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| Jope | _Bnu, assembler, I thought I'd just fail if I did it in C because I don't know stuff like volatile etc | 06:48 |
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| Jope | I'm not doing any repeated writes though | 08:06 |
| Jope | three different addresses | 08:07 |
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| + Jope (jope@jope.fi) | 08:18 | |
| + mnemotron (~mnemotron@194.135.47.239) | 09:48 | |
| _Bnu | ('A`) | 10:07 |
| minute | Jope: what do you mean by non jerky | 10:26 |
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| CottonUndies | minute CottonUndies checking in. | 10:56 |
| _Bnu | minute: Probably trying to switch to the 49.92 Hz mode without using the ENV variable. | 11:29 |
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| - CottonUndies (QUIT: Quit: Client closed) (~CottonUnd@2405:6580:33c0:b400:d916:e990:49d5:2ef) | 12:10 | |
| + CottonUndies (~CottonUnd@2405:6580:33c0:b400:d916:e990:49d5:2ef) | 12:17 | |
| Jope | yes, I thought I'd try 49.92 without initializing p96 | 12:24 |
| Jope | I sometimes boot my machine without startup-sequence so I'd just run that little command | 12:24 |
| Jope | most likely the proper angle of attack would have been to install the toolchains to generate my own boot.bin which defaults to that :-D | 12:25 |
| Jope | next poke in the dark would have been to do what SetSwitch() does and initialize pan_ptr_hi and pan_ptr_lo, then quickly flip it to rtg mode and back to capture mode and see what happens | 12:27 |
| Jope | but I went to sleep before I could get to that yesterday :-) | 12:27 |
| Jope | thought I'd try something myself instead of always just requesting you guys for stuff. I need the practice anywya | 12:28 |
| mnemotron | do you ppl have heatsinks on your 9000's? | 12:33 |
| mnemotron | i forgot to order one and now i have no idea how to easily get one except to order it for like 10 euros for a 10 cent part | 12:34 |
| Jope | I think I stuck one on | 12:41 |
| Jope | the voltage trace cut was more relevant to my 1st rev card though | 12:41 |
| + xet7 (~xet7@user/xet7) | 12:51 | |
| mnemotron | indeed | 13:42 |
| mnemotron | but i think 62 degrees C isn't too good for my ZZ | 13:43 |
| mnemotron | and there's no bios without autoboot, but with the 256 megs, right? | 13:46 |
| mnemotron | hm, my 3000 reboots TWICE after switching it on... taking ages. | 13:48 |
| mnemotron | and my dell suddenly doesn't like the PAL boot picture, sigh. NTSC is displaying | 13:51 |
| mnemotron | minute: ssl cert on mntre.com has expired today | 13:53 |
| minute | mnemotron: eek | 13:54 |
| minute | mnemotron: fixed, thanks | 13:55 |
| mnemotron | np | 13:55 |
| minute | CottonUndies: hi, can you tell me about your problem again? | 13:56 |
| CottonUndies | Sure. Under 1.11FW Amiga Test Kit will freeze usually as the non-RTG screen is drawing. Under 1.10FW there is no problem at all. | 14:58 |
| minute | ah. | 14:59 |
| minute | can anyone else reproduce this? | 15:00 |
| mnemotron | i had freezes when using my a3000 normally, not with ATK | 15:00 |
| minute | CottonUndies: do you get errors in bus test in 1.11 zztop as well? | 15:00 |
| mnemotron | oh right, i have those errors, too | 15:00 |
| CottonUndies | Ibrowse will also freezer the RTG while scrolling | 15:01 |
| CottonUndies | Yes, I get bus errors. I get different errors on 1.10 vs 1.11. Let me run one now. | 15:01 |
| mnemotron | i had freezes in diskmaster while scrolling | 15:01 |
| CottonUndies | So in FW 1.10 the "error" is delaywrites 0x7a097a09 (should be: 0xffff) | 15:02 |
| CottonUndies | Shall I test 1.11 FW? | 15:03 |
| CottonUndies | Also, in 1.11 FW I get a DOUBLE screen, and garbage at the bottom in P96 Speed. No problem in 1.10. Here is a pic of 1.11 | 15:04 |
| CottonUndies | https://discord.com/channels/686188845569802314/686188846031044637 | 15:04 |
| mnemotron | that image link doesn't work when you're not on that server, i think | 15:05 |
