| + xet7 (~xet7@user/xet7) | 06:30 | |
| + mnemotron (~mnemotron@194.135.47.239) | 08:21 | |
| + CottonUndies (~CottonUnd@2405:6580:33c0:b400:f8a8:966f:42e1:fd9d) | 11:21 | |
| CottonUndies | minute sI figured out that the freezing when scrolling in iBrowse is resolved when I change to the Z3 1.11 NOAUTBOOT NOFASTMEM BIOS. I'd like not to loose the 256megs of ram available. Can I do anything to further track this bug down? | 11:22 |
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| CottonUndies | how can I formally register this bug? | 11:22 |
| mnemotron | howdy. that seems to be the same (?) problem that i have with my A3000 freezing. it's the fastmem in Z3 mode. Haven't tried Z2 mode yet. Did you? | 11:23 |
| minute | CottonUndies: you can send this diagnosis to support@mntre.com | 11:33 |
| minute | CottonUndies: can you run a memory test on the z3 fastram area of zz9000? | 11:34 |
| minute | i think the tool bustest can do it | 11:34 |
| CottonUndies | mnemotron I've only tried the Non-autoboot, no-fast mem bios. I'm not very interested in using the Z2 BIOS on the assumption it will really hit overall performance hard. At the moment I've 64megs available on my WarpEngine, so at least I have that to fall back on. | 11:35 |
| CottonUndies | @minute I can try anything, happy to do so. Before I do I just want to advise that everything else seems to work (copy to the Z3 ram and back, just the scrolling). I'll do a bustest now. BRB (be right back). | 11:36 |
| mnemotron | minute suggested that my problems with the Z3 firmware were caused by the old buster -07 in my amiga 3000. it's recommended to have the newer -10 oder -11 revision, or so. which is assumed to be common knowledge in amiga circles. | 11:37 |
| CottonUndies | Yes, I saw that conversation, I'm pretty sure I have "the" proper buster. I just wish there was a program to tell me that without pulling everything apart.... | 11:44 |
| CottonUndies | @minute Intersting, just tested iBrowse to make sure on the BIOS that I swtiched to that the problem was stil there, and instead of a freeze I got short freeze, then a black screen, then a guru for Error: 8000 000B Task: 000003C8. Will bustest now | 11:50 |
| mnemotron | ah, this is interesting. rev 09 should be enough for DMA. https://www.amibay.com/forum/amibayers/amioracle/10493-super-buster-11-why?p=252973#post252973 | 11:59 |
| mnemotron | hm... "Buster 11 is required for ZORRO III cards to manipulate Multiple DMA Channels correctly" | 12:00 |
| CottonUndies | minute showconfig has my 256megs at $50000000-$5FFFFFFF. Since there is a memory header at $50000000 (as warned in the bustest readme) I ran bustest as "bustest addr=50010000" and while having terrible performace compated to my warpengine memory, sucseffully completed. | 12:02 |
| mnemotron | minute: do you think the -09 buster would work for the ZZ9000? or is the card using multiple dma channels? | 12:07 |
| Jope | multiple here means that if you have several dma cards | 12:08 |
| Jope | more important here is the level 1 vs level 2ness of the buster | 12:08 |
| Jope | -9 and -11 are level 2 busters, of which the 11 works "correctly" | 12:08 |
| mnemotron | the -11 is very expensive / hard to find and i just found a seller for the -09 for 27 euros... would that be enough to get the ZZ9000 fastmem work correctly? | 12:09 |
| Jope | so the level 1 -6 and -7 parts don't do zorro3 dma at all | 12:10 |
| Jope | http://www.wonkity.com/~wblock/a4000hard/defibust.html did you check this writeup from dave haynie | 12:10 |
| mnemotron | no | 12:11 |
| mnemotron | jeez. why is this so difficult? :( | 12:11 |
| Jope | ok, that's where the common knowledge stems from basically | 12:11 |
| Jope | rev 9 in an a3000 without an a3640 might work ok | 12:11 |
| mnemotron | i'm looking at a TF4060 *maybe* | 12:11 |
| mnemotron | would that require the -11 then`? | 12:11 |
| Jope | ok, it might probably also assume a rev 11 present | 12:12 |
| mnemotron | darn | 12:12 |
| mnemotron | since i don't have a 060 the tf4060 is just a possibility atm | 12:12 |
