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| tryphoncosinus | True, what I sent is not in the log. However it is on my screen yet : | 03:18 |
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| tryphoncosinus | (09:28:23 AM) tryphoncosinus: I have the beginning transmitted text since A2000 power on : | 03:19 |
| tryphoncosinus | (09:28:28 AM) tryphoncosinus: ^MXilinx First Stage Boot Loader | 03:19 |
| tryphoncosinus | (09:28:28 AM) tryphoncosinus: ^MRelease 2018.3 Oct 25 2021-17............................................................> | 03:19 |
| tryphoncosinus | (09:28:28 AM) tryphoncosinus: ^MSUCCESSFUL_HANDOFF | 03:19 |
| tryphoncosinus | (09:28:28 AM) tryphoncosinus: FSBL Status = 0x1 | 03:19 |
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| tryphoncosinus | Ok. Something weird happened : | 03:20 |
| tryphoncosinus | tryphoncosinus left the room (quit: Excess Flood). The account has disconnected and you are no longer in this chat. You will automatically rejoin the chat when the account reconnects. | 03:20 |
| apolkosnik[m] | Whoops | 03:24 |
| apolkosnik[m] | IRC is not the best place for dumping logs | 03:25 |
| tryphoncosinus | Ok, I don't know IRC a lot. | 03:25 |
| tryphoncosinus | mntmn suggested to copy paste the log so I did ... | 03:27 |
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| apolkosnik[m] | Probably better is to use pastebin | 03:36 |
| apolkosnik[m] | pastebin.com | 03:37 |
| tryphoncosinus | I do not know pastebin. Something like that : https://pastebin.com/v7bDjwMe ? | 03:42 |
| tryphoncosinus | Thank you. It seems to work. | 03:43 |
| apolkosnik[m] | Looks good | 03:58 |
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| tryphoncosinus | Hello Mntmn. Someone helped to use pastebin to upload my log : https://pastebin.com/v7bDjwMe | 15:36 |
| mntmn | tryphoncosinus: cool, thanks | 15:39 |
| mntmn | tryphoncosinus: sooo you're looking at NTSC Hires and you get a black screen, and these ntsc/pal switching things repeat over and over on the uart output? is that what happens? | 15:39 |
| mntmn | tryphoncosinus: did you boot all the way to workbench or does this happen already in Early Startup menu? | 15:40 |
| _Bnu | The constant switching between PAL/NTSC does happen on some old A2000s, I believe someone even made an application to make it stop doing it. | 15:42 |
| _Bnu | Happens on my ancient A2000 (which says A2000 on the motherboard rather than B2000). | 15:43 |
| tryphoncosinus | Early startup or Workbench display have the same behavior. With 1.9.2 rc black screen disapears but with USB UART connected, black screen appears again. Because of speedy ntsc/pal switching? | 15:44 |
| tryphoncosinus | My A2000 is rev 6.2 | 15:44 |
| mntmn | _Bnu: whaaaat? | 15:45 |
| _Bnu | Yeah. It only sticks on PAL once every ten boots or something. | 15:45 |
| mntmn | _Bnu: seriously? that's a hardware bug? | 15:45 |
| _Bnu | I believe so, yes. | 15:45 |
| mntmn | :0 :0 | 15:45 |
| mntmn | do you have any links with info on this? | 15:45 |
| mntmn | it's the first time i ever hear this | 15:45 |
| _Bnu | Doesn't happen on my B2000 with the ECS Denise. | 15:46 |
| mntmn | tryphoncosinus: you say on 1.9.2 black screen disappears, what does that mean, what do you see instead? | 15:46 |
| _Bnu | I had a lot of problems finding any information about it, and eventually mostly gave up, since the reset line is partially busted on my old A2000 anyway. | 15:46 |
| mntmn | rev 6.2 sounds not old though | 15:47 |
| mntmn | (i also have 2x 6.2) | 15:47 |
| _Bnu | Yeah, not sure which part it is that causes it. It seemed like it could be related to the PSU, somehow? | 15:48 |