| CottonUndies | https://discord.com/channels/686188845569802314/686188846031044637/975055593813475348 | 15:05 |
| CottonUndies | How about now? | 15:05 |
| mnemotron | nope. not for me. | 15:05 |
| mnemotron | you can't link random images from discord | 15:06 |
| CottonUndies | arrrghhhhg. I was told this was an easy way to share pics. | 15:06 |
| CottonUndies | This is on my own discord channel | 15:06 |
| mnemotron | i use imgur | 15:06 |
| mnemotron | ZZTop: https://i.imgur.com/03FStjd.jpg | 15:06 |
| mnemotron | bus test: https://i.imgur.com/eyLIGpC.jpg | 15:06 |
| CottonUndies | https://imgur.com/y2DYoJr | 15:13 |
| CottonUndies | That is under 1.11 | 15:13 |
| CottonUndies | Your ZZTop is really going to town. | 15:14 |
| mnemotron | in what way? | 15:14 |
| minute | mnemotron: you can try to use different values for dtack timeout register and rerun bus test to see if it helps, one moment | 15:14 |
| CottonUndies | Much more error reporting than mine. | 15:15 |
| minute | mnemotron: do you have the tool "mon"? if not, please get it from aminet | 15:15 |
| mnemotron | nope. will do. | 15:15 |
| minute | CottonUndies: maybe you have an old version of zztop? | 15:15 |
| mnemotron | just download P96Speed, too | 15:15 |
| minute | CottonUndies: check the one in the 1.11 driver archive | 15:15 |
| mnemotron | this? https://aminet.net/package/dev/moni/mon165 | 15:16 |
| minute | yes | 15:16 |
| minute | mnemotron: then, find your card address, for example $40000000 | 15:16 |
| CottonUndies | I'm using ZZTop 1.11 . I will take a shot. Hold on. | 15:16 |
| minute | mnemotron: add 1020 to the address: pokew 40001020 2 | 15:17 |
| minute | mnemotron: the 2 is the value for the dtack timeout. default is 6. you can try different values between 2 and hex 10, for example. try to see if it makes a difference with bustest. | 15:18 |
| mnemotron | ok, will do. this is just a temporary setting while the amiga is on? | 15:18 |
| mnemotron | ok, ZZ9000 now at 60 degrees C | 15:21 |
| CottonUndies | here is me on 1.10. I'll now move to 1.11 and also run the test | 15:22 |
| CottonUndies | https://imgur.com/Yxmtw68 | 15:22 |
| mnemotron | whoa. immediate crash when clicking "bus test" with setting 2 | 15:22 |
| mnemotron | strange. i was just typing in mon and it outputs "Illegal instruction" at PC=500212A6 | 15:24 |
| mnemotron | hmmm, i guess it's still having problems with 2. i'll power cycle the amiga | 15:24 |
| mnemotron | maybe all my problems are caused by the 256 megs? hmm | 15:25 |
| mnemotron | immediate freezes-crash again with "5" | 15:28 |
| CottonUndies | on 1.11 it seems it boots too quickly. two cold boots both gave me problems is Loadmodules = devices still validating. Needed to manually reboot. | 15:30 |
| CottonUndies | here is 1.11 | 15:30 |
| CottonUndies | https://imgur.com/ItjyWVA | 15:30 |
| CottonUndies | Just thinking: ZZTop would be even better if it would tell you which variant of the BIOS you were on, such as NOFAST, NOAUTOBOOT. I know you can easily see if you have the memory on or off, but the autoboot maybe less obvious? | 15:33 |
| CottonUndies | Anyway, I reconfirm my issues: Amiga Test Kit *(non-RTG screen) freezes, and I cannot scroll in Ibrowse without freeze. I THINK my P96 is 3.1.0, which the ZZ installer says should work. | 15:36 |
| mnemotron | minute: regardless which pokew setting i use, i get errors on memtest. SOMETIMES 0, but mostly 2-6 errors | 15:37 |
| mnemotron | or is it my amiga? i never used Zorro cards before | 15:37 |
| mnemotron | ok, on setting 2 i just got about 40 errors | 15:38 |
| minute | mnemotron: ok thanks. i have 2 other ideas: 1. different zorro slot 2. "cpu nodatacache" | 15:40 |
| mnemotron | the ZZ is in the second slot from the top | 15:40 |
| mnemotron | just fyi | 15:40 |
| Jope | was there a buster version requirement for the zz9000? | 15:41 |
| minute | buster 11 | 15:42 |
| Jope | thought there might have been.. mnemo, did you check this :-) | 15:42 |
| mnemotron | uh, what? | 15:44 |