| Jope | jens was doing a buster 12 with dave haynie | 12:12 |
| Jope | but chip shortage sort of ruined that too | 12:12 |
| mnemotron | oh, right, i saw something about that | 12:12 |
| Jope | screemo has buster 11s at 60e | 12:13 |
| mnemotron | https://forum.icomp.de/index.php?thread/1462-new-buster-chip/ | 12:13 |
| mnemotron | screemo? | 12:13 |
| Jope | a danish user | 12:13 |
| mnemotron | ah | 12:13 |
| Jope | I think only reachable via amibay, which has new members on hold.. eh | 12:13 |
| mnemotron | never registered on amibay - strange forum | 12:14 |
| mnemotron | or i think i TRIED registering years ago and never got an email | 12:14 |
| Jope | ah he's on eab too | 12:14 |
| Jope | http://eab.abime.net/member.php?u=62658 | 12:14 |
| mnemotron | thanks | 12:16 |
| Jope | it's painful that everything about getting an old amiga into use involves spend tens to hundreds to thousands | 12:17 |
| Jope | if you want to expand it | 12:17 |
| mnemotron | well, i have the A3000 since 1991 or 1992 :) but only upgrading it now | 12:18 |
| Jope | yeah :-) | 12:18 |
| Jope | dmac/ramsey pairs for the 3k are another kettle of fish | 12:18 |
| Jope | I once owned a dmac04 but sold it with the 3k I installed it into back then.. still regret it, should have downgraded it before selling :-D | 12:19 |
| mnemotron | my DMAC says 390537-02 :-D | 12:25 |
| Jope | yep the -04 is so elusive | 12:30 |
| minute | mnemotron: the card is using no DMA at all. | 12:31 |
| minute | CottonUndies: thanks. i think it's not really related to the Z3 memory then. it might be that this version has slightly different FPGA timing, or that the autoboot stuff interferes somehow (but i don't believe so) | 12:33 |
| minute | CottonUndies: i can make you a firmware file with autoboot disabled and Z3 memory enabled, you can test that | 12:33 |
| mnemotron | minute: that i would like, too! | 12:33 |
| mnemotron | minute: no dma? sorry, then why was the buster -11 better then? I really am puzzled now (or forgot) | 12:34 |
| minute | mnemotron: sorry, i don't really know. hearsay. i don't know the technical differences/details. | 12:34 |
| mnemotron | i meant better for the zz9000. didn't you recommend the -11, too, a few days ago? | 12:36 |
| CottonUndies | minute the default size for bustest is rather small at 262144 bytes. I'm trying it at larger amounts now. | 12:42 |
| Jope | wish there were timing diagrams for all of the different busters | 12:42 |
| CottonUndies | minute the default size for bustest is rather small at 262144 bytes. I'm trying it at larger amounts now. hope it does not crash. | 12:44 |
| minute | mnemotron: i did, but only out of hearsay | 12:44 |
| minute | mnemotron: not based on science | 12:44 |
| CottonUndies | Command line is: bustest addr=50010000 size=20000k | 12:45 |
| Jope | hmmh | 12:45 |
| Jope | wonder if I should buy another zz9000 :-D | 12:46 |
| Jope | for testing like this | 12:46 |
| Jope | I have an l1 and l2 buster | 12:46 |
| minute | Jope: always a good idea | 12:46 |
| Jope | I thought you might like it | 12:46 |
| minute | especially now, as zz9000 production is currently underway | 12:46 |
| Jope | my 3k currently has a cv64 in it | 12:46 |
| minute | ;) | 12:46 |
| Jope | and I'm sort of annoyed by how shit it is in comparison to the zz9k in the 4000 at home | 12:46 |
| minute | (we will need to wait till aug/sep for MYIR to ship us modules though) | 12:47 |
| Jope | 1024x768 with wavy lines | 12:47 |
| CottonUndies | Jope According to Sysspeed the A3060/CV64 kicks my ZZ9000 in some of the graphics tests. I really don't know why as the ZZ9000 was suppoed to be on par with a Picasso V I thought.... Note: I have a CV64, and can test with it if nessersary. | 12:48 |
| Jope | is the a3060/cv64 served by p96 or cgx in that sysspeed test | 12:49 |
| minute | CottonUndies: try this one. i couldn't test it myself yet, though: http://dump.mntmn.com/zz9000-firmware-1_11-noauto.zip | 12:49 |
| Jope | A3o6o/CV64 | 12:51 |
| Jope | CVision: 8Bit 640 x 512 | 12:51 |
| Jope | CONNER CFP4207S 4.28GB1420 | 12:51 |
