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| _Bnu | USB bulak error 2. | 03:28 |
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| _Bnu | USB Bulak. | 09:55 |
| - xet7 (QUIT: Remote host closed the connection) (~xet7@user/xet7) | 09:57 | |
| + xet7 (~xet7@user/xet7) | 09:58 | |
| mntmn | i am thinking. | 13:26 |
| mntmn | what to put on my zz9000 usb stick and would it be possible to make some kind of free pre-installation environment | 13:26 |
| mntmn | or should i license amigaos3.2 and ship it on usb sticks | 13:26 |
| mntmn | i would like to have a bootable usb stick with some basic tools and maybe tcp/ip stack, whdload, adf mounting | 13:27 |
| mntmn | i wonder if it is possible to construct this from public domain / foss tools | 13:27 |
| mntmn | or do i need to license some stuff from hyperion | 13:27 |
| mntmn | my use case is i want to be able to stick zz9000 in an empty a2000/3000/4000 and make it immediately do stuff | 13:28 |
| _Bnu | Just put small dogs on the USB stick instead. | 13:28 |
| mntmn | i have only 1 small dog and i still need it!! | 13:28 |
| _Bnu | Anyway, there's some freeware version of Miami on AmiNet, I think? | 13:28 |
| mntmn | yeah | 13:29 |
| _Bnu | Good luck contacting Hyperion though. Or maybe they'll reply if you offer them money. | 13:29 |
| mntmn | also, mui is shareware and stuff | 13:29 |
| mntmn | naja alinea computer is my customer | 13:29 |
| mntmn | and they sell amigaos | 13:29 |
| mntmn | so maybe they could do that | 13:29 |
| mntmn | amigos vs amigaos who would win | 13:29 |
| _Bnu | They could probably sell you licenses to include with physical USB sticks, but that's probably about it. | 13:30 |
| mntmn | yeah | 13:30 |
| mntmn | but i don't really want to peddle in closed stuff i think | 13:30 |
| mntmn | at least not plan A | 13:30 |
| mntmn | i wonder if a workbench can be cobbled together from only free tools | 13:30 |
| _Bnu | Impossible. | 13:31 |
| mntmn | doesn't need to be workbench also | 13:31 |
| mntmn | can be dopus or something | 13:31 |
| mntmn | the question is what about the libraries | 13:31 |
| mntmn | a fun challenge perhaps | 13:32 |
| _Bnu | I mean, it's impossible to do it "legally". | 13:32 |
| mntmn | maybe some aros 68k parts are compatible? | 13:32 |
| mntmn | why do you think so, what would be the missing ingredient? | 13:32 |
| mntmn | i mean, an empty bootable disk already gives you a CLI | 13:32 |
| _Bnu | If you're already booting from the USB stick, I don't think bootstrapping the AROS kick would be very difficult. | 13:32 |
| mntmn | because that stuff is all in ROM | 13:33 |
| _Bnu | It does, but you would be limited to whatever is already in ROM. | 13:33 |
| _Bnu | So any 3.1.4 or 3.2 or 3.X ROM, instant no go since Workbench.library and Icon.library are not in there. | 13:33 |
| _Bnu | Of course, I don't use any of those, only 3.1. | 13:34 |
| _Bnu | If there's an free version of LoadWB, it might be doable to boot to a basic Workbench screen. | 13:34 |
| _Bnu | But you wouldn't be able to include any prefs utilities, or DOSdrivers or... well, everything. Maybe if you take a chance and include ones from 3.5 or 3.9. | 13:35 |
| _Bnu | But everything else either Cloanto or Hyperion (or both) owns. | 13:35 |
| mntmn | ah i think loadwb is actually only 1 library call or so | 13:35 |
| mntmn | that's all fine, nobody needs to tweak prefs | 13:36 |
| mntmn | i mean, this is only a preinstall environment | 13:36 |
| mntmn | it just needs to be able to go online and then you can download the ADFs with workbench or whatever. | 13:36 |
| mntmn | or just run some gamez which don't need OS stuff anyway. | 13:36 |