| mnemotron | isn't that the elusive buster no one has? | 15:44 |
| Jope | it's quite common after all | 15:46 |
| mnemotron | where exactly does it say that you would need that for the zz9000? | 15:46 |
| Jope | but getting expensive now. most regularly used a4000s and 3000s were upgraded ages ago | 15:47 |
| apolkosnik[m] | some earlier versions of p96 have some curious bugs in them | 15:47 |
| mnemotron | i'm using P96 3.3.0 | 15:47 |
| mnemotron | running P96Speed now, no errors yet | 15:48 |
| mnemotron | are you kidding me? https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/363018701268 | 15:49 |
| CottonUndies | 1.11: P96Speed 1.2 - CON-Output test freezes and can also reboot the system. I also see the large mouse sprite have some corruptionon of my large sprite. Will try with small. ON CON-Output test I did eventually trigger a GURU: 8000 0003 Task: 500032D0 (I think....) | 15:49 |
| mnemotron | CON Output worked. 282 op/s | 15:49 |
| CottonUndies | As there any software that I can use to verify my Buster without opening up for surgery? | 15:50 |
| mnemotron | maybe whichamiga? | 15:50 |
| mnemotron | hm, whichamiga's readme doesn't mention the buster | 15:51 |
| CottonUndies | Which Amiga is known not to work with ZZ.... | 15:51 |
| CottonUndies | I was able to do a CON Output run! 680op/s | 15:51 |
| mnemotron | which amiga and cpu? | 15:51 |
| mnemotron | P96Speed, A3000/25. https://i.imgur.com/aVBP8BU.jpg | 15:53 |
| CottonUndies | Me? 3000 with a 060LC. Same result when I had 040. Minute was the one who mentioend it doesn't work with Which Amiga I'm pretty sure. | 15:53 |
| mnemotron | ooooh, 060 | 15:54 |
| CottonUndies | Can you run at 640x480x256? I only say that as that seems to be the "standard" that people use when benchmarking. | 15:54 |
| mnemotron | k | 15:54 |
| CottonUndies | I really recommend an accelerator with local fast ram. Will make your machine super fast. You are lucky to have the 25Mhz motherboard, so you can go with the best setup. | 15:56 |
| mnemotron | easier said than done... i hope that Matze or TF will finish their cards soon | 15:57 |
| CottonUndies | Or PiStorm32 | 15:57 |
| CottonUndies | if ever.... | 15:57 |
| mnemotron | and i need to file a request with the Ministry of Monetary External Transactions (aka wife) | 15:58 |
| CottonUndies | Understood! | 15:58 |
| mnemotron | yeah, if ever. why's that not happening anyway? | 15:58 |
| CottonUndies | I think so much developing on the initial platform that 32bit is off on the horizon. I think there was not enough GIO pins on the hardware as well for 32bit, well, to be honest I forget. | 15:59 |
| mnemotron | i think the pistorm guy once twittered that he had something going with the a3000 or 4000, but i never heard more | 16:00 |
| mnemotron | 640x480x8 https://i.imgur.com/VuaVLEz.jpg | 16:01 |
| CottonUndies | I'd show you mine if it would stop crashing..... trying again. | 16:04 |
| mnemotron | minute: NO memtest errors with "cpu nodatacache". what does that mean? | 16:05 |
| minute | mnemotron: do you use mmulibs? | 16:12 |
| minute | mnemotron: if so, can you disable them completely? | 16:12 |
| minute | CottonUndies: the "bustest" button in zztop 1.11 crashes? | 16:13 |
| mnemotron | i use it, but have disabled most (all?) of it an hour ago. i'll check for any remnants. | 16:13 |
| CottonUndies | @minute. No, does not crash. These are the results: https://imgur.com/ItjyWVA | 16:25 |
| mnemotron | minute: ok, mmulibs was disabled for the last tests. do i need to remove the 68030.library, too? i guess that's required, otherwise you get that message from the CPU check on bootup. | 16:29 |
| minute | mnemotron: if 68030.library is from mutools, it will also load mmulibs | 16:30 |
| minute | hmm | 16:30 |
| mnemotron | ok, i'll rename it for tests | 16:30 |
| minute | CottonUndies: thanks, everything looks fine there | 16:30 |
| mnemotron | *powercycle* | 16:31 |
| CottonUndies | ok, interesting. When I saw "should be" that gave me concern. | 16:31 |