| Jope | DH1:scsi.device | 12:51 |
| Jope | CVision: 15Bit 640 x 512 | 12:51 |
| Jope | CVision: 24Bit 640 x 512 | 12:51 |
| Jope | looks like CGX | 12:52 |
| Jope | cottonundies, the P96 monitor is called CyberVision. you can't do an apples to apples comparison unfortunately | 12:52 |
| Jope | CGX + os3.1 might well be faster than P96 with the same setup | 12:53 |
| Jope | unfortunately due to ✨amiga drama✨ there will be no further CGX versions for m68k | 12:53 |
| Jope | I preferred it myself back then, it was faster and had draggable screens .-) | 12:54 |
| mnemotron | minute: ok, i got it now. | 12:55 |
| minute | Jope: P96 has draggable screens now, too ;) | 12:56 |
| Jope | yes, finally :-) | 12:56 |
| mnemotron | minute: wouldn't it be good to update the zz9000 shop page? last update was Jan 13. | 12:57 |
| minute | mnemotron: oh, let me see | 12:59 |
| minute | mnemotron: done | 13:04 |
| mnemotron | whoa. people will be screaming :) | 13:05 |
| Jope | eek | 13:06 |
| minute | well, i'm used to that | 13:07 |
| minute | :3 | 13:07 |
| mnemotron | i meant positive screaming :) | 13:07 |
| minute | ah! | 13:07 |
| minute | well that's good then | 13:07 |
| mnemotron | "OMG, it's updated!!" :) | 13:07 |
| minute | we tried to make the batch bigger so that we will have some stock for the first time, maybe | 13:07 |
| Jope | I couldn't probably handle selling stuff to people in the 2020s | 13:07 |
| minute | we never managed to have stock because we always sold more than expected | 13:07 |
| minute | (and chip crisis etc pp) | 13:08 |
| Jope | such passionate | 13:09 |
| minute | much | 13:09 |
| minute | many amigaaa | 13:09 |
| mnemotron | may i asked how many zz9000 were sold over all? :) | 13:14 |
| mnemotron | -ed | 13:14 |
| - CottonUndies (QUIT: Quit: Client closed) (~CottonUnd@2405:6580:33c0:b400:f8a8:966f:42e1:fd9d) | 13:20 | |
| minute | mnemotron: approaching 1000 units | 13:28 |
| minute | don't have exact count r/n | 13:28 |
| mnemotron | wow | 13:28 |
| mnemotron | pretty awesome | 13:28 |
| minute | yeah it got much bigger than i ever expected | 13:28 |
| minute | in the beginning i didn't want to do it because i expected it to be a lot of stress | 13:29 |
| minute | but greta pushed me to do it lol | 13:29 |
| mnemotron | well, it IS a lot of stress, i guess ;) | 13:29 |
| mnemotron | i'm still getting the freezes in the noautoboot firmware from above, but i wasn't expecting that to change | 13:56 |
| minute | aha. my bet is still on the IRQ stuff tbh | 13:58 |
| Chain-Q | isn't it possible, that just the IRQ ack doesn't get written to the card, because of some caching issue? (is it a 030? does mmulib suck? :P) | 14:05 |
| mnemotron | yes, i have a stock 3000d with 68030 (and installed mmulib) | 14:05 |
| minute | Chain-Q: interesting theory | 14:05 |
| Chain-Q | there you go. | 14:05 |
| minute | Chain-Q: tbh quite realistic | 14:06 |
| Chain-Q | stick an exec.library/CacheClearE(&ackreg,sizeof(ackreg),CACRF_ClearD) where the interrupt is ACK'd, maybe. | 14:08 |
| Chain-Q | (pseudocode :P ) | 14:08 |
| Chain-Q | and that should take care of it | 14:08 |
| Chain-Q | btw, the P96 DDK has some example code for '030 special handling, that does cacheflush too, the details may be documented there | 14:10 |
| Chain-Q | although that might be only for reading... ? | 14:11 |
| minute | Chain-Q: nice! | 14:11 |
| Chain-Q | I can't remember | 14:11 |
| mnemotron | who? what? where? do i need to do this or minute? :) | 14:13 |
| Chain-Q | CacheClearE is v37+ (2.0something?) But I doubt this is a problem. | 14:13 |
| Chain-Q | mnemotron: it's a driver change. you can do it too, because it's open source :P but probably minute (or someone with knowledge of the driver internals) | 14:13 |
| mnemotron | phew, heartbeat is slightly accelarating when the 3.5 year old is leaving the room with the 3000 euro macbook pro in his hands... :O | 14:14 |
| minute | i'm quickly hacking it in, but i need to know which header has CACRF_ClearD | 14:14 |
| minute | lol: | 14:14 |