| _Bnu | I can't actually remember what I googled either... | 15:48 |
| _Bnu | But there was definitely some tiny application you could stuff in the Startup-Sequence to force it to stay on one display mode. | 15:49 |
| mntmn | ah, wasn't there a jumper for vsync? | 15:49 |
| mntmn | tick vs not tick | 15:49 |
| _Bnu | Not on the A2000, no. | 15:49 |
| _Bnu | On the B2000, maybe. | 15:49 |
| mntmn | there was something in a1k or community where someone fixed something with a tick jumper | 15:49 |
| _Bnu | The A2000 mobo doesn't have a single useful jumper on it, haha. | 15:49 |
| mntmn | > J300 Selects LINE/VSYNC TICK source | 15:50 |
| tryphoncosinus | No, I replaced 1.9.2 firmware by 1.9.2 rc you provided here : I tested it and saw that black screen disappears letting only the scrolling down issue of the image. However, with USB UART connected, black screen appears again. These are my observations. | 15:50 |
| _Bnu | But yeah, try adjusting J300 if you have it on your motherboard. | 15:51 |
| mntmn | J300 is near the top right corner, i guess it is under the power supply? http://amiga.resource.cx/photos/gallery/a2000rev62.jpg | 15:51 |
| mntmn | tryphoncosinus: if the image scrolls down, it sounds like you used A500 firmware | 15:52 |
| tryphoncosinus | Sorry, I replace 1.9.1 by 1.9.2rc | 15:52 |
| tryphoncosinus | How to check this? | 15:52 |
| mntmn | only with md5 sum | 15:53 |
| mntmn | you use linux, right? | 15:53 |
| mntmn | so mount the sd card and type md5sum BOOT.bin | 15:53 |
| _Bnu | ACTION uses Linus | 15:53 |
| tryphoncosinus | That's ok for the firmaware ID. I do not know how to check if I use A500 firmware ? | 15:54 |
| mntmn | 32f80f75a7f6b4c22af6e172b451bbb9 BOOT.bin for zz9000-firmware-r-1_9_2-rc1-zorro2-noautoboot | 15:54 |
| mntmn | tryphoncosinus: well, i just told you | 15:54 |
| mntmn | tryphoncosinus: tell me the md5 sum | 15:55 |
| mntmn | 36989bb94da85fe53ec99b58ce02a7b6 zz9000-firmware-r-1_9_2-rc1-a500plus-2mb/BOOT.bin | 15:55 |
| mntmn | cee7f508c1fd31c95984560d19d47030 zz9000-firmware-r-1_9_2-rc1-a500plus-2mb-dtack2/BOOT.bin | 15:55 |
| tryphoncosinus | Ok ... | 15:55 |
| tryphoncosinus | I use BOOT.bin having 32f80f75a7f6b4c22af6e172b451bbb9 | 15:58 |
| mntmn | ok thanks | 16:04 |
| mntmn | that is not the a500 version then | 16:04 |
| mntmn | it's zz9000-firmware-r-1_9_2-rc1-zorro2-noautoboot | 16:04 |
| mntmn | ok could you try to change jumper J300? | 16:04 |
| mntmn | it is above denise, see here http://amiga.resource.cx/photos/gallery/a2000rev62.jpg | 16:04 |
| mntmn | excuse me, it is above PAULA | 16:04 |
| mntmn | ah hmm this might be useless | 16:05 |
| mntmn | orrrr maybe not | 16:05 |
| tryphoncosinus | I am checking ... | 16:06 |
| tryphoncosinus | Jumper on J300 is bridging 2-3 pins | 16:14 |
| tryphoncosinus | I change it ... | 16:14 |
| tryphoncosinus | IT WORKS !! Guys you had both right intuition. But colors are really saturated ... | 16:22 |
| tryphoncosinus | The next step is to install the ZZ9000 in my other A2000 (mounted in a tower case) which contains a lot of hardware stuff. | 16:35 |
| mntmn | tryphoncosinus: it works? that's very interesting | 16:42 |
| tryphoncosinus | YES, thank you so much!!! | 16:50 |
| _Bnu | Yeah, the main problem on the older model (A2000) is that there's no such jumper, haha. | 16:51 |
| _Bnu | And no one ever really detailed a fix for the problem on those, probably because no one cares. | 16:51 |
| _Bnu | They're so uncommon compared to the newer models. | 16:51 |
| mntmn | _Bnu: i see! you mean the braunschweiger :3 | 17:02 |
| mntmn | tryphoncosinus: awesome, thanks for testing it | 17:02 |