| minute | mnemotron: mmulibs is the last idea i have at the moment; if it's ok for you otherwise you can put "cpu nodatacache" in your user startup | 16:31 |
| minute | CottonUndies: yeah, i think bug on my part | 16:32 |
| mnemotron | minute: that will make the computer slower, right? not really great, but not THAT important | 16:32 |
| mnemotron | still getting memtest errors without 68030.library | 16:33 |
| mnemotron | minute: why does the delaywrites test say "Result: 0 (should be 0xffff)"? | 16:46 |
| mnemotron | i.e. is that a problem? | 16:47 |
| minute | mnemotron: i think that's just a bug, no worries | 16:47 |
| minute | mnemotron: i don't believe the datacache on 030 has much impact. | 16:47 |
| mnemotron | ok, cool | 16:47 |
| mnemotron | thanks | 16:47 |
| mnemotron | about that Buster-11 - i don't think that people buying the zz9000 know about that | 16:48 |
| minute | no, it's not a hard requirement | 16:50 |
| minute | buster 9 works also | 16:50 |
| minute | i would just recommend buster 11 | 16:50 |
| mnemotron | i have no idea which buster i have, right now | 16:50 |
| mnemotron | found a photo, it's an -07 of course | 16:52 |
| mnemotron | minute: and do you have an idea why the early pal mode doesn't work anymore on my 3000? this is on 1.11 | 16:54 |
| mnemotron | that always worked before | 16:54 |
| mnemotron | games also won't work anymore | 16:55 |
| CottonUndies | I updated P96 to current version. IBrowse no longer seems to crash for scrolling. ATK still crashes. | 16:56 |
| CottonUndies | ATK still "freezes" | 16:56 |
| mnemotron | hm, okay, creating ENVARC:ZZ9000-VCAP-800x600 makes games run again | 17:00 |
| mnemotron | but the early startup worked before | 17:00 |
| minute | mnemotron: by "won't work" you mean your monitor doesn't sync to it? | 17:04 |
| minute | mnemotron: the early startup should work after 1 reboot after that ENVARC:ZZ9000-VCAP-800x600 is set, or no? | 17:04 |
| minute | mnemotron: do you use a dell monitor or something? | 17:05 |
| minute | CottonUndies: ok, i need to test ATK, i have never tried it / don't really know what it is | 17:05 |
| minute | mnemotron: if you have your amiga running atm, could you test ATK? | 17:05 |
| CottonUndies | https://github.com/keirf/amiga-stuff | 17:06 |
| mnemotron | minute: yes, dell. yes, no sync. it says "cannot display this mode" | 17:06 |
| mnemotron | waidasec | 17:06 |
| mnemotron | minute: sorry, i'm stupid. yes, now it works, after the first boot with the envarc file | 17:06 |
| minute | mnemotron: cool | 17:07 |
| CottonUndies | Don't want to go back to 1.10 to prove it, but just to remind, it was working on 1.10. So something changed.... | 17:08 |
| CottonUndies | *sounds of ghosts* | 17:08 |
| mnemotron | BOO! | 17:08 |
| mnemotron | ok, what do you want me to do in ATK? | 17:09 |
| mnemotron | CottonUndies: where does it hang in ATK? | 17:09 |
| CottonUndies | It's not 100% all the time, but mostly it draws the initial screen. But then it's frozen (no mouse, no keyboard input). This time (just now), was a bit better, I could move the mouse around the screen, and the options/text highlighted in Green, but then now its frozen again. | 17:11 |
| CottonUndies | Simply put, it's not freezing at exactly the same time all the time. but it happens for sure within 1 seconds or so at the best of times. No GURU. | 17:13 |
| mnemotron | initial screen works | 17:13 |
| mnemotron | sorry, my kid wants to switch off the computer :D | 17:13 |
| mnemotron | more tomorrow! | 17:13 |
| mnemotron | bye, sorry | 17:13 |
| - mnemotron (QUIT: Quit: Quit) (~mnemotron@194.135.47.239) | 17:13 | |
| CottonUndies | This time I was able to press ESC two times to switch PAL/NTSC, then it froze. | 17:13 |
| CottonUndies | Let me try without the startup-sequence | 17:14 |
| CottonUndies | with not startup-sequence (setpatch only) now it is much happier, and is running a memory test on the 256megs. This is super duper much better. So now I think something in the startup/user-startup is sensitive to a change between 1.10 and 1.11FW. | 17:16 |