| mnemotron | Chain-Q: ok, i'm not having a devchain installed, anyway. and which driver!? :) | 14:14 |
| minute | mntmn@mntmn-i9:~/code/amiga-gcc$ rgrep CACRF_ClearD | 14:14 |
| minute | build/ahi/m68k-amigaos-ahi/Developer/Drivers/EMU10kx/emu10kx-interrupt.c: CacheClearE( first, (ULONG) last - (ULONG) first, CACRF_ClearD ); | 14:14 |
| Chain-Q | execbase.h? | 14:14 |
| minute | so even some ahi drivers do that | 14:14 |
| minute | Chain-Q: yep, thx | 14:15 |
| Chain-Q | mnemotron: all of it ;) | 14:15 |
| mnemotron | minute: so that is already in there? | 14:15 |
| minute | mnemotron: no, not yet | 14:15 |
| mnemotron | aaaah, AHI / emu10kx. got it | 14:16 |
| + CottonUndies (~CottonUnd@2405:6580:33c0:b400:f8a8:966f:42e1:fd9d) | 14:16 | |
| mnemotron | sir underpants returns ;) | 14:16 |
| Chain-Q | minute: such approach (doing a reg write macro with cacheflush) would probably fix a lot of the '030 and "MMUlib enabling caching for no reason" issues. but it's a definite performance hit as well. | 14:16 |
| mnemotron | Chain-Q: a slight perf hit would be okay for me then it fixes the constant freezes | 14:17 |
| Jope | would it be better to have mmulib disable caching to the zz9000.. | 14:17 |
| minute | mnemotron: completely untested http://dump.mntmn.com/ZZ9000Net.device.cclear | 14:18 |
| minute | mnemotron: (rename to ZZ9000Net.device) | 14:18 |
| mnemotron | thanks, that will take a minute | 14:18 |
| mnemotron | heh, minute | 14:19 |
| CottonUndies | minute will give that firmware a try. Just FYI for over an hour I've been running "bustest addr=50010000 size=200000k, and FINALLY it passed the first test of readw. I'm giving up on it now I have no idea how much longer readl might take.... I'll try lower sizes with your firmware | 14:19 |
| minute | mnemotron: in case you're using ZZ9000AX/AHI, you will have to disable that for testing because it might also be in there | 14:19 |
| mnemotron | minute: no AX here | 14:19 |
| mnemotron | waiting for next rev ;-) | 14:19 |
| CottonUndies | @Jope Interesting. I also for some reason have almost 50% of the chipmem test in the MEMORY subsection in comparison. I also have a A3000, suprised I'm so much lower. I understand this has nothing to do with the ZZ..... | 14:20 |
| Jope | CottonUndies, which cpu is your a3000 running | 14:21 |
| CottonUndies | I have a LC060 on an adpater on my WarpEngine clocked at 80mhz. I am using in my SS newCMQ. | 14:22 |
| Jope | re: mmulib no cache, envarc:MMU-Configuration is the file and the contents are SetCacheMode from 0xstart size 0xsize cacheinhibit | 14:22 |
| Jope | start and size you can see with showconfig or whatevr | 14:22 |
| mnemotron | is it okay to have the 3.2.1 "LoadModule DOWNGRADE" command in startup-sequence? | 14:22 |
| Jope | if you don't move the cards around in the system, they should configure to the same place | 14:22 |
| Jope | mnemotron, it is | 14:22 |
| Jope | I guess potentially it would be enough to only set 0xsize to the zz9000 register size | 14:23 |
| mnemotron | after that i have SetPatch and i just disabled MuFastROM | 14:23 |
| mnemotron | to be safe | 14:23 |
| CottonUndies | Jope Hahah, I no longer know if your talking to me or someone else RE:envarc MMU-Configuration | 14:26 |
| Jope | it was directed towards mnemo | 14:26 |
| mnemotron | oh, i didn't catch that, either :D | 14:26 |
| CottonUndies | haha, excellent | 14:26 |
| Jope | apparently the mmu-configuration file needs a newline at the end, so ced users beware | 14:27 |
| Jope | (at least Thor's documentation mentions to push return) | 14:27 |
| mnemotron | minute: that new net.device would only help with problems when ethernet is in use? but i have freezes also when not using actively using zz-ethernet | 14:27 |
| Jope | can't remember if ed did implied newlines or not :-) | 14:27 |
| minute | mnemotron: by not actively, is the driver loaded or not | 14:27 |
| minute | mnemotron: do you use roadshow? | 14:28 |
| mnemotron | no, miamidx | 14:28 |
