2019-10-09.log

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chomwittwhat your opinion on the pine laptop ?11:19
chomwittit would be interesting to draw a comparison i think.11:20
swiveli wish i could play with a pinebook 11" 1080p model, if I knew the keyboard was decent and build quality reasonable I'd use one for travel/camping11:22
swivelbut i've seen comments on HN saying they had got one and it was poorly made/flimsy plastic11:22
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mntmnchomwitt: it's a very different approach, they're taking some OEM parts (undisclosed origin afaik) and put them together with a lil' rockchip board and a big-ass tablet battery17:32
mntmnalso the design files are not open17:32
mntmnit's more like a "how cheap of a thing can we make in the bandgap of a factory that normally makes stuff for big companies, and not doing any software work (because that's the community's job)"17:33
adjtm_mntmn, pinebook has an allwinner SOC (A64), it's the pinebook pro that has a rockchip (rk3399)17:35
mntmnsorry, i meant the pinebook pro yeah17:35
mntmni played with the pinebook pro in february at this big european open source conference i just forgot the name of17:36
adjtm_I'm more interested in the PinePhone17:36
mntmnyeah that's kind of fun17:39
mntmni wonder if it's possible to clock the i.mx8m < 1ghz17:42
mntmnthat would help with heat i guess17:42
erlehmannor use imx6?17:45
erlehmannACTION ducks and covers17:45
mntmnerlehmann: imx6 is so hot it _needs_ a fan17:46
erlehmanni see17:47
mntmni imagine the librem 5 must have dealt with this in17:48
mntmnbecause i guess you don't want a face-burning phone17:48
mntmnaccording to the dtsi, only the industrial version of the chip can go down to 800mhz, weird17:51
erlehmannindustrial is probably also more heat resistant17:52
mntmnyep17:56
adjtm_mntmn, it's possible to pack a quadcore cortex-a9 in a phone SOC, for example samsung did it at 1.4GHz in their Galaxy SIII smartphones17:56
adjtm_and at 1.6GHz for the Note 217:56
mntmnadjtm_: yes, but that's maybe not NXP's strongest game17:56
adjtm_I agree17:57
adjtm_necunos uses a i.mx6 for their smart-no-phone17:57
mntmnnecunos? do you have a link?17:58
alandipertsorry if this is already documented somewhere, but will the reform have a video-out connector of some kind?17:58
adjtm_mntmn, https://necunos.com/solutions/17:58
adjtm_i.mx6q17:59
mntmnalandipert: HDMI (requires a non-ARM blob during boot, though)18:07
mntmnadjtm_: wow, crazy18:08
mntmnan imx6 phone18:08
adjtm_it doesn't have broadband network18:08
mntmn> We estimate to have the NC_1, truly free and open mobile device ready for shipping in the summer 2019.18:09
adjtm_they sold some prototypes for developers18:09
mntmn> One of our critical partners has backed down from the release of the whole source code to everyone. This puts us in a situation, where our only option is to rewrite this particular part of Board Support Package ourselves to ensure complete transparency and openness18:09
khmisn't that the one where it's just a 5" tablet with some chat apps on it18:09
mntmn> Ethernet: High speed 100Mb/s, physical port18:10
mntmnon a phone? is there a micro ethernet port that i don't know about?18:10
adjtm_it isn't a phone18:10
mntmnoh but... there are only images of phones on the website18:11
adjtm_I don't know about the connector, most probably not an RJ-4518:11
mntmnah so it's like an iPod touch18:11
adjtm_lenovo also uses a flat ethernet connector in their slim thinkpads18:11
adjtm_it requires an adapter18:11
adjtm_for rj-4518:11
adjtm_mntmn, it's sold as a secure mobile device18:12
adjtm_you could make IP voice calls18:12
mntmnok, got it... it's just very confusing at first sight because it looks like a typical smartphone18:13
khmthey used to market it as one when they first announced it.  I'm glad they've fixed the messaging there18:13
mntmnah ok18:14
adjtm_mntmn, I think that the plan was to release a smartphone, then they discovered how insecure putting a broadband chip would be and changed their minds18:15
adjtm_I think that the decision is fair18:15
mntmnah, got it18:15
mntmnadjtm_: btw, do you know anything about this stuff by any chance? https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Linux-4.19-Idle-Injection-Frame18:16
mntmnhttps://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/rafael/linux-pm.git/commit/?h=linux-next&id=88763a5cf80ca59a7c3bea32681ce8f697d9995f18:16
mntmni wonder how i can get this working18:17
adjtm_mntmn, not at all18:23
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mntmni don't understand how linux kernel development works18:43
mntmnso there was this patch series in 2018 (?) https://lore.kernel.org/patchwork/cover/877548/18:43
mntmnwhatever happens to these things? it's not in the kernel git or linux-next18:43
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erlehmann<mntmn> > One of our critical partners has backed down from the release of the whole source code to everyone. This puts us in a situation, where our only option is to rewrite this particular part of Board Support Package ourselves to ensure complete transparency and openness18:56
erlehmannalways make sure this is done from the start18:56
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