| mntmn | a bit like windows PE | 13:37 |
| mntmn | i will try this now | 13:38 |
| mntmn | while lasering keyboards... | 13:38 |
| mntmn | amiga-m68k-boot-floppy has all kind of tools in C | 13:44 |
| mntmn | of AROS | 13:44 |
| mntmn | > AROS Emergency Boot Floppy | 13:44 |
| mntmn | also has PIPE dosdriver and version.library ;) | 13:44 |
| mntmn | oh, linux has no problem to work directly with an USB stick that i partitioned on amiga | 14:05 |
| mntmn | RDB support baked in | 14:06 |
| mntmn | [1646429.589271] sdo: RDSK (512) sdo1 (DOS^A)(res 2 spb 1) sdo2 (PFS^C)(res 2 spb 1) | 14:06 |
| mntmn | AFFS support also baked in of course | 14:06 |
| mntmn | the bootdisk kinda works but some tools have problems with my physical 3.1.4 rom i think. loadwb wants libs/workbench.library | 14:13 |
| _Bnu | I mean I'll just say what I always do, don't use 3.1.4/3.2/3.X ROMs. | 14:14 |
| mntmn | yeah | 14:14 |
| mntmn | > In order to make room for the enhancements, the 3.X ROMs employ the same technique used by Commodore for the 4000T ROMs, i.e. ROM space was freed by moving workbench.library out of the ROM. This means that a "Libs/workbench.library" file must be present on the boot disk, as detailed below. | 14:14 |
| mntmn | i did not know this | 14:15 |
| mntmn | does the stock 3.1 rom also miss workbench.library? | 14:15 |
| _Bnu | Nope, it does not. | 14:15 |
| mntmn | i mean i can totally plög my old roms back in | 14:15 |
| mntmn | maybe this will lead to more happiness | 14:15 |
| _Bnu | It's just one of those things that were removed from newer ROMs to fit the hacked/updated scsi.device. | 14:15 |
| _Bnu | Because somehow it grew by some insane size. | 14:15 |
| mntmn | maybe for blueray support... | 14:16 |
| mntmn | i wonder if i ever had the stock roms... | 14:16 |
| mntmn | found em | 14:17 |
| mntmn | purple toshiba roms | 14:17 |
| mntmn | with a sticker Kickstart V 40.68, Amiga 3000-1 | 14:17 |
| mntmn | but that is v old no | 14:17 |
| _Bnu | Sounds like some flavor of 3.1? | 14:18 |
| mntmn | ah yes it is 3.1 | 14:18 |
| mntmn | sorry i somehow thought those version numbers are bigger | 14:18 |
| mntmn | ok lets plög it back an | 14:18 |
| mntmn | in | 14:18 |
| _Bnu | But yeah, the 3.1 A3000 ROM has some specific A3000 only stuff in it. | 14:19 |
| mntmn | rombus | 14:21 |
| mntmn | lets make a graphics card that plugs into the rom sockets... | 14:22 |
| mntmn | ok back to 3.1! feels good! | 14:23 |
| mntmn | authentic flavor | 14:23 |
| mntmn | no more hyperion | 14:23 |
| mntmn | ok this worked!! | 14:24 |
| mntmn | loadwb from aros | 14:24 |
| mntmn | i actually hope it is, and that they didn't just copy it from amigaos... | 14:24 |
| mntmn | this is how it looks like _Bnu https://twitter.com/mntmn/status/1422897084961894403/photo/1 | 14:37 |
| mntmn | i just need to figure out if these binaries are legit... i.e., that i won't get sued | 14:37 |
| mntmn | haha https://github.com/aros-development-team/AROS/blob/588ba457fbe834100452f4cbdea601bedd8a4774/workbench/c/LoadWB.c | 14:40 |
| mntmn | it is really tiny | 14:40 |
| mntmn | confused by Miami 32b vs 32b2 | 14:48 |
| _Bnu | replacement ramdrive.device for a persistent boot volume in some of that 256MB? that would help boot times! <- No it wouldn't... | 14:49 |
| _Bnu | But yes, the only problem is that it won't work with non-standard ROMs. And people love shoving that 3.1.4/3.2/3.X crapware into their computers, haha. | 14:50 |
| _Bnu | If you can ignore their complaining though, it's a good solution. | 14:50 |
| mntmn | haha i will totes ignore | 14:52 |