| CottonUndies | Since we are all here today it seems I wanted to ask/propose: IRC is very transient, and I have a lot of questions regarding performance tweaks and expectations, and IRC doesn't have any "memory" per say. So I'd like to hear from the group, which place is best to have an ongoing conversation, MNT Community, EAB, Amiga.org, somehwere else? It drive | 14:28 |
| CottonUndies | me crazy to revisit topics time and time again. | 14:28 |
| minute | mnemotron: and miamidx is not auto started? | 14:28 |
| mnemotron | minute: not loaded. i only start miami / tcp manually when i need it | 14:28 |
| minute | CottonUndies: MNT Community is the only other place that i check, but YMMV | 14:28 |
| CottonUndies | That comment is very valuable!!! | 14:29 |
| minute | mnemotron: ok, doh, then this is not the problem :| | 14:29 |
| CottonUndies | I wonder if the other usual suspects also monitor that site much. | 14:29 |
| CottonUndies | gdonner and such. | 14:29 |
| Jope | I only monitor irc and eab :-D | 14:29 |
| CottonUndies | ahhhh, our first deviant! | 14:29 |
| Jope | and even irc is very hit and miss | 14:30 |
| mnemotron | minute: :( | 14:30 |
| Jope | sometimes I forget to attach my screen for days | 14:30 |
| mnemotron | i'm on irc, eab, facebook, discord ;) | 14:30 |
| mnemotron | and a1k | 14:30 |
| minute | i'm also on a1k sometimes | 14:30 |
| Jope | wish I knew more german so I'd have a better time on a1k | 14:30 |
| Jope | end up skimming and understanding 50% :-D | 14:31 |
| Jope | and no replies from me almost ever :-) | 14:31 |
| mnemotron | ARGH! Software Failure on DIR in the amigashell | 14:31 |
| mnemotron | #80000003 | 14:31 |
| CottonUndies | mnemotron where are your getting your TCK from? | 14:34 |
| mnemotron | my what? | 14:34 |
| CottonUndies | Tick | 14:35 |
| mnemotron | i never changed anything on the board | 14:35 |
| mnemotron | to my knowledge | 14:35 |
| CottonUndies | 4000 or 3000? | 14:35 |
| mnemotron | 3000/25D, no accel board and only the ZZ9000 otherwise | 14:36 |
| mnemotron | and a scsi2sd 6 | 14:36 |
| CottonUndies | aftermarket powersupply, or stock? | 14:36 |
| mnemotron | stock | 14:36 |
| mnemotron | zz9000 at 58.7°C now | 14:37 |
| mnemotron | case is open | 14:37 |
| CottonUndies | cant hurt to try changing J350 | 14:38 |
| mnemotron | that is probably below the floppy bay, right? | 14:38 |
| CottonUndies | minute new bios gives same freeze result in iBrowse. Only the fully noauto anything BIOS seems not to freeze. | 14:38 |
| CottonUndies | just below the CIA just below the floppy header when looking at the motherboard from the front of the case. | 14:40 |
| mnemotron | quick search says default for J350 is 1-2 | 14:41 |
| CottonUndies | Could be, but no harm trying the other considering the endless trouble you've already had. | 14:41 |
| mnemotron | ah, found the jumper on a photo | 14:43 |
| mnemotron | i guess i will try that next week. i need to remove the complete board anyway to let a friend solder a CR2032 battery holder to it | 14:43 |
| CottonUndies | opening a 3000 is a very painful experience. I feel for you. | 14:44 |
| mnemotron | it IS open, but i would need to remove the floppy assembly, which is the WORST part | 14:45 |
| CottonUndies | At the end of the day I think your old buster is probably your problem. | 14:45 |
| mnemotron | maybe. i shot scroom a message on eab. let's see what he wants for an -11 | 14:46 |
| CottonUndies | minute what drives me mad with my system is that it really shouldn't be differently performing from yours. We both have a 3000 with a WarpEngine, and i think no other Zorro cards? | 14:52 |
| mnemotron | Oh, answer from scroom already. he has a -09, but needs to check if he has an -11 | 14:53 |
| mnemotron | i mean screemo | 14:53 |
| CottonUndies | minute just to proove to myself I wasn't messing things up I went back to the noauto everything BIOS, and no freezes, as expected. | 14:54 |
| Jope | mnemotron, in the meanwhile I guess you could give the mmulib nocache idea a try? | 14:56 |
| Jope | it's just a shot in the dark | 14:56 |
| Jope | but who knows | 14:56 |
| mnemotron | Jope: yes, i'm just clicking around on the amiga right now with the new zz9000net.device | 14:56 |
