| ex-parrot | trackball > nub > touchpad | 00:19 |
|---|---|---|
| ex-parrot | it's the law | 00:20 |
| swivel | trackpoint > * | 00:23 |
| + B[] (~Thunderbi@125-239-58-43-fibre.sparkbb.co.nz) | 00:30 | |
| ex-parrot | s/nub/trackpoint/ if you like :P | 00:31 |
| ex-parrot | I do like the trackpoint, but I'd rather trackball | 00:31 |
| ex-parrot | B[]: hello fellow kiwi | 00:31 |
| B[] | hello | 00:38 |
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| - embden (QUIT: Ping timeout: 260 seconds) (~embden@mue-88-130-57-061.dsl.tropolys.de) | 01:28 | |
| swivel | i had a trackball laptop ages ago, the compaq armada 1120, it was OK for an integrated pointing device but the thumb orientation makes it kind of hard to use on the NW<->SE axis from what I remember | 01:28 |
| swivel | whereas the trackpoint on thinkpads has a fairly uniform usability in all directions for the index finger | 01:29 |
| ex-parrot | ah yes, I've used that exact same compaq thumb design before | 01:47 |
| + darth-cheney (~darth-che@2604:2000:8095:3f00:10d7:bd61:2ca1:f4b3) | 01:47 | |
| darth-cheney | mntmn: I'm not knowledgeable enough about some of the low level stuff, but can you explain again how a potential risc-v swap would work down the road? | 01:48 |
| chartreuse | I've got one of the last (consumer) laptops to ship with a trackball. The Dell Latitude XPi CD. It's a fairly nice one, but I think I still prefer the trackpoint. | 01:54 |
| chartreuse | Will have to see how the mnt's compares as it appears to be a much bigger ball than most laptop trackballs were | 01:54 |
| Jookia | darth-cheney: a compatible risc-v SOM would have to be made, then you'd just order than and slot it in | 01:58 |
| darth-cheney | Ok great | 02:04 |
| Jookia | and reinstall linux | 02:06 |
| darth-cheney | Yeah unless we can get the opensmalltalk-vm running as an os | 02:15 |
| mntmn | :) | 02:15 |
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| Jookia | whoa 75% funded | 04:18 |
| Jookia | mntmn: one thing you forgot to mention on crowdsupply is GPIO, unless you removed the 'hack the planet' GPIO- that goes to the imx8 doesn't it? | 04:20 |
| Jookia | you can see the holes on https://www.crowdsupply.com/img/5ead/20200414-reform-motherboard_jpg_project-body.jpg to the right of the heatsink, but you also have a bunch of male headers near the HDMI port. what's up with that? | 04:22 |
| Jookia | ah, it might be the 'hackable expansion port' you mention | 04:26 |
| Jookia | ah, i see the pins on the left are for display | 04:32 |
| Jookia | having that unpopulated might be a barrier for people that can't solder | 04:40 |
| swivel | what, theren's no D-sub geek port connector on the case wired to the GPIO pins? | 04:49 |
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| + embden (~embden@i577BC98A.versanet.de) | 10:22 | |
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| + chomwitt (~chomwitt@2a02:587:dc44:5700:4d53:99b1:9557:7fb4) | 12:03 | |
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| mntmn | Jookia: sorry, the port will be populated. but yes, these things are a bit in flux | 13:56 |
| mntmn | also i would like to have some sort of (optional) uart port on the outside but i don't know which connector to use for that | 13:56 |
| rvense | fg | 14:13 |
| swivel | bg | 14:15 |
| rvense | dc: 'b' (0142) unimplemented | 14:16 |
| rvense | dc: 'g' (0147) unimplemented | 14:16 |
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| + B[] (~Thunderbi@125-239-58-43-fibre.sparkbb.co.nz) | 16:32 | |
| dustyweb | woo woo :) | 16:40 |
| dustyweb | I have 0 doubts that the Reform will be funded by this point | 16:40 |
| dustyweb | I hope you can get significantly over the funding goal too! | 16:40 |
| dustyweb | go Reform! \o/ | 16:40 |
| jboy | awesome :) | 16:41 |
| mntmn | thank you, i hope so :) | 16:42 |
| + erlehmann (~erlehmann@46.114.34.45) | 16:43 | |
| - kaleun (QUIT: Quit: Leaving) (~kaleun@2600:1700:6828:40::4e5) | 19:25 | |
| dustyweb | YES https://twitter.com/mntmn/status/1260245367712555008 | 19:34 |
| dustyweb | A+ | 19:34 |
| dustyweb | I was trying to explain to a friend why I thought the MNT Reform was exciting... "is this just another OLPC or etc?" they asked | 19:35 |
| dustyweb | and this was pretty much exactly what I said | 19:35 |
| mntmn | dustyweb: :) | 19:39 |
| technomancy | dustyweb: I think that's a slight oversimplification given that PCBs tend to only be viable to manufacture at a certain MOQ | 19:41 |
| dustyweb | technomancy: yes-ish... you're right that it's not the case that just anyone can start building boards for this in their basement probably | 19:43 |
| dustyweb | however, having a generalized form factor could change things | 19:43 |
| technomancy | plus there's the software side; I think I've spent more time trying to get my Novena to actually boot than I've spent using the machine. | 19:43 |
| dustyweb | technomancy: completely true that things need to actually run before anything else :) | 19:47 |
| technomancy | on the other hand the pocketchip went bust and then had someone else take over production, so that's an encouraging sign | 19:48 |
| technomancy | (hopefully they get around to shipping soon) | 19:48 |
| mntmn | to get down the price for replacement parts, you can team up with a few other people who need the same PCBs. that's how retrocomputing enthusiasts do it | 19:54 |
| mntmn | for example for those replacement amiga PCBs | 19:54 |
| dustyweb | also why am I not surprised you are here technomancy | 19:56 |
| dustyweb | <3 | 19:57 |
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| sknebel | I just found this tweet while cleaning out old browser tabs: https://twitter.com/mntmn/status/1171925889162055680 :) | 22:41 |
| + erlehmann (~erlehmann@46.114.34.45) | 22:41 | |
| jackhill | I guess like many things it is up to all of us to create a shared knowledge community arount it (to keep newer version of Linux-libre working on it, etc.), but with Reform we should have all the information we need to make it possible. And the design of Reform is nice enough to motivate us that keeping it going is a worthwile project :) | 22:46 |
| jackhill | I'll see it as a great accomplishment when we see a compatible SoM. | 22:48 |
| jackhill | Right now, the SoMs I know about have different pinouts, so aren't really interchangeable. I guess EOMA68 had a similar goal (with a different implementation). | 22:49 |
| mntmn | yes, we need a different SoM, even if it's just a sketch / prototype | 23:07 |
| mntmn | to show that it is possible. | 23:07 |
| swivel | isn't there an open hardware fpga-based c64 that can be packaed into a SoM? :) | 23:09 |
| mntmn | c64 open core situation is not so good afaik | 23:35 |
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