| mntmn | people who have 3.1.4 can just copy their workbench.library to it | 14:52 |
| mntmn | that they have licensed... | 14:52 |
| mntmn | and you are right, it wouldn't be faster, because zorro is the limit. | 14:53 |
| mntmn | wot is this https://aminet.net/package/misc/os/aros-orca-m68k | 14:59 |
| mntmn | ah i am stoopid. there is also aros ISO of course with the full system. | 15:00 |
| mntmn | i guess i shall get libs from it | 15:00 |
| _Bnu | SmallSnakes.library | 15:10 |
| _Bnu | I booted WB 3.1 with the AROS ROM on the PiStorm a while back... it wasn't a great experience. :D | 15:11 |
| _Bnu | I can't imagine it not being a giant waste of CPU time even with a modern computer and a fast interface to the video card. | 15:12 |
| mntmn | yeah i don't want all that stuff | 15:14 |
| mntmn | just the tooling | 15:14 |
| mntmn | will check that out now | 15:15 |
| mntmn | i wonder where i put my scsi terminators... | 15:16 |
| mntmn | the builtin scsi that is now empty delays boot | 15:17 |
| _Bnu | I sold them... | 15:17 |
| _Bnu | Also, apparently the IDE terminator in my A4000 is likely what makes the RTC run too fast. | 15:18 |
| _Bnu | But I don't want to remove it, because then it takes ages to boot... | 15:18 |
| mntmn | haha | 15:18 |
| mntmn | need a nice little freeware text editor... | 15:18 |
| mntmn | vim is too big maybe | 15:18 |
| _Bnu | Just run edit.com in DOSbox... | 15:19 |
| _Bnu | http://aminet.net/text/edit Only 317 packages to browse... | 15:20 |
| mntmn | _Bnu: did you know edit.com is qbasic? | 15:21 |
| _Bnu | Maybe there's an Amiga cover disk with an old free version of ced somewhere... | 15:21 |
| mntmn | (i did not know) | 15:21 |
| mntmn | > Emacs-19.25 for the Amiga | 15:21 |
| mntmn | well that's lightweight for sure | 15:21 |
| mntmn | ;3 | 15:21 |
| _Bnu | Aha! Amiga Computing cover disk, november 1995. | 15:23 |
| _Bnu | Includes a free version of ced... 4.something? Maybe 3. | 15:23 |
| _Bnu | lol | 15:24 |
| _Bnu | It's the one Amiga Computing coverdisk that hasn't been dumped... | 15:25 |
| _Bnu | Or at least I don't have it. | 15:25 |
| _Bnu | Well, that sucks, otherwise that would've been a viable alternative. | 15:26 |
| mntmn | haha | 15:27 |
| mntmn | there is Redit, but it doesn't have a license! http://aminet.net/package/text/edit/Redit | 15:27 |
| mntmn | also german readme, lulz | 15:27 |
| mntmn | there's Jed and jade | 15:27 |
| mntmn | i will try them all... | 15:28 |
| mntmn | aros includes ridiculously huge icons only | 15:33 |
| mntmn | the assign command from aros is broken, will need another one | 15:35 |
| mntmn | AssPlus! https://aminet.net/package/util/cli/assplu14 | 15:37 |
| _Bnu | Finally ass plus. | 15:37 |
| mntmn | lets hope it does the job :3 | 15:39 |
| Claude | http://ftp.uni-bayreuth.de/packages/editors/vim/amiga/ | 15:40 |
| Claude | oh nm, missed the vim is too big line :) | 15:41 |
| mntmn | maybe it's not, but i will try. it should also work well on 68000 7mhz | 15:42 |
| pasik | time for zzedit! | 15:43 |
| pasik | ;) | 15:43 |
| pasik | gpu accelerated only on zz9000! | 15:44 |
| mntmn | AssPlus does not do the job. | 15:44 |
| _Bnu | Free edition CygnusEdit would probably work great. | 15:45 |
| _Bnu | Since that was before they went all out with version 5. | 15:45 |
| mntmn | ok! | 15:52 |
| mntmn | now where to get a working Assign... | 15:52 |
| mntmn | maybe i can compile it with bebbo-gcc https://github.com/aros-development-team/AROS/blob/588ba457fbe834100452f4cbdea601bedd8a4774/workbench/c/Assign.c | 15:53 |
| mntmn | > Assign.c:195:5: error: unknown type name 'IPTR' | 15:54 |
