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| BlinkyBill | greetings all | 06:58 |
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| BlinkyBill | Does anyone have or have any info on setting up 1600x1200 P96 mode for use with the ZZ9000? | 06:59 |
| BlinkyBill | The supplied 1.8 drivers go from 1280x1024 to the next step up which is 1920x1080, skipping 1440x900, 1600x1200, and 1680x1050 | 07:03 |
| _Bnu | As for 1600x1200, you can just add it using Picasso96Settings in Prefs. | 07:41 |
| _Bnu | 1440x900 and 1680x1050 have no entries in the firmware and can't really be used. | 07:42 |
| BlinkyBill | Thanks for that, trying now... | 07:42 |
| BlinkyBill | Awesome! 1600x1200 seems to work fine. I have Clock 100 MHz, Framesize H 2000 V 1320 SyncSize H 64 V 8 Frequency H 50khz V 37 Hz | 07:46 |
| BlinkyBill | Now onto last issue, is anyone having issues with WHDLoad games after installing ZZ9000? Previous config is a Hesse A4000TX board, with 2MB Chip and 16 MB Fast ram. All WHDLoad games wout work fine. Now with ZZ9000 more games/demo crash than run | 07:48 |
| BlinkyBill | Eg: Turrican II works fine, but Pinball Fastasies AGA, Pinball Illusions AGA, Pinball Mania AGA all crash | 07:48 |
| BlinkyBill | Somehow I'm think just maybe the 256MB Z3 Fast ram could be the problem? Any thoughts on troubleshooting this? | 07:50 |
| _Bnu | Hm, do you not have any other Fast RAM in the computer? | 07:52 |
| _Bnu | In general, that's the only time the Z3 Fast is really used, since even the motherboard Fast is well... faster than Fast RAM over Zorro III. | 07:52 |
| BlinkyBill | Yes I have 16 MB Fast + the ZZ9000, ZZ9000 presents 256MB | 07:52 |
| _Bnu | I had no issues running Pinball Fantasies AGA on my A4000, other than the usual 68060 mysteries. | 07:53 |
| _Bnu | But the Z3 Fast has been known to cause problems on some computers. As for why, I'm not sure yet. | 07:54 |
| BlinkyBill | So loading Pinball Fantasies I get to the tables selection page, select 1 Partyland, and get Exception Access Fault $B008, PC=$7E734CE Task inputdevice, ExpMem $24CE Long Write to $4C490000 | 07:55 |
| _Bnu | Yeah, that's most likely the Z3 Fast RAM, but I see the game is running from mobo Fast... | 07:59 |
| _Bnu | So why is it loading data into Z3 Fast... How much Fast RAM do you have free in Workbench? | 07:59 |
| BlinkyBill | 278,284,072 | 08:00 |
| _Bnu | That definitely sounds like almost 15MB free. | 08:00 |
| _Bnu | If you do ShowConfig, what does it say about memory pool priorities? | 08:00 |
| _Bnu | Z3 Fast can be disabled, but not easily... at least not currently. Most likely something will be added to 1.9 for that. | 08:01 |
| _Bnu | There is a firmware in http://www.apehead.se/snakes9000 with Z3 Fast disabled, but you might be unable to load the driver unless you use one of the .card files from snakes9000 as well because I forgot to update the firmware version when I compiled it. | 08:01 |
| BlinkyBill | yeah I'm running 1.9 beta f/w, but same behavior on 1.8 as well | 08:02 |
| _Bnu | Ah, okay. Yeah, Z3 Fast RAM behavior is identical in 1.9 beta and 1.8. | 08:02 |
| BlinkyBill | As for showconfig 16 meg $505 | 08:02 |
| BlinkyBill | 256 meg $405 | 08:02 |
| _Bnu | Hm, doesn't it list a priority thingy for the RAM? | 08:03 |
| BlinkyBill | 2 meg chip $703 | 08:03 |
| _Bnu | My A4000 isn't currently working well, so I can't really check. | 08:03 |
| BlinkyBill | not really seeing priorty, is there a newer version of show_config? | 08:03 |
| _Bnu | No, you're right, it doesn't say... but it should be listing them in the order it prioritizes them at least. | 08:04 |
| _Bnu | So I wonder why WHDLoad is skipping mobo Fast in favor of Z3... | 08:04 |
| BlinkyBill | in that case 16 MB first, 256 Mb second, 2 MB chip last | 08:06 |
| BlinkyBill | Otherwise the card is awesome lol, can't wait for the Linux integration to come along further | 08:10 |
| BlinkyBill | Just loaded SlamTilt AGA and Shadow of the Beast and they seem fine, just many other games (that used to work fine) just crash :( | 08:20 |