| Jope | ok | 14:56 |
| mnemotron | ah, freeze in AmiFTP | 14:57 |
| mnemotron | *bzzzt* | 14:57 |
| CottonUndies | Can you try the roadshow demo? | 14:57 |
| Jope | hehe | 14:58 |
| Jope | one thing at a time :-D | 14:58 |
| CottonUndies | true, true | 14:58 |
| Jope | super messy wb install if there's three tcp/ip stacks on there | 14:58 |
| CottonUndies | I'm going for a walk. back in an hour. | 14:59 |
| - CottonUndies (QUIT: Quit: Client closed) (~CottonUnd@2405:6580:33c0:b400:f8a8:966f:42e1:fd9d) | 14:59 | |
| mnemotron | i don't think my freezes are related to ethernet | 15:05 |
| mnemotron | just copied sample mmu-configuration from mmulib archive | 15:05 |
| mnemotron | For 28014 5 SetCacheMode {base} {size} CacheInhibit | 15:07 |
| mnemotron | should recognize the 256 megs | 15:07 |
| mnemotron | crap. using "type" Program failed (error #80000003)" | 15:10 |
| mnemotron | how can i see that mmulib is actually prohibiting the caching? | 15:11 |
| Jope | muscan | 15:13 |
| mnemotron | that checks out ok | 15:18 |
| mnemotron | https://i.imgur.com/2hdIDQ5.jpg | 15:19 |
| mnemotron | card is at $50000000 | 15:19 |
| mnemotron | hm, new mmulib from 2022-05-30 | 15:21 |
| mnemotron | lemme update | 15:21 |
| mnemotron | hotplugging usb would be nice :P | 15:21 |
| mnemotron | the mmulib installer is a bit crap :-/ | 15:35 |
| apolkosnik[m] | A new version of P96 is out, it finally creates a version file | 15:37 |
| apolkosnik[m] | so mere mortals can tell what version is installed | 15:38 |
| mnemotron | oh. i wonder if i can still download. my purchase was now over a year ago | 15:41 |
| mnemotron | yup. page says "expired" | 15:42 |
| mnemotron | how can that shop page beeee soooo slooooow? | 15:43 |
| mnemotron | apolkosnik[m]: wait, v3.3.0 is still current, or not? i already have that | 15:43 |
| apolkosnik[m] | Minor update to P96 (v3.3.1): https://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p=1549028&postcount=434 | 15:45 |
| mnemotron | yeah, 3.3.1 - just found it at a1k | 15:45 |
| mnemotron | thanks | 15:45 |
| Jope | jens is trying to find a new shop engine :-D | 15:47 |
| Jope | apparently the one there is is just total crap | 15:47 |
| Jope | the db schema is pants or something so it's dog slow and difficult to add indexes | 15:48 |
| pasik | is he running it on an amiga? :) | 15:49 |
| Jope | no iea | 15:49 |
| Jope | something led me to believe that the entire order history since forever is there in the db | 15:49 |
| Jope | nevertheless it's a bit surprising that it can be so unperformant on 2022 hardware | 15:49 |
| mnemotron | well, queries and indexes run hand in hand. if one is crap, the other can't help | 15:50 |
| Jope | yes | 15:50 |
| Jope | who knows, could be that the shop engine does select * from every time and then sorts it out in code.. | 15:50 |
| mnemotron | oh, the horror | 15:51 |
| minute | you can put memcached between db+shop (i guess it's php), that's how we did it in the early 2000s | 15:54 |
| Jope | yeps.. | 15:54 |
| minute | (nowadays i'm just using sqlite) | 15:54 |
| Jope | the weird thing about sqlite is that it is actually sufficient for many things these days | 15:55 |
| minute | because then the OS will just take care of caching that little file ^^ | 15:55 |
| Jope | what happened.. | 15:55 |
| minute | yes, because computers got faster and have more memory | 15:55 |
| Jope | yes | 15:55 |
| minute | and webdev people don't understand these things | 15:55 |
| minute | often | 15:55 |
| Jope | everything is funnily fast these days | 15:55 |
| Jope | then you switch on the amiga.. | 15:55 |
| minute | i had some problems with sqlite contention in the shop (which is based on rails) but fixed it with some config tweaks and WAL mode in sqlite | 15:56 |
| minute | i.e. lock contention | 15:57 |
| minute | the day when AX was released... | 15:57 |
| + CottonUndies (~CottonUnd@2405:6580:33c0:b400:f8a8:966f:42e1:fd9d) | 16:09 | |
| trixster | https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/p4fst9YS/IMG_3364.PNG | 16:11 |