| mntmn | lol https://aros.sourceforge.io/documentation/developers/app-dev/exec-library.php#iptr | 15:54 |
| mntmn | wow that code is a ~mess~ | 15:58 |
| mntmn | #ifdef __MORPHOS__ | 15:58 |
| mntmn | static | 15:58 |
| mntmn | void deferputch_trampoline(void) | 15:58 |
| mntmn | { | 15:58 |
| mntmn | UBYTE ch = (UBYTE) REG_D0; | 15:58 |
| mntmn | struct localdata *ld = (struct localdata *) REG_A3; | 15:58 |
| mntmn | deferputch(ch, ld); | 15:58 |
| mntmn | } | 15:58 |
| mntmn | etc etc | 15:58 |
| mntmn | haha my hacked together version just crashes. | 16:10 |
| mntmn | this builds with bebbo-gcc but crashes: http://dump.mntmn.com/Assign.c | 16:11 |
| _Bnu | Ah, make sure you don't mix up BPTRs and APTRs. | 16:14 |
| _Bnu | Random BPTRs are kind of common in regular AmigaOS. | 16:14 |
| _Bnu | I see some BPTRs in there... | 16:15 |
| mntmn | yeah i need to add some debugging porhaps | 16:22 |
| mntmn | and so the terrible amiga replacement tools were borned... | 16:23 |
| mntmn | mhm so a bptr always points to a 32 bit word and also is divided by 4 | 16:25 |
| _Bnu | Yep. | 16:29 |
| mntmn | ouch | 16:37 |
| mntmn | /* FIXME: Remove these #define xxxBase hacks | 16:37 |
| mntmn | Do not use this in new code ! | 16:37 |
| mntmn | */ | 16:37 |
| _Bnu | Low nibble, high nibble. | 16:42 |
| _Bnu | High high low. | 16:42 |
| _Bnu | That's probably why it reads $100/$02 first, shifts it, and then it can just and it with the next read. | 16:43 |
| _Bnu | Wrong window... | 16:43 |
| mntmn | that's what they all say! | 16:44 |
| mntmn | i put a printf in my assign program. it says hello! | 16:44 |
| mntmn | then it crashes. | 16:45 |
| _Bnu | hello :) | 16:46 |
| _Bnu | How passive aggressive is that smiley, on a scale... | 16:57 |
| mntmn | there is 2 levels of worse | 17:17 |
| mntmn | ;) | 17:17 |
| mntmn | and ;-) | 17:17 |
| mntmn | last is the absolute worst | 17:17 |
| mntmn | what's the normal version of utility.library? | 17:20 |
| _Bnu | Uh, not sure. It didn't exist pre 2.0, I think? | 17:21 |
| _Bnu | Well, maybe in some pre-2.0 beta... | 17:21 |
| mntmn | maybe 37 | 17:21 |
| mntmn | aros has a version 50 one | 17:21 |
| mntmn | unclear why assign would need it | 17:21 |
| _Bnu | I remember bustest requiring utility.library, so I couldn't run it on Kick 1.3. | 17:22 |
| mntmn | pfft i commented it out and it is not even used... | 17:22 |
| _Bnu | 8D | 17:23 |
| mntmn | The assign command has many switches. This together with the somewhat | 17:23 |
| mntmn | messy handling of DosList:s by dos.library makes the operation rather | 17:23 |
| mntmn | complicated. | 17:23 |
| mntmn | > many switches | 17:23 |
| mntmn | > messy handling | 17:23 |
| mntmn | ideal! | 17:23 |
| _Bnu | There are many unintentional side effects due to how Assign works/worked, yeah. | 17:23 |
| mntmn | i wish i had fs-uae installed... | 17:25 |
| _Bnu | I don't... >:D | 17:26 |
| _Bnu | Any emulator designed to be a fancy game launcher, I don't really care for, haha. | 17:26 |
| _Bnu | Unless it's, like... Rare Replay on the Xbox. | 17:27 |
| _Bnu | So I can play Blast Corps. | 17:27 |
| mntmn | it's just UAE! | 17:27 |
| mntmn | and i said that so i don't have to copy my new version of assign to the usb stick and reboot every time i want to test a new printf... | 17:27 |
| _Bnu | Yeah, except it has all these weird WHDLoad things for little preview images and stuff... | 17:28 |
| _Bnu | That's all I ever see if fs-uae on Twitch, haha. | 17:28 |
| mntmn | hmm i did not know that | 17:28 |
| mntmn | perhaps there are different launchers | 17:28 |
| mntmn | looks like this is crashing: OpenLibrary("dos.library",37); | 17:29 |