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| Claude | Wayne? | 17:34 |
| _Bnu | Wayne Gretzky. | 17:35 |
| mntmn | garth | 17:43 |
| - shanshe (QUIT: Remote host closed the connection) (~shanshe@79.red-79-155-212.dynamicip.rima-tde.net) | 18:13 | |
| Jope | _Bnu, cut the tick line coming to the cia and jumper vsync to that cia pin :-) | 18:45 |
| Jope | pin 19 on the cia that is connected to the parallel port | 18:47 |
| Jope | vsync you can take from the rgb connector or video slot. | 18:50 |
| _Bnu | Can't really do that, sorry. | 18:52 |
| Jope | would you like someone else to do it :-) | 18:53 |
| Jope | it can actually be done without any soldering | 18:53 |
| _Bnu | Sure, but I would not like to ship the old A2000 anywhere really, lolb. | 18:53 |
| Jope | if the pin 19 is bent out of the cia and you use test clips to get vsync from the agnus | 18:53 |
| _Bnu | I'd rather just not use it and use the other one. | 18:53 |
| Jope | the best use for an a2000a is as part of a collection :-) | 18:54 |
| Jope | ha | 18:57 |
| + shanshe (~shanshe@ceduroam29.us.es) | 18:57 | |
| Jope | according to the schematics, j34 is the tick jumper for the A2000a | 18:57 |
| Jope | but is it a pin jumper or a solder jumper.. | 18:57 |
| Jope | looks like it is empty vias for a pin jumper | 18:59 |
| Jope | so needs a trace cut + pins soldered | 18:59 |
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| _Bnu | Yes, there are no physical jumper pins present on the A2000 boards. | 19:02 |
| + shanshe (~shanshe@ceduroam29.us.es) | 19:02 | |
| Jope | ype | 19:03 |
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| Claude | ror/rol on gnarth! | 19:18 |
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| tryphoncosinus | J300 cannot be put on 1-2 pins with an ATX PSU powersupply : it does not generate ticks. On my second A2000, since I cannot use ZZ9000 + J300 bridged on 2-3 pins, I am stuck : A2000 does not starts. | 19:23 |
| tryphoncosinus | ZZ9000+A2000 NTSC seems to only work with original PSU. | 19:25 |
| + gdonner (~gdonner@c-98-253-93-116.hsd1.in.comcast.net) | 19:26 | |
| - shanshe (QUIT: Ping timeout: 260 seconds) (~shanshe@ceduroam29.us.es) | 19:27 | |
| + shanshe (~shanshe@ceduroam29.us.es) | 19:27 | |
| gdonner | tryphoncosinus: If you like, I can add an entry to the ZZ9000 Compendium's Troubleshooting section in regards to the PAL/NTSC switching issue? | 19:30 |
| gdonner | Something like: "If you have an Amiga rev. 6.2, and your system appears to be switching back and forth between PAL and NTSC, try setting Jumper 300 (above the Paula chip) from 2-3 to 1-2." | 19:31 |
| gdonner | *Amiga 2000 rev. 6.2 | 19:31 |
| tryphoncosinus | Yes this is a good idea as long as the original PSU is used. This is not a solution with ATX PSU. I wonder if a solution can be found to use ZZ9000 with internal ticks. | 19:33 |
| tryphoncosinus | mntmn : a though about this ? | 19:34 |
| gdonner | Thanks--will add those critical details | 19:34 |
| mntmn | tryphoncosinus: aren't there atx adapters with tick emulation? | 20:29 |
| tryphoncosinus | Every time I find an ATX PSU, the webpage states that J300 needs to be set in 2-3 pins (internal ticks). Internal ticks cannot be read by the ZZ9000? | 20:35 |
| mntmn | tryphoncosinus: tbh i have no idea what is going on and why this fixes things. | 20:41 |
| pasik | some info here about atx psus and tick: http://web.archive.org/web/20210518121029/www.ianstedman.co.uk/Amiga/designs/Amiga_ATX_Adaptor/amiga_atx_adaptor.html | 20:42 |
| Jope | v. curious since a4000 has no psu tick | 20:42 |
| - gdonner (QUIT: ) (~gdonner@c-98-253-93-116.hsd1.in.comcast.net) | 20:43 | |
