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| + mnemotron (mnemotron@194.135.47.239) | 08:20 | |
| mnemotron | trixster: thanks for your input. i actually have no idea what type of ram i installed in the 3000. did that in 1991 or 92 and never looked at it again. | 08:25 |
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| mnemotron | _Bnu: the Z3660 won't fit in my 3000 :P | 08:25 |
| mnemotron | nice. Matthias' card is now working with 040, too. https://www.a1k.org/forum/index.php?threads/73349/page-37#post-1597521 | 08:28 |
| mnemotron | not stable yet | 08:28 |
| mnemotron | someone fixed paula audio hum with a new shielded cable in their 2000. https://www.a1k.org/forum/index.php?threads/66615/page-149#post-1597595 | 08:32 |
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| _Bnu | mnemotron: Version 0.1, maybe not. But 0.2 has the ZYNQ module oriented with the SD card slot facing the "right". | 09:28 |
| mnemotron | Buuuut it says it's for the A4000 | 09:29 |
| mnemotron | Would it work automatically in an A3000? | 09:29 |
| _Bnu | Was there ever an A4000-specific CPU board? | 09:42 |
| _Bnu | It's the exact same connector, the only limitation I can think of would be onboard ROMs not being compatible with the A3000. | 09:42 |
| norly | mnemotron: thanks for the audio hum link, i'll have to try that sometime | 10:03 |
| shanshe_ | Hi, it should work, but probably doesn't fit in the available space (with Z-turn is too tall) | 10:20 |
| shanshe_ | I mean, it should work in A3000 | 10:20 |
| shanshe_ | _Bnu: in v0.2, Z-turn is moved a bit to the right, but the orientation is the same than v0.1 (you will have more space to insert the SD, and you don't need that tweezers hehehe) | 10:23 |
| _Bnu | Oh, it's the vertical space that makes it not fit in an A3000? I'm not familiar with the A3000 at all. | 10:31 |
| _Bnu | Will just have to solder it to the motherboard... | 10:31 |
| mnemotron | shanshe_: oh! you're the creator of the board! coolio! :D | 10:59 |
| mnemotron | just took a photo, there's like 3 cm of headspace above the connector itself in the 3000. https://i.imgur.com/MlrEh2i.jpg | 11:03 |
| mnemotron | (the 3000 is open anyway right now) | 11:03 |
| _Bnu | Sounds to me like the A3000 just needs a case that can fit anything at all... | 11:04 |
| mnemotron | NOOOOOOOOO! The A3000D is the most beautiful Amiga! | 11:04 |
| mnemotron | we can't change that :) | 11:04 |
| + CottonUndies (~CottonUnd@2405:6580:33c0:b400:980e:37fe:c451:7eff) | 11:04 | |
| CottonUndies | Is there any default P96 variable/env setting that current ZZ software should have set? | 11:13 |
| CottonUndies | For accelerators in the 3000, at some point you just need to cut..... https://imgur.com/o3XpEko | 11:23 |
| CottonUndies | Warp Engine, with 060 adapter, with 060 and heatsink and fan | 11:24 |
| mnemotron | :-O | 11:54 |
| _Bnu | I was once told that a 68060 doesn't need a heatsink or fan. | 12:04 |
| _Bnu | My reply was "Sure. If you never use it I guess it doesn't need that." | 12:04 |
| mnemotron | but there must be some other solution | 12:11 |
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| _Bnu | Well, maybe, but no CPU cards that actually have 32-bit Local Fast as far as I know. | 12:41 |
| _Bnu | As in, you could get an 030 CPU card from an A4000, but it would have no Fast RAM on it. | 12:41 |
| _Bnu | So you'd have the same performance deficiency as before. | 12:42 |
| mnemotron | at least the cpu would be faster if it was 040 oder 060 | 13:02 |
| _Bnu | Sure, but you would definitely be stuck at 25MHz unless you bring some cooling either way. | 13:31 |
| mnemotron | Liquid cooling ftw | 13:47 |
| _Bnu | But any liquid cooler is likely to be taller than a simple HSF. | 13:48 |
| mnemotron | Don't bore me with facts ;) | 13:48 |
| mnemotron | I wonder what Matze's card would need | 13:48 |
| mnemotron | ah, it also needs heatsink and fan. of course. | 13:51 |
| mnemotron | https://www.a1k.org/forum/index.php?attachments/215574/ | 13:51 |
| _Bnu | Sorry, I can't view the hyper secret sections of A1k because I'm not German... | 14:11 |
| _Bnu | But yes, that's why I said that you would likely get an 030 board or an 040/25 board at best with no cooler. | 14:12 |
| mnemotron | oh, i thought it's open. i hate forums that only allow access to attachments after registration | 14:35 |
| mnemotron | here. https://imgur.com/pYMIkKg | 14:36 |
| _Bnu | I think most of the forums on A1k are hidden unless you're registered and something something. | 15:03 |