| CottonUndies | But whatever is sensitive is triggered by 1.11..... | 17:18 |
| minute | interesting | 17:19 |
| CottonUndies | yes, I agree. Since ATK is not being Mode-promoted or anything it is not using any RTG, but something, something is throwing it. | 17:20 |
| CottonUndies | Let me try again, but this time let loadmodules do its thing to go resident. | 17:23 |
| CottonUndies | hmmm. Booting with no startup-sequence after letting loadmodules do it's thing ends up giving me A meditation: Error 8000 0003 Task: 50003308 | 17:26 |
| CottonUndies | WTF. I'm booting without a startup-sequene, and the 256megs is no longer reported. Was there the last time.... | 17:32 |
| CottonUndies | So, one thing I can say for sure, that I don't think is related to my ATK issue is that 1.11 is too quick for something.... I almost all the time get LoadModule not working as it comes up to fast as "some devices are validating". | 17:33 |
| CottonUndies | I added "wait 1" to the startup. That should address that specific issue. | 17:37 |
| minute | the 256 meg needs 1 reboot to be activated | 17:38 |
| CottonUndies | Yes, I might have been doing a cold that time. | 17:39 |
| _Bnu | minute: Is the ZZ9000 triggering the AX interrupt even if the driver hasn't been initialized? I'm still stuck in work hell, haven't had a chance to check. | 17:40 |
| _Bnu | (Amiga Test Kit tends to be really unstable around missed interrupt handlers.) | 17:41 |
| minute | _Bnu: it does not, the IRQ needs to be enabled by the driver | 17:42 |
| CottonUndies | even with WAIT 5 loadmodules complains of devices still validating | 17:46 |
| minute | CottonUndies: validating FFS normally takes a long time, which filesystem do you use? | 17:48 |
| CottonUndies | wait a sec, you just gave me an idea. I use PFS, but maybe the ZZ USB which is formatted as a ShapeShifter drive is the holdup. | 17:49 |
| CottonUndies | That might have been it. As a ShapeShifter drive I think the Amiga side doesn't know what to do with it, so it takes time to bomb out. | 17:52 |
| minute | ah. | 17:52 |
| CottonUndies | I'll keep it unplugged and see what happens. Its a 4gb drive. | 17:52 |
| CottonUndies | yes, that seems to be it. Bummer, had thought I had a good use finally for the new USB implementation! | 17:53 |
| CottonUndies | ATK: I've disabled basically everything I can think of which is naughty in my SS and user-s, and still ATK freezes. | 17:54 |
| CottonUndies | I need to sleep, its 1am here... | 17:56 |
| minute | good night | 17:57 |
| CottonUndies | ttyl | 18:02 |
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| Jope | minute, have you tried it with a buster 6 or 7 | 19:02 |
| Jope | http://www.wonkity.com/~wblock/a4000hard/defibust.html | 19:02 |
| Jope | the level 1 busters don't support everything the level 2 ones do | 19:02 |
| _Bnu | And they should never be used. Why would an A4000 have a Buster 6 or 7. | 19:02 |
| Jope | true, an a4000 wouldn't have one. | 19:03 |
| Jope | a3000s still often have them if they were never used with zorro iii cards | 19:03 |
| Jope | at least all the ones I've had in my hands were upgraded to buster 11 by me, not by the previous owners | 19:03 |
| _Bnu | They should still never be used, but I get what you mean. | 19:04 |
| _Bnu | I don't see why any care should be taken regarding the old buggy models. | 19:04 |
| Jope | no, I wouldn't really recommend spending time with them either, but it turns out the level 2 buster is not mentioned anywhere in the zz9000 docs so we have a user here with a level 1 buster and a zz9000 | 19:06 |
| Jope | it just got me wondering whether this explains some of the incompatibilities | 19:06 |
| _Bnu | Ah yeah, mentioning that you should try to make sure that you have at least a 9 to avoid random Z3 problems in the docs is a good idea. | 19:08 |
| minute | you could still use it in zorro 2 mode ^^ | 19:08 |
| _Bnu | Yay! | 19:09 |
| Jope | :-) | 19:09 |
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