| pasik | so yes, some atx adapters generate the tick signal | 20:43 |
| pasik | and for example the one above allows setting the tick to either 50hz or 60 hz, by using a jumper | 20:43 |
| pasik | also: http://web.archive.org/web/20211018182903/http://ianstedman.co.uk/amiga-power-supply-guide/ | 20:45 |
| pasik | A2000: Note: This system requires a ‘tick’ circuit which provides a 50/60Hz +/-10% reference signal to the video chipset or motherboard jumper J300. | 20:45 |
| pasik | A3000 also requires tick | 20:46 |
| tryphoncosinus | https://github.com/istedman/ATX_adaptors | 20:49 |
| tryphoncosinus | 2021 UpdateI: 'm discontinuing sales of all Amiga related projects. Reduced order volumes and extra issues with order post Brexit have not made it viable to continue. All information, including BOMs, Gerbers and notes are now in the repository, if you want to build your own. | 20:49 |
| tryphoncosinus | Ian will no longer produce it | 20:49 |
| mntmn | ah | 20:50 |
| mntmn | i think i have one from ian in my a3000d | 20:50 |
| tryphoncosinus | You may replicate it as an option for us:-D | 20:51 |
| mntmn | yeah i guess that would be possible | 20:51 |
| tryphoncosinus | In the past I checked that my A2000 full populated with zorro/ISA cards cannot be fed by original PSU. Of course, I dedicated the ZZ9000 in this A2000 tower to replace my Picasso IV. | 20:53 |
| mntmn | oh! i would have thought that the original psus are stronger on the 5v rail | 20:54 |
| mntmn | maybe not if they're old... | 20:54 |
| tryphoncosinus | Right : stability of my old PSU decreased a lot and I had to remove it. | 20:55 |
| + gdonner (~gdonner@c-98-253-93-116.hsd1.in.comcast.net) | 20:56 | |
| - shanshe (QUIT: Remote host closed the connection) (~shanshe@ceduroam29.us.es) | 20:57 | |
| gdonner | hmm; I wonder if that tick is in any way related to the "timing out of sync" monitor error I get on my A3000? | 20:57 |
| gdonner | of course, that's with f/w 1.8 | 20:57 |
| + shanshe (~shanshe@ceduroam29.us.es) | 20:57 | |
| gdonner | I only get it when it's not displaying an RTG screen | 20:58 |
| gdonner | (I reverted to 1.8 to avoid the gurus) | 20:59 |
| gdonner | FWIW my A3000's PSU was recapped recently, so no power issue there | 21:00 |
| - shanshe (QUIT: Ping timeout: 256 seconds) (~shanshe@ceduroam29.us.es) | 21:02 | |
| tryphoncosinus | Does it deliver more than 230W ? | 21:02 |
| mntmn | gdonner: that's probably 1.8s fault | 21:02 |
| gdonner | mntmn: ah, ok | 21:04 |
| gdonner | <tryphoncosinus>: let me check | 21:09 |
| - S0rin (QUIT: Ping timeout: 268 seconds) (~S0rin@user/s0rin) | 21:10 | |
| + S0rin (~S0rin@user/s0rin) | 21:12 | |
| gdonner | tryphoncosinus: not sure (my recap was done by an Amiga friend); it was strictly a recap, so should be the same watts as the original PSU | 21:12 |
| gdonner | tryphoncosinus: but I'm only using a small fraction of the power it should be providing, since I has a SCSI2SD, one floppy drive and only a few small cards | 21:13 |
| gdonner | *I have a SCSI2SD | 21:14 |
| gdonner | I haz cheezeburger too lol | 21:14 |
| tryphoncosinus | Anyway, I did not find any used A3000 PSU I could use. | 21:21 |
| gdonner | tryphoncosinus: yeah, A3000 PSUs are fairly rare, but occasionally show up on eBay | 21:22 |
| gdonner | (if you ever need to buy one) | 21:23 |
| tryphoncosinus | Yes I will check regularly. I need to conform that connector and power lines are compatible with the A2000 motherboard. | 21:29 |
| - shanshe_ (QUIT: Quit: Connection closed for inactivity) (uid398662@id-398662.lymington.irccloud.com) | 23:19 | |
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