| _Bnu | CPU on the bottom of the board? Huh. | 15:03 |
| mnemotron | Yes, I guess you need to be logged into the forum | 15:18 |
| mnemotron | I think that's an old picture, he routed the connector wrong :D | 15:20 |
| mnemotron | This one is new. Without heatsink though. https://i.imgur.com/CElEHFy.png | 15:21 |
| mnemotron | and with the 040, not 060 | 15:21 |
| mnemotron | he called it BFG 9060 :) https://i.imgur.com/JP3xwyo.png | 15:22 |
| + gdonner (gdonner@c-98-253-93-116.hsd1.in.comcast.net) | 15:58 | |
| gdonner | Re: A1K forums locked -- Yeah, some are, some aren't; the A1K ZZ9000AX discussion isn't, thankfully (https://www.a1k.org/forum/index.php?threads/83561/page-11) | 15:59 |
| gdonner | But Matze's stuff is for some reason | 16:00 |
| gdonner | Just curious--does Matze have SCSI working on his board? | 16:00 |
| gdonner | @shanshe_: Nice to hear of v0.2 and the A3000 fix | 16:02 |
| shanshe_ | Thanks, but A3000 is still not even tried!!! It should work (as an A3660 works on A3000), but I can't asure it... | 16:03 |
| gdonner | I have an A3000 :) | 16:04 |
| gdonner | (said Greg deviously) ;) | 16:04 |
| shanshe_ | Then you are a good candidate to try it!! :) | 16:04 |
| gdonner | Greg smiles broadly :) | 16:04 |
| gdonner | I'd be happy to :) | 16:05 |
| gdonner | It's one of the early 16 MHz models | 16:05 |
| gdonner | don't know if that would throw a wrench into the equation? | 16:05 |
| shanshe_ | I don't know... but if we don't try it, we'll never know... hehehe | 16:07 |
| shanshe_ | If in that system works an A3660, then probably a Z3660 should also work... | 16:07 |
| gdonner | I didn't realize until recently that the A3000 lacks the INT2 line | 16:08 |
| shanshe_ | For the point of view of Amiga motherboard, A3660 and Z3660 are the same... and they don't use INT2 line... | 16:09 |
| gdonner | Yeah, I guess it's just the GVP T-Rex II that's fussy about that | 16:10 |
| gdonner | I'd be happy to try the Z3660; pay for all associated costs, etc. | 16:10 |
| gdonner | Just let me know | 16:10 |
| shanshe_ | ok | 16:10 |
| shanshe_ | do you have any 060 CPU? | 16:11 |
| gdonner | I have two rev. 6 CPUs waiting :) | 16:11 |
| shanshe_ | ahhhhhhh | 16:11 |
| gdonner | and I know where to get more :) | 16:11 |
| shanshe_ | hummm... I'm also where to get them, but at 400 euros !!!! | 16:12 |
| shanshe_ | also know | 16:12 |
| gdonner | it's about $350 US | 16:12 |
| gdonner | https://www.ebay.com/itm/363200270750 | 16:13 |
| shanshe_ | yeah! but if you include customs... -> 400 euros in Spain... I know it because I bought one recently (and it will be the last one) | 16:13 |
| gdonner | Ah, yes--I see what you mean | 16:14 |
| gdonner | customs is a pain :( | 16:14 |
| shanshe_ | the price of 060s makes cheap a cyberstorm at 1000 euros!!! hahahaha | 16:15 |
| gdonner | Yeah, but put them in a TF4060, and the price is better :) | 16:15 |
| gdonner | should be soon, hopefully on the TF4060 | 16:15 |
| gdonner | maybe even this year | 16:16 |
| shanshe_ | yeah... if the chip-apocalipsys is finished with FPGAs and CPLDs... They are the bottleneck now... | 16:17 |
| gdonner | Yeah, last I heard, it was about a month lead time for one of the chips that the TF4060 uses; not too bad, considering | 16:19 |
| gdonner | But would be great if the Artix FPGAs were plentiful again | 16:19 |
| shanshe_ | Oh yes, absolutely not bad!!! | 16:19 |
| gdonner | Stephen uses a different brand of FPGA, which apparently makes them easier to get | 16:20 |
| mnemotron | I also can try the Z3660 in my A3000. it just needs to come with an '060 ;-) | 16:21 |
| mnemotron | gdonner: i saw you linking that ebay seller on exxos. you bought there several times and all 060 are okay? | 16:21 |
| gdonner | a worthy investment, those rev. 6 060s :) | 16:21 |
| gdonner | I think of them as fast crash-prevention Amiga chips ;) | 16:21 |
| shanshe_ | yeah I also bought one 060 recently to that seller on ebay | 16:22 |
| mnemotron | holy crap. normal shipping is $7, but expedited shipping is $45 :-O | 16:22 |
| gdonner | he's a legit seller according to several people on the CS-Lab Warp forums | 16:22 |
| mnemotron | shanshe_: you got one there? cool | 16:22 |
| mnemotron | phew, $350 | 16:23 |
| gdonner | I bought two from him; haven't been able to verify the chips yet though | 16:23 |
| gdonner | but they should be fine | 16:23 |
| mnemotron | google says that's 325 euros. hm | 16:23 |
| shanshe_ | in my case + 80 euros from my country customs... | 16:23 |
| mnemotron | ouch | 16:24 |