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| mntmn | BlinkyBill: if i don't forget, i can make a fastram-less test fw later today | 12:11 |
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| BlinkyBill | mntmn: would it be possible the disable the zz9000 in software (maybe in the future release). Kind like the "No Fast Ram" utility. | 12:21 |
| BlinkyBill | Ultimate setup would be to retain the Z3 Fast RAM, then selectively turn it off when running WHDLoad (or other stuff that doesn't like it). Interestingly I had similar issues when I had 128MB installed the SIMM slots. WB stuff would run great but WHDLoad was flakey for many games and demos | 12:23 |
| _Bnu | Huh. | 12:24 |
| _Bnu | I thought 64 or 96MB was the Max for onboard Fast. | 12:24 |
| _Bnu | (With GAL mods and stuff. I don't have any of that.) | 12:24 |
| BlinkyBill | Yeah I had 128MB worth of fast but only 96 or something like that was detected | 12:25 |
| BlinkyBill | or was it 110 MB (i forget now) | 12:25 |
| _Bnu | As far as I know at least, there's "only" 96MB of mappable space available for mobo Fast. | 12:25 |
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| _Bnu | It's of course possible that there could be more available in some "reserved" range somewhere. | 12:26 |
| BlinkyBill | Yep, you're probably right, gave up on the it prettt quickly when games crashed | 12:26 |
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| pasik | _Bnu: A4000TX allows 128 MB total simms on the motherboard, of which 112 MB can be used (Meutoxo tweak) | 12:28 |
| + RobDangerous (~Thunderbi@p200300ec8f00de00ecaaefa2488f772f.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) | 12:28 | |
| BlinkyBill | Yep just google the specs now | 12:28 |
| BlinkyBill | https://www.amibay.com/showthread.php?101477-A4000TX-ATX-Amiga-motherboard&p=975713&viewfull=1#post975713 | 12:28 |
| _Bnu | Actually, 64MB total. But there's also 48MB "reserved", which I assume can safely be used. | 12:29 |
| _Bnu | So 112MB in total. | 12:29 |
| mntmn | amiga has a memory list, idk if you can remove nodes without problems, lets see | 12:29 |
| BlinkyBill | Awesome motherboard btw, easily the best way of getting a "modern" A4000 | 12:30 |
| _Bnu | I don't think you can, since memory stuff is done first in the AutoConfig chain... | 12:30 |
| _Bnu | So memory may be allocated in that space already, depending on what priority AutoConf gives it. | 12:30 |
| mntmn | haha while looking for this i found something else that made me go "wat" https://aminet.net/package/util/misc/ussload | 12:31 |
| _Bnu | But mmh, as far as I know there's only AddMemList. | 12:37 |
| emiespo[m] | I also dropped my SD yesterday, but it fell outside of the case. Possibly the “biggest” ;-) design flaw of the ZZ9000 ahah 😜 it’s really hard sometimes to slide the card because the backplate frame is in the way. Not that one changes firmware every day… | 12:37 |
| _Bnu | You could make it do AddMemList in a ZZ9000 boot ROM instead, and have that work based on what's in a config file on the USB stick or something. | 12:38 |
| emiespo[m] | <BlinkyBill "Awesome motherboard btw, easily "> I’d get a spare one, given the one I have now is a bit flakey at times… but the fact that you have to source the rest of the chips yourself puts me off :-( | 12:38 |
| _Bnu | I did that on Kickstart 1.3 in the PiSCSI boot ROM, so you could get 128MB of Fast even on there with the PiStorm. | 12:39 |
| _Bnu | Requires a 32-bit CPU of course, but then so does everything else, in a practical sense. | 12:40 |
| RobDangerous | Oh, looks like I missed a bit of fun A4000TX talk. There's no chatlog of this channel, is there? | 12:40 |
| BlinkyBill | Is there any talk of pistorms being available for the 3000/4000 cpu connector? | 12:40 |
| _Bnu | I still don't know why people want all these features completely unsuitable for a 68000 working in 68000 mode, lolb. | 12:40 |
| BlinkyBill | Rob the A4000TX is mine if you have any questions, shoot | 12:41 |
| _Bnu | A "PiStorm32" is planned for 32-bit computers, targeting the A1200 to begin with. | 12:41 |