| mntmn | lul | 17:29 |
| _Bnu | But how... | 17:29 |
| mntmn | execbase wrong | 17:30 |
| _Bnu | 444 | 17:30 |
| _Bnu | But how does execbase wrong... | 17:30 |
| mntmn | i think i wronged it | 17:31 |
| _Bnu | Stop that. ('A`) | 17:31 |
| mntmn | ok!!! | 17:31 |
| mntmn | i wonder how they defined BNULL | 17:32 |
| mntmn | my guess is (BPTR)0 | 17:32 |
| mntmn | ok no more crash! | 17:33 |
| mntmn | it was execbaase | 17:33 |
| mntmn | just arglist parsing doesn't work, i need to see how AmigaDOS vs Posix arg parsing works | 17:34 |
| mntmn | mhm > Normally gets the arguments by reading buffered IO from Input(), | 17:35 |
| _Bnu | Angrily gets the arguments from nowhere... | 17:44 |
| _Bnu | That was my experience with trying to use command line arguments, lol. | 17:44 |
| mntmn | apt install fs-uae... | 17:46 |
| _Bnu | apt install aros | 17:47 |
| _Bnu | Why isn't AROS the default operating system for the Reform anyway... so you can have the world's worst basic graphics driver... | 17:48 |
| mntmn | LOL | 18:00 |
| mntmn | i can tell you something. | 18:00 |
| mntmn | my Assign doesn't do anything anymore, not even hello | 18:00 |
| mntmn | how did i break it... | 18:00 |
| mntmn | lol, -O2 fixed it | 18:06 |
| mntmn | looks like stdio printf does not mix well | 18:25 |
| mntmn | yeah i have to use amiga Printf | 18:26 |
| mntmn | ok it's finally starting to work | 18:29 |
| mntmn | custom assign! http://dump.mntmn.com/screenshot-2021-08-04-18-29-17.png | 18:29 |
| mntmn | free and open source: http://dump.mntmn.com/Assign | 18:33 |
| mntmn | ;) | 18:33 |
| mntmn | next on the list is "Version" | 18:35 |
| - WoC (QUIT: Remote host closed the connection) (woc@2603-8080-cd40-00c6-eaaf-8a29-4225-dc1f.res6.spectrum.com) | 18:35 | |
| + WoC (woc@2603-8080-cd40-00c6-eaaf-8a29-4225-dc1f.res6.spectrum.com) | 18:36 | |
| mntmn | lol that's fucked up, they copied a whole md5 implementation into it https://raw.githubusercontent.com/aros-development-team/AROS/588ba457fbe834100452f4cbdea601bedd8a4774/workbench/c/Version.c | 18:36 |
| - WoC (QUIT: Remote host closed the connection) (woc@2603-8080-cd40-00c6-eaaf-8a29-4225-dc1f.res6.spectrum.com) | 18:37 | |
| + WoC (woc@2603-8080-cd40-00c6-eaaf-8a29-4225-dc1f.res6.spectrum.com) | 18:37 | |
| _Bnu | It is necessary. | 18:51 |
| mntmn | haha | 18:52 |
| mntmn | tested for you: the AROS workbench tools+utilities do not work. | 18:52 |
| _Bnu | Needs the AROS ROM, probably. | 18:53 |
| _Bnu | AROS is backwards compatible with AmigaOS things (most of the time), but as far as I know AROS things can't run on Workbench. | 18:53 |
| mntmn | yep | 18:55 |
| mntmn | that is so | 18:55 |
| mntmn | at least my Assign tool works... it is so powerful | 18:55 |
| mntmn | and a lot of the other command binaries work. IconX crashes. away it goes | 18:57 |
| mntmn | IPrefs kaput. | 18:58 |
| mntmn | these are things that people wrote replacements for, luckily | 18:58 |
| mntmn | haha https://aminet.net/package/util/boot/FastIPrefs4035 | 18:59 |
| mntmn | ** THIS IS NOT THE TROJAN ** | 18:59 |
| _Bnu | Why not... needs more viruses. | 19:00 |
| mntmn | yeah | 19:01 |
| mntmn | Mount doesn't work because it wants a newer exec... | 19:01 |
| mntmn | ok cool http://aminet.net/package/util/cli/Mount-AmigaOS | 19:01 |
| mntmn | i am creating FrankenOS | 19:02 |
| mntmn | the mount replacement works | 19:11 |
| mntmn | my god, AROS asl.library depends on coolimages.library, cybergraphics.library and oop.library | 19:17 |
| mntmn | and if you collect all of these pokemon, it crashes... | 19:18 |
| mntmn | zack http://aminet.net/package/util/libs/NewReqLibs18 | 19:22 |