| mnemotron | i guess it'll be even more here in germany | 16:24 |
| gdonner | yeah, that's steep for customs :( | 16:24 |
| mnemotron | they add x% customs charges on the cost of the article including postage and THEN 19% vat on that | 16:25 |
| shanshe_ | yeah, here 21% of VAT + customs management -> 80 euros... | 16:25 |
| gdonner | oy vey | 16:25 |
| mnemotron | i wonder if the cpu is correctly marked for its value... probably not, but customs might open it and then would google the name "68060rc50" | 16:26 |
| gdonner | if they do that much checking on item, it's no wonder prices would be so high | 16:26 |
| mnemotron | or i would need to provide an invoice from the seller. i think that's even more probable. | 16:26 |
| gdonner | *items | 16:26 |
| mnemotron | i once ordered a Sideshow figurine and had to pay $$$$$$$$ for customs and a year later or so they came to me AGAIN because they used the wrong type of customs code and the correct customs code had an even higher tax | 16:27 |
| mnemotron | so they actually went through the OLD clearances and checked THOSE | 16:28 |
| gdonner | a year later? good grief! 8-O I'd be too scared to buy anything like that | 16:28 |
| mnemotron | gmail to the rescue... that was in August 2017 | 16:28 |
| gdonner | wow; yeah, that's just obnoxious | 16:29 |
| mnemotron | i even sent them an email where i requested an explanation | 16:29 |
| gdonner | no wonder Olaf Barthel is taking his time on me sending him some stuff... | 16:30 |
| gdonner | items coming into the US from Germany is no problem at all; but the other way is | 16:30 |
| mnemotron | oh, she wrote that the wrong number was used and it was tax-free, but the correct tax was 6.5%. 30 euros tax and 64 euros vat. 94 euro over all. and DHL already requested 48 euros AND Sideshow added $$$ on the original price because it was going to Germany. I think that was a bit of a scam. | 16:31 |
| gdonner | hmm, yeah--does sound a bit fishy | 16:31 |
| mnemotron | gdonner: it's not a problem to send anything from or to the us, but it's a pain to have the correct declarations and then sometimes to retrieve it from customs if they don't clear it right away. | 16:32 |
| mnemotron | minute wrote severals times on twitter how they would be waiting for customs to clear stuff | 16:32 |
| gdonner | yeah | 16:32 |
| gdonner | Olaf had a very bad experience once with extremely high customs in Germany | 16:33 |
| mnemotron | crap :( | 16:33 |
| mnemotron | problem is they are federal and not some privately-held company you can yell at :-D | 16:34 |
| gdonner | I'd like to think you should be able to just write "Gift" on the customs clip and send it through, but it's more complex than that apparently | 16:34 |
| gdonner | *slip | 16:34 |
| gdonner | New Zealand is no big problem either when it comes to customs | 16:35 |
| gdonner | got a lot of Amiga items fixed/recapped that way, thanks to Anthony Hoffman | 16:35 |
| mnemotron | gdonner: the problem is that they won't believe that it's a gift anymore. they realized how much money they "lost" on not charging customs for many years. | 16:36 |
| mnemotron | they=customs | 16:36 |
| mnemotron | there are some recapping experts on the german amiga facebook group, fortunately. if i'd ever have the need i would ask them | 16:37 |
| gdonner | yikes; yeah--opening packages and checking... gets a bit creepy | 16:37 |
| mnemotron | that's customs for you. they also do that at the airport when you return... :) | 16:38 |
| gdonner | Nice that you have local recapping experts there; here in the US not so lucky | 16:38 |
| mnemotron | i was always a bit sweaty when i returned from the US ;) | 16:38 |
| gdonner | heh | 16:38 |
| mnemotron | (outlets ftw!) | 16:38 |
| gdonner | :) | 16:38 |
| mnemotron | i really need to talk to the Ministry of Monetary Household Expenses about that 060 | 16:39 |
| mnemotron | i guess they won't get cheaper | 16:39 |
| mnemotron | on the other hand i'm wondering if an RC is *really* necessary. but then i would always have the feeling of not having the "full" thing. | 16:40 |
| gdonner | IMO, it just avoids potential issues, and it's worth it from that standpoint | 16:42 |
| gdonner | one of the best things about the rev. 6 is zero bugs, unlike other revs of 060s; though the rev. 4 LC is also bug free | 16:43 |
| mnemotron | good to know | 16:48 |
| gdonner | yeah, no fixes needed from Setpatch | 16:48 |
| mnemotron | i would never have thought that there were bugs in my holy Motorola CPU back in 1991 :D | 16:55 |