| _Bnu | But you could adapt an A1200 "accelerator" to the A3000/4000 CPU slot connector. | 12:41 |
| BlinkyBill | Please tell me it's using a CM4 instead of a Pi3 | 12:42 |
| RobDangerous | Just wondering if something interesting/helpful was said before I rejoined. I have one, too. | 12:42 |
| _Bnu | I won't tell you that, but they're technically the same as far as GPIO goes. | 12:42 |
| mntmn | RobDangerous: there is actually a chatlog i think, but it's not linked in the topic 4 some reason | 12:42 |
| _Bnu | You can get a CM4 carrier board and connect it to a regular PiStorm, though it won't work with the current firmware. | 12:43 |
| BlinkyBill | Did you get hesse to assemble it for you, man the quality of mine was mint | 12:43 |
| mntmn | indeeds https://mntre.com/amiga-irc-logs/ | 12:44 |
| RobDangerous | I don't even know, got a fully assembled one from ebay. But it's looking good and the only problem I had so far is that the ZZ9000 only works in the first Zorro slot. | 12:44 |
| RobDangerous | Ah, logs. Thanks! | 12:44 |
| * ChanServ changed mode (+o, mntmn) | 12:45 | |
| BlinkyBill | Rob wouldn't you want it in the first zorro slot, since thats where the video slot is? | 12:45 |
| * TOPIC: snakes on a bitplane! home of the MNT ZZ9000 maintainers. logs: https://mntre.com/amiga-irc-logs/ (by mntmn) | 12:45 | |
| _Bnu | Either way, there's nothing stopping you from having a way to connect either Pi 3 or CM4, except for someone designing a board for it. | 12:46 |
| _Bnu | https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/836236986443890710/865677849829441556/DSC_1575.JPG | 12:46 |
| RobDangerous | I wanted it in the second for some nicer cable management with a Buddha - but no big deal. Mostly I'm just wondering why it doesn't work. | 12:46 |
| mntmn | _Bnu: pretty intense boards btw | 12:47 |
| _Bnu | No idea about models other than the A4000D, unfortunately. The ZZ9000 works in any slot on my A4000. | 12:47 |
| _Bnu | Or it would, if my A4000 worked . . . | 12:47 |
| mntmn | :O | 12:47 |
| BlinkyBill | Rob so other zorro cards work in the other A4000TX Z3 slots? | 12:50 |
| RobDangerous | Yes | 12:50 |
| _Bnu | Do they work in Z3 mode? | 12:50 |
| BlinkyBill | hmmm you want me to test my ZZ9000 in the second slot? | 12:50 |
| RobDangerous | Only tried a Buddha, that's Zorro 2 AFAIK. | 12:50 |
| RobDangerous | Oh, yes, that would be cool. | 12:51 |
| _Bnu | There's this one pecularity about the ZZ9000, it can only configure in Z3 autoconf space when using the Z3 firmware. | 12:51 |
| BlinkyBill | OK, Hang 5, maybe 10 | 12:51 |
| RobDangerous | No hurry. | 12:51 |
| RobDangerous | And I just read about your whdload problems. I didn't notice any after putting the card in. I'll give the Pinball games a try in the evening. | 12:52 |
| RobDangerous | And the new beta firmware. | 12:53 |
| BlinkyBill | Try Pinball Fanastasies AGA, Pinball Illusions AGA and Pinball Mania AGA | 12:55 |
| RobDangerous | Will do. | 12:55 |
| BlinkyBill | ok here we go, card swapped | 12:57 |
| BlinkyBill | Yep works fine to Amige Startup Control (left right mouse held at boot) | 12:58 |
| BlinkyBill | Booting to WB now | 12:58 |
| RobDangerous | oho | 12:58 |
| BlinkyBill | And workbench loads too | 12:59 |
| BlinkyBill | Hold on I'll take a photo and upload it | 12:59 |
| RobDangerous | In a ZZ9000 mode? | 12:59 |
| BlinkyBill | 1600x1200 | 12:59 |
| BlinkyBill | RTG | 12:59 |
| RobDangerous | All right, pretty sure that's not AGA. | 12:59 |
| BlinkyBill | actually I'll stick up a pic of my WHDLoad crash on too | 13:00 |
| RobDangerous | So I guess I should check some solder joints on my board or something. | 13:00 |
| BlinkyBill | Do you mind me asking what you paid for the board? | 13:01 |
| mntmn | just ooc ran sysspeed on reform in amiberry, getting 198677 dhrystones (10x 040/25) | 13:02 |
| BlinkyBill | OK WTF! Pinball Mania works now! | 13:02 |
| BlinkyBill | hmmmm, | 13:02 |
| RobDangerous | Lots, it was a complete system including a A3660 and a crappy PC case and power supply. | 13:02 |
| BlinkyBill | Network card not connected, usb not connected, just HDMI | 13:03 |
