| lastebil | hmm, did that have ctrl and shiftlock? | 19:33 |
| mntmn | 2 and A are vertically aligned, as are W and Z | 19:33 |
| lastebil | that's closer to my atreus anyway, which is not quite isolinear (: | 19:33 |
| lastebil | anyway. I'll adjust (: the fellow asking the question originally may not, though. | 19:34 |
| mntmn | yeah, so the reform keyboard is in between staggered and ortholinear | 19:34 |
| mntmn | (the default one) | 19:34 |
| mntmn | ok. so back to the UK layout, lets see | 19:34 |
| ebel | Alas I've got to go for dinner now, so no time. And yous seem to know more about keyboards that me! 🙂 ANSI, ISO, etc. | 19:38 |
| mntmn | ebel: http://dump.mntmn.com/reform2-keyboard-v3-lettering-qwerty-uk-medium.pdf | 19:41 |
| mntmn | ah, i was 3 minutes too late | 19:41 |
| ebel | I suppose, someone can manufacture a different keyboard which people could swap out, right? 🙂 Isnt't that the point. | 19:41 |
| mntmn | ebel: yes, absolutely. i just uploaded the draft of the UK layout. what do you think? | 19:42 |
| ebel | mntmn: that is very close to what I would like. | 19:42 |
| ebel | and what I mean | 19:42 |
| mntmn | (#~ key label is a bit offset, gonna fix) | 19:42 |
| mntmn | ebel: ok cool | 19:43 |
| ebel | A taller Enter key would be nice. # being to the right of ' rather than ] is the only difference | 19:43 |
| mntmn | yeah, that would require a different keycap, so this is something for the future | 19:45 |
| mntmn | currently the keyboard uses only 1.5u and 1u keycaps | 19:45 |
| Jookia | mntmn: how many keys? | 19:54 |
| mntmn | 14*5+12 | 19:56 |
| mntmn | so, 82 | 19:56 |
| Jookia | nice | 20:27 |
| technomancy | 2x+ keycaps were a mistake | 20:28 |
| technomancy | even 1.5x is pushing it IMO =) | 20:28 |
| mntmn | ;) | 21:04 |
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