| mnemotron | or would an 040 suffice? | 17:01 |
| mnemotron | sigh | 17:01 |
| _Bnu | It depends on what you want to do with your Amiga. A 25MHz 040 is twice as fast as a 50MHz 030. | 17:14 |
| _Bnu | But 040s can't clock very high, I'm pretty sure 40MHz is the absolute maximum. | 17:14 |
| gdonner | it is | 17:16 |
| _Bnu | The 060 is pretty much the same performance per clock as the 040, but with a rev. 6 and some luck you can get up to 100MHz. Whether your CPU card can really take advantage of it running at 100MHz is a bit of a crap shoot though. | 17:16 |
| mnemotron | Right now I have a 030/25 | 17:16 |
| _Bnu | I can confirm that the Z3660 can take advantage of it, though . . . | 17:17 |
| _Bnu | https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/792130929942462565/979427459307020308/unknown.png | 17:17 |
| mnemotron | Of the 100? | 17:17 |
| _Bnu | https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/792130929942462565/979423314273517618/unknown.png | 17:17 |
| mnemotron | wow | 17:17 |
| mnemotron | ok, need to split. family time now. | 17:18 |
| mnemotron | see you | 17:18 |
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| gdonner | _Bnu: dang! very nice performance! | 17:27 |
| gdonner | 78 MIPS--and that's low; as I understand it, SysInfo under-calculates MIPS | 17:28 |
| _Bnu | Yeah, it's only really useful as a relative measure. It's accurate enough, 2x the speed of my 50MHz 060 CS MkII. | 17:29 |
| gdonner | heh! it thinks it's a Warp card :) Very nice compliment! | 17:29 |
| _Bnu | And just about perfect Chip speed, Pinball Fantasies and Illusions run properly on my A4000 with it. | 17:29 |
| gdonner | sweet! | 17:30 |
| pasik | has there been any news about Warp cards recently? the latest update on their blog is from March 2021 and there has been much after that.. | 17:30 |
| pasik | hasn't* | 17:30 |
| gdonner | Cizar is (as far as I know) still hand-soldering a batch of Warp 1260 cards | 17:32 |
| gdonner | they're producing as many Warp cards as they can with the FPGAs they had in stock | 17:33 |
| gdonner | hopefully, there might(?) be some kind of firmware update this summer--but that's pure speculation on my part | 17:33 |
| gdonner | CS-Labs have made no official announcement if/when regarding any firmware updates | 17:34 |
| gdonner | I just say that, as it's been about a year since the last one (v1.20) | 17:34 |
| gdonner | and Sellen had already made some good progress on the scandoubler firmware a year ago or more | 17:36 |
| pasik | it's just weird they haven't posted any updates | 17:36 |
| pasik | or info about how to buy the cards, but i guess they're not able to produce any extra units for sale | 17:37 |
| gdonner | yeah, they've been very quiet lately--but hopefully that's good news waiting for a surprise :) | 17:38 |
| gdonner | they're completely limited by the number of FPGAs they have in stock, and there's a fair amount of back log in regards to people who sent their CPUs a long time ago for a card | 17:39 |
| gdonner | that's basically how it works; you send your CPU (only for Warp 1260 cards at this point) to them, they check it, and it waits until they have some FPGAs available to make a batch | 17:40 |
| gdonner | when the cards are done, they'll send you payment instructions, and then ship the card to you | 17:40 |
| gdonner | my understanding is that Artix FPGAs (which is what the Warp cards and scandoubler cards use) are very hard to get at the moment | 17:42 |
| gdonner | pasik: I try to track and post any updates/progress on this page: https://www.gregdonner.org/warp4060/Warp%204060.html | 17:45 |
| gdonner | they're working on a batch of 80 Warp 1260 cards | 17:47 |
| gdonner | https://www.gregdonner.org/warp4060/sources/source_warp1260_production_resumes.png | 17:47 |
| pasik | oh, i hadn't seen the update from April, thanks | 17:49 |
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| gdonner | sure thing | 17:53 |
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| + mnemotron (mnemotron@194.135.47.239) | 19:18 | |
| mnemotron | re | 19:18 |
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| trixster | @shanshe_: I’d be keen to help out with zz3660 testing too if you need any more people, have 3000D, AA3000D and A4000D to test with plus a bunch of rev6 060s :). AA3000+ has the Prometheus busboard, and the 4000 has a mediator, both of which have been known to cause issues with various accelerators over the years. | 22:43 |
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