| + adfeno (~adfeno@179.77.68.165) | 02:41 | |
| adfeno | Hi, I have some questions: Are there units available? If not, is there a date estimate? Is there a plan to apply for https://ryf.fsf.org/ ? Does it have option to ship with Brazil's QWERTY keyboard and 3-pin power plug? | 02:46 |
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| adfeno | 3 round pins | 02:51 |
| zakx | you cannot order right now | 03:24 |
| zakx | custom keyboards were an option in the beta at least | 03:24 |
| zakx | power plug is rather irrelevant right now as long as you can get an IEC C14 plug with your local plug on the other end as the psu will take those | 03:25 |
| adfeno | Thanks for the information, zakx | 04:23 |
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| + internetronic (~internetr@2607:fb90:522b:b25e:cf1e:5894:390d:5ddf) | 07:21 | |
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| + adfeno (~adfeno@189.40.74.9) | 11:38 | |
| mntmn | adfeno: you can also subscribe here for updates to the crowdfunding campaign https://www.crowdsupply.com/mnt/reform | 12:24 |
| mntmn | currently i have no plans to apply for any kind of certifications | 12:24 |
| adfeno | Thanks for the information mntmn | 12:37 |
| Jookia | mntmn: I'm not sure if the FSF has changed its mind but they previously didn't certify the imx6 because of the vpu | 12:48 |
| Jookia | this is just hearsay from what bunnie has mentioned with the novena, but there's no public ryf discussions | 12:49 |
| Jookia | the EOMA developer hit the same issue but seemed to somehow convince the fsf this was fine by removing the chip in question from the device tree so users couldn't 'accidentally' load nonfree firmware | 12:52 |
| Jookia | but i'm also skeptical of that since the eoma developer hasn't done any fsf certification and says a lot of funny things | 12:52 |
| Jookia | hasn't had any actual fsf certification* | 12:53 |
| Jookia | The issue in question being that it's not enough to have no nonfree firmware, the user must be unable to load nonfree firmware' | 12:53 |
| Jookia | it's all wacky and unclear due to the lack of public fsf documentation on the issue, but if you want i can tomorrow dig up the two times bunnie has commented on this issue and the time eoma guy commented | 12:55 |
| mntmn | sure, that is appreciated | 12:59 |
| mntmn | reform has libre input devices and “system controller” though, and the vpu stuff in imx is optional | 13:00 |
| adfeno | Jookia: from the point of an average user like me, I partially see where FSF's decision comes from, and for me it isn't so wacky, considering that there only needs to be a way to hide that hardware's existence to the kernel entirely, so it doesn't show in lspci, lsusb, etc | 13:07 |
| adfeno | So even though the stuff is physically there; electronically, they aren't. | 13:09 |
| adfeno | s/ is / are / | 13:11 |
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| Jookia | adfeno: hiding things from the kernel doesn't make them electronically disappear, it just means the kernel doesn't know they're there. i don't want to imagine how this can effect things like power management | 22:45 |
| Jookia | lying to the kernel about what hardware you have seems like a bad idea to me | 22:46 |
| Jookia | mntmn: https://www.bunniestudios.com/blog/?p=3657#comment-1400801 | 22:46 |
| Jookia | mntmn: https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68/micro-desktop/updates/fsf-ryf-background | 22:50 |
| Jookia | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXwy65d_tu8#t=19m22s | 22:57 |
| Jookia | mntmn: ^ bunnie comment, eoma ryf note, bunnie comment again in order | 22:58 |
| adfeno | Jookia: thanks for the explanation. I thought that Libre Tea Computer Card employed the technique I described, but I was wrong. And I agree that what I said would have side effects | 23:06 |
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