| mntmn | hey did you know Alias works globally? | 19:27 |
| mntmn | you can do Alias Ed SYS:Tools/Redit2.0/Redit and it works everywhere | 19:27 |
| mntmn | that's cool | 19:28 |
| mntmn | haha InstallerNG is _not_ happy | 19:29 |
| mntmn | the Installer-43_3.lha license is a bit nasty | 19:32 |
| _Bnu | Yeah. | 19:46 |
| _Bnu | It's like, it's there, you can use it if you want, but maybe not. | 19:46 |
| mntmn | yeah it doesn't seem like a real license | 19:55 |
| mntmn | struggling to get MUI to work. it can't open muimaster.library. | 19:56 |
| mntmn | my guess is that locale.library is not working. will try snoopdos | 19:56 |
| mntmn | ok fixed it | 20:01 |
| mntmn | MUI needs commodities.library | 20:01 |
| mntmn | and the one from AROS luckily works... | 20:01 |
| mntmn | ok now we can use NewInstaller (MUI based) instead of vague escom installer | 20:03 |
| mntmn | ok miamiDX seems to be that 30 minutes timeout version | 20:17 |
| _Bnu | Weird, I thought the AmiNet one was supposed to come with the key file? | 20:21 |
| _Bnu | At least that was the impression I got. | 20:21 |
| mntmn | there are 2 on aminet | 20:21 |
| mntmn | like, 2 versions | 20:21 |
| mntmn | i'll try the non-Dx one now | 20:21 |
| _Bnu | Good. | 20:21 |
| mntmn | do you use KingCON? | 20:22 |
| mntmn | oh, i'm finding this too late, it's a shell with built-in assign and stuffs... http://aminet.net/package/util/shell/ZShell | 20:23 |
| _Bnu | I don't really use anything... I use either OS 3.1 or OS 3.9, whatever they come with, haha. | 20:28 |
| mntmn | ok. i just miss tab completion and stuff | 20:33 |
| mntmn | or going back to the last command... | 20:33 |
| mntmn | i think the "Shell" thing on workbench can go back to previous commands | 20:33 |
| mntmn | but NewCLI can't | 20:33 |
| mntmn | or am i holding it wrong | 20:33 |
| _Bnu | Up, up, up... | 20:37 |
| _Bnu | You're supposed to use roll up/down, of course. | 20:37 |
| _Bnu | Just connect your X68000 keyboard. | 20:37 |
| mntmn | haha | 20:39 |
| mntmn | question! | 20:39 |
| mntmn | when i have a Default Tool in an .info, where does AmigaDOS look for this tool? | 20:39 |
| mntmn | i mean what is the search path | 20:39 |
| mntmn | weirdly, there's something like "More" in some readmes there, but that doesn't find C:More | 20:46 |
| mntmn | only if i change it to C:More | 20:46 |
| mntmn | also, NewCli's default path seems to be RAM: instead of SYS:, maybe related | 20:47 |
| mntmn | _Bnu: the other miami on aminet also does not include a key, is an "EVALUATION VERSION". | 20:51 |
| mntmn | amitcp is probably the way to go for later, as it is GNU | 20:54 |
| - RobDangerous (QUIT: Ping timeout: 245 seconds) (~Thunderbi@p200300ec8f3e1c0079e4f9f2376e6b93.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) | 21:06 | |
| + RobDangerous (~Thunderbi@p200300ec8f3e1c0079e4f9f2376e6b93.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) | 21:18 | |
| mntmn | more bizarre licenses: | 21:19 |
| mntmn | This software is Open Source without any limitations except the following usage: | 21:19 |
| mntmn | ·by public institutions of states not respecting human rights, e.g. states | 21:19 |
| mntmn | executing death penalty | 21:19 |
| mntmn | ·for military purposes | 21:19 |
| mntmn | ·for criminal purposes | 21:19 |
| mntmn | is any of the webbrowsers free? | 22:00 |
| mntmn | except netsurf | 22:00 |
| RobDangerous | Speaking of bizarre - a new Zool game is coming: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qg4ip2bKNOI | 22:00 |
| _Bnu | Guns. | 22:05 |
| _Bnu | Also yes, that thing I used on my A4000 is free. | 22:05 |