| RobDangerous | oho | 13:03 |
| BlinkyBill | lemme reboot and add one network, then usb | 13:03 |
| RobDangerous | Haven't used usb and ethernet at all so far. | 13:04 |
| BlinkyBill | Here you go ZZ9000 in second A4000TX Z3 Slot | 13:05 |
| BlinkyBill | https://sn3302files.storage.live.com/y4mLLiVQYGwH6hOolbzShyOGWbWWlTgr2KVj4Cmj8hyV_ubWtwOAch4AQstgYEuYTJtdec51DmrP7p9tRYSwi5dXnWnaNvSI3byfekzJ2YSD6wIopBKOqXe8z0_UK7R4Prw9OUh20efyR_u8hAFBx5b1NKImsqXxcUc0ahEmr2EOLKCKDsyXwlbyesfNO0SorbV?width=1024&height=768&cropmode=none | 13:05 |
| BlinkyBill | Ahhh ha! when the network stack is active the picky games crash | 13:06 |
| RobDangerous | Nice nice. | 13:07 |
| RobDangerous | And apparently you fixed all of your games, that's also nice. | 13:08 |
| mntmn | amiga laptop https://twitter.com/mntmn/status/1418890581368000515/photo/1 | 13:08 |
| RobDangerous | You are cheating. Still cool. | 13:09 |
| BlinkyBill | mntmn: any thoughts on why the networking stack would interfere with WHDLoad, would be the network device maybe/ | 13:10 |
| BlinkyBill | mntmn: any thoughts on why the networking stack would interfere with WHDLoad, would be the network device maybe? | 13:10 |
| mntmn | BlinkyBill: ah yes, i think this is a known whdload problem | 13:11 |
| mntmn | RobDangerous: yeah, it feels pretty immersive at 960x540 because it perfectly scales to the display | 13:11 |
| mntmn | BlinkyBill: which network stack you using? | 13:12 |
| BlinkyBill | Roadshow | 13:12 |
| mntmn | hmhm | 13:12 |
| mntmn | whdload latest version? | 13:12 |
| Jope | it will always fail | 13:12 |
| Jope | no matter what stack | 13:12 |
| mntmn | naja for me it works | 13:12 |
| Jope | interesting. low traffic lan? | 13:12 |
| BlinkyBill | maybe not, it's the whatever came with the HSTWB installer | 13:12 |
| mntmn | orrr maybe not with the pinball games, i haven't tried them | 13:13 |
| BlinkyBill | not just pinball *** other games crash too Second Samurai AGA comes to memory | 13:13 |
| BlinkyBill | all these games I played when I was young | 13:13 |
| BlinkyBill | For me though if you want a games to impress the COD generation shwo them the silky smooth scrolling of Pinball Fantasies AGA and you get thumbs up for a 30 year old platform | 13:15 |
| BlinkyBill | OK show just going into Roadie and disconnecting (DHCPRELEASE) is enought for the games to work | 13:16 |
| RobDangerous | I semi-regularly impress my colleagues with old Amiga games - some games just hold up. | 13:17 |
| BlinkyBill | Thanks Rob! Testing to ZZ9000 in the second port got me to the solution, I would never have thought to stop the network adaptor | 13:17 |
| RobDangerous | Always glad to help fix bugs without actually doing anything. | 13:19 |
| mntmn | nice. | 13:19 |
| BlinkyBill | Oh man the physics in Pinball Mania are shit compared to Illusions, Fanatasies, Dreams | 13:19 |
| BlinkyBill | Looks like it was developed by another team, it shows | 13:20 |
| RobDangerous | Play some Puggsy for the best physics. | 13:21 |
| BlinkyBill | Pinball Illusions works, so does Second Samurai, looks like I'm good | 13:21 |
| BlinkyBill | mntmn: Any inside word on the sound addon? :) | 13:22 |
| mntmn | BlinkyBill: waiting for the first pcbs to arrive! | 13:22 |
| mntmn | i ordered all components for the prototypes too | 13:23 |
| mntmn | don't have the actual audio chip yet though... | 13:23 |
| mntmn | i mean it's ordered but not there yet | 13:23 |
| BlinkyBill | Will Amiga audio be upscaled? | 13:23 |
| mntmn | kind of, i mean i can get it only analog anyway | 13:24 |
| BlinkyBill | good night all | 13:32 |
| mntmn | n8 BlinkyBill | 13:32 |
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| trixster | Exciting news about the audio board pcbs and components! | 15:20 |
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| RobDangerous | Clicked some icons on the Workbench and played some games and everything seems to be working just like with the previous beta. | 23:10 |
| mntmn | RobDangerous: that's good, yes? | 23:10 |
| RobDangerous | Yes | 23:11 |
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