| trixster | Catching up on chat! @Jope I got lucky with this, bought on eBay of all places! | 16:11 |
| CottonUndies | Can anyone be so kind to remind me how to drag the screen on the ZZ? | 16:14 |
| Jope | wowser | 16:14 |
| CottonUndies | Jope Do you have Syspeed results for your ZZ available? | 16:14 |
| Jope | CottonUndies, open several same depth, then drag | 16:14 |
| CottonUndies | Specifically the Graphics and Intuition? | 16:14 |
| CottonUndies | Jope Hmmm. Let me try again. | 16:15 |
| Jope | have a screen that mirrors the wb size and depth for example | 16:15 |
| Jope | that should definitely be draggable | 16:15 |
| CottonUndies | I thought my iBrowse was, so thats why I'm going to check again. | 16:15 |
| CottonUndies | Jope Thanks, got dragging working, iBrowse was a different color depth than WB. | 16:21 |
| minute | there is a proposal/API support for mixed depth dragging, but we did not implement it (yet) | 16:24 |
| CottonUndies | Regarding the current dragging, I notice my WB colors go a little off when I do it. I had thought a recent ZZ software or P96 recitified that dual pallette offset or whatever its called? | 16:26 |
| CottonUndies | wait, now the problem is fixed... *sigh* | 16:27 |
| CottonUndies | Ok, now a real question. When running Syspeed - Graphics a lot of tests draw thick color bars that go vertical or horizontal on the screen. In 256 color this is fine, but as the bit depth does higher and higher I get pixel "tearing" on the bars, the worse is when its True Color. Is this expected behavior? | 16:29 |
| minute | normal | 16:32 |
| minute | i think what you see is cache flushing | 16:32 |
| CottonUndies | Ok, thanks for confirming. While not a great picture, here is a screengrab of it happening. | 16:37 |
| CottonUndies | https://imgur.com/v8am0AO | 16:37 |
| minute | yeah cache | 16:58 |
| CottonUndies | Interesting, I can also get DOpus5 to crash as well, with the same guru Error: 8000 000B Task: 000003C8 | 17:02 |
| - CottonUndies (QUIT: Quit: Client closed) (~CottonUnd@2405:6580:33c0:b400:f8a8:966f:42e1:fd9d) | 17:31 | |
| + gdonner (gdonner@c-98-253-93-116.hsd1.in.comcast.net) | 17:47 | |
| gdonner | trixster: [re: Rev 4 SuperDMAC] 8-O How on earth did you even find one of these? Dare I ask how much it sold for? | 17:49 |
| gdonner | I wish someone in the Amiga community would reverse engineer it and create more--I think we're going to have to at some point | 17:49 |
| gdonner | On my A3000, both my Ramsey and Super DMAC are socketed, so would be ridiculously easy to replace | 17:50 |
| gdonner | Are those types of chips even made anymore though (i.e. the "blank" versions?) | 17:53 |
| gdonner | CottonUndies: I usually just check this IRC and two of the ZZ9000 A1K threads (general ZZ9000 and the new ZZ9000AX) | 17:55 |
| gdonner | Wish I knew why some of A1K's threads are publicly accessible without a login and others aren't | 17:56 |
| gdonner | go figure | 17:57 |
| gdonner | But back to chips: seems like Analogic Computers in the UK is the last source for most of these chips, including the rev. 11 Super Buster | 18:00 |
| gdonner | IMO, if Dave Haynie wants something to do while waiting for FPGAs to be available, he'd be the best guy to reverse engineer these chips... | 18:01 |
| - xet7 (QUIT: Remote host closed the connection) (~xet7@user/xet7) | 18:04 | |
| - gdonner (QUIT: ) (gdonner@c-98-253-93-116.hsd1.in.comcast.net) | 18:16 | |
| mnemotron | gdonner: yeah, i saw the analogic offer on ebay. THEY. ARE. IN. SANE. | 20:38 |
| + xet7 (~xet7@user/xet7) | 21:24 | |
| + gdonner (~gdonner@c-98-253-93-116.hsd1.in.comcast.net) | 21:43 | |
| gdonner | mnemotron: Yeah, I'm glad I bought two of the Super Buster 11 chips back in 2018 when I was upgrading my A3000 and A4000. IIRC, prices then were still $70-80 U.S. per chip. But it's worth it for the best available bug fixes and performance. | 21:45 |
| mnemotron | oh, wow. The guy on EAB offers me a rev 9 buster he has for shipping. And he'll look for the 11 on the weekend. | 21:47 |
| mnemotron | :-O | 21:47 |