| _Bnu | What's it called, AmiWeb? Only the 68000 build seems to work properly, though. | 22:06 |
| mntmn | aweb maybe? | 22:06 |
| mntmn | this one? http://aminet.net/package/comm/www/AWeb-3.5.09-68000 | 22:06 |
| _Bnu | Maybe... I can't be held responsible for the name of software... | 22:06 |
| mntmn | > Requires:dev/gui/ClassAct2Demo.lha | 22:10 |
| mntmn | mhm mhm | 22:10 |
| apolkosnik[m] | 3.2 already has CAldi's ClassAct | 22:25 |
| mntmn | yeah i'm working with 3.1 | 22:27 |
| mntmn | right now | 22:27 |
| mntmn | putting together a "freeware" workbench | 22:27 |
| forcie | mntmn: https://www.retrospace.net/download/ami/ | 22:28 |
| forcie | there are keys for miami dx | 22:28 |
| forcie | MiamiDXKeys.lha | 22:28 |
| apolkosnik[m] | Ok, just steal one from vampires ;-) | 22:28 |
| mntmn | yes but these are not redistributable | 22:28 |
| forcie | certainly not | 22:28 |
| mntmn | i'm doing a stunt where i'm cobbling together stuff only that's copyable | 22:29 |
| apolkosnik[m] | Their AROS clone? | 22:29 |
| forcie | there never was a free release iirc | 22:29 |
| mntmn | also using some stuff from AROS m68k (some commands and libraries) | 22:29 |
| apolkosnik[m] | I didn't mean the coffin | 22:29 |
| forcie | there is no free TCP/IP stack except for AmiTCP 3.x | 22:29 |
| mntmn | well, that's one | 22:29 |
| apolkosnik[m] | And AmiTCP 3.x does not do DHCP | 22:30 |
| forcie | this is why people bundle the roadshow demo in distros etc. | 22:30 |
| forcie | yeah, no DHCP support and it is pretty flaky to set up | 22:30 |
| forcie | well there ARE other free stacks but they are even more primitive | 22:31 |
| mntmn | so far i have quite a usable workbench without using any original workbench files... | 22:32 |
| forcie | for example there is the super oldschool KA9Q TCP which works fine on kickstart 1.x :) | 22:32 |
| mntmn | ha | 22:34 |
| forcie | http://aminet.net/package/comm/tcp/AmigaTCP | 22:34 |
| forcie | nice if you want to access the internet over SLIP or so | 22:34 |
| mntmn | wow | 22:38 |
| mntmn | > It runs on IBM PC and clones, the Apple Macintosh, and the Amiga. | 22:38 |
| mntmn | hmm, zz9000 is somehow borked with p96 from aminet | 22:39 |
| mntmn | ohhh because of the chiptype perhaps? | 22:40 |
| _Bnu | Yes. | 22:40 |
| _Bnu | If you aren't using the latest drivers (gcc-test) or some really old ones, it won't work. | 22:40 |
| mntmn | ja ok | 22:40 |
| _Bnu | (Because it freaks out due to the chip type index.) | 22:40 |
| mntmn | it goes verrückt | 22:40 |
| mntmn | yeah i installed zz9000 via the official archive to test that | 22:42 |
| mntmn | (1.8 archive) | 22:42 |
| forcie | https://twitter.com/chainq/status/1423012546622201862/photo/1 | 22:43 |
| forcie | only updated ssh client on amiga now :D | 22:44 |
| forcie | mntmn: here is the KA9Q authors web page, it was actually one of the first available TCP stacks for many systems: http://www.ka9q.net/code/ka9qnos/ | 22:45 |
| forcie | interesting piece of internet history. | 22:45 |
| mntmn | pretty cool | 22:47 |
| mntmn | ok so i have working rtg now... | 22:55 |
| mntmn | pretty funny how far you can get with only aminet warez | 22:55 |
| mntmn | aweb crashes because it needs colorwheel.gadget | 23:13 |
| mntmn | yay http://aminet.net/package/dev/gui/ColorWheel | 23:13 |
| mntmn | sorry for fugly mirabox capture, but... http://dump.mntmn.com/screenshot-2021-08-04-23-17-36.png | 23:18 |
| pasik | nice :) | 23:23 |
| forcie | Workbench->Backdrop, Window->Snapshot->All | 23:54 |
| forcie | WB in a window like it is win3.11 is scary :) | 23:54 |
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