| mnemotron | the 9 would still be an improvement, i guess | 21:48 |
| gdonner | Better than nothing, especially as you wait for a v11 | 21:48 |
| gdonner | There's still a significant market for these chips, especially the newer Ramsey and Super DMACs | 21:48 |
| gdonner | someone who puts the work in should be able to profit nicely, I'd think | 21:48 |
| mnemotron | is a newer ramsey or dmac required for the v11 buster? | 21:49 |
| gdonner | no | 21:49 |
| mnemotron | phew, good | 21:49 |
| gdonner | it's the version combo that matters; I forget exactly what it is, but mine is the "ok" one (A3000) | 21:49 |
| mnemotron | it's SO complicated | 21:50 |
| gdonner | I have an -02 Ramsey and the -02 Super DMAC | 21:50 |
| gdonner | My Super Buster in my A3000 used to be an -07 | 21:51 |
| gdonner | yeah, it is, even when you read up on it, it can still be | 21:51 |
| mnemotron | -02 dmac and -04 ramsey i my 3000, according to a photo i took | 21:51 |
| gdonner | 'scuse me: -04 Ramsey | 21:52 |
| gdonner | yeah, same as I have | 21:52 |
| mnemotron | so i have the same | 21:52 |
| gdonner | it should run well with a super buster 11, or better with the 9 | 21:52 |
| mnemotron | good to know | 21:52 |
| gdonner | both are socketed in your A3000, I take it? | 21:53 |
| mnemotron | all are socketed except 68030 and 68882 | 21:53 |
| gdonner | same here | 21:53 |
| gdonner | have you replaced the SCSI chip in your A3000? | 21:54 |
| mnemotron | nope | 21:55 |
| gdonner | would be worth doing if it's an older chip | 21:55 |
| gdonner | they're pretty cheap and easy to replace | 21:55 |
| gdonner | it fixes a bunch of issues with SCSI operation | 21:55 |
| mnemotron | i only have the scsi2sd v6 connected | 21:56 |
| mnemotron | still recommended? | 21:56 |
| mnemotron | here's a pic of my board: https://i.imgur.com/jojGr42.jpg | 21:56 |
| gdonner | yes, I would definitely recommend it | 21:56 |
| gdonner | only $15 if you're in the U.S.: https://www.ebay.com/itm/255538770442?hash=item3b7f4c320a:g:sRMAAOSwRIRigoGJ | 21:58 |
| mnemotron | i'm in germany | 21:58 |
| gdonner | I also use the SCSI2SD v6 | 21:58 |
| gdonner | ah ok | 21:58 |
| mnemotron | the WD is under the ribbon cable, right? below the scsi connector | 21:58 |
| mnemotron | oh, no, it's on the right on the photo | 21:58 |
| mnemotron | WD33C93A or something | 21:59 |
| gdonner | yes; it's on the other side of the super dmac chip | 21:59 |
| mnemotron | mine is rev -04 | 21:59 |
| gdonner | it's a good, solid upgrade that should improve SCSI reliability | 21:59 |
| mnemotron | it's even socketed. lemme look on our ebay | 22:00 |
| gdonner | yeah, I'd think someone in Germany should be selling them on eBay there | 22:00 |
| gdonner | it's an easy to get chip | 22:00 |
| gdonner | either Western Digital or AMD will work fine | 22:00 |
| mnemotron | heh. 5.12 eur from china | 22:01 |
| gdonner | lol don't bother with that one | 22:03 |
| mnemotron | sold 126, allegedly | 22:03 |
| gdonner | I always try to buy from local (non-China) 100% positive feedback sellers | 22:03 |
| mnemotron | https://www.ebay.com/itm/172752222583 | 22:03 |
| mnemotron | very good rating | 22:04 |
| mnemotron | haha, 1 for 5.12 or 5 for 17.32. i could resell them | 22:05 |
| mnemotron | bought 1 | 22:07 |
| gdonner | the "proto" sounds a bit odd, but should still be an improvement, I'd think(?) | 22:13 |
| mnemotron | i think all of them have that | 22:14 |
| mnemotron | is there a tool on the amiga that can determine the version of the chip? | 22:15 |
| gdonner | there is for Ramsey, your CPU/FPU of course, and I think that's it..? | 22:15 |
| gdonner | the Rasmey one is: " | 22:16 |
| gdonner | RamseyConfig 1.2 © SpeedGeek 2018" | 22:16 |
| gdonner | looks like it's due for an update--it crashes A4000s 8-O | 22:27 |
| gdonner | http://eab.abime.net/showpost.php?p=1549031&postcount=11 | 22:27 |
| mnemotron | not a problem for me ;) | 22:28 |
| gdonner | yeah :) | 22:28 |
| - mnemotron (QUIT: Quit: Quit) (~mnemotron@194.135.47.239) | 22:47 | |
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