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| + isoriano_ (~isoriano@5.147.188.96) | 09:19 | |
| isoriano_ | Good morning | 09:20 |
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| mntmn | isoriano_: good morning, i can tell you a shortcut to get your card in 3-4 days if you promise not to cancel your other order with us ;) | 14:23 |
| mntmn | isoriano_: interested? | 14:23 |
| _Bnu | It involves lasers, hedge trimmers and killer snails... | 17:25 |
| mntmn | apparently not interested ;3 | 17:27 |
| _Bnu | Killer snails always deters people from getting ZZ9000s faster... maybe it needs to be changed to escargots. | 17:40 |
| mntmn | hehe | 17:41 |
| apolkosnik[m] | Also, wives... | 18:51 |
| mntmn | a classic trope | 18:51 |
| apolkosnik[m] | Followed by goats and pigeons | 18:54 |
| _Bnu | mntmn: What if you were to set something up that "races behind the beam" to copy the current data on an APC-enabled path to a set frame buffer position somewhere in memory right after the current pixels have been rendered to screen... Doesn't matter for scandoubler output, of course, but it might allow for displaying the current frame buffer without any kind of cache line artifacting? | 20:04 |
| _Bnu | (Yep, I'm still trying to come up with something to get rid of the data-destroying cache flush...) | 20:05 |
| mntmn | i am sure we can fix the data destruction differently | 20:14 |
| mntmn | first, i need a test program that reproduces it reliably | 20:14 |
| isoriano_ | Guys .. I have to earn some money :-) Always interested now that I finished my retro room :-) | 21:27 |
| mntmn | isoriano_: here you go! https://www.amiga-shop.net/Amiga-Hardware/Amiga-Grafikkarten/ZZ9000-Multifunktionskarte-fuer-Zorro-Amigas::1011.html | 21:28 |
| isoriano_ | Hmm .. | 21:29 |
| mntmn | isoriano_: hmm? | 21:30 |
| isoriano_ | Why from a third party if I can buy from you? Just because he has it in stock? | 21:31 |
| mntmn | yeah. i thought you wanted it very quickly | 21:32 |
| mntmn | naja on the other hand i think you are in our next batch | 21:32 |
| isoriano_ | yeah .. waiting 5 months .. a few weeks won't kill me. | 21:32 |
| isoriano_ | And the A3K has its ZZ .. just the A4K is waiting for the upgrade .. | 21:33 |
| mntmn | yeah, you actually are. so probably 2 weeks to go | 21:33 |
| isoriano_ | Btw .. don't if it will work .. but I reached out to one of my AMIGA colleagues if he can help me with doing kind of a ZZ for the SBus I hope that you don't mind if we can learn from your work and try doing a "port" to the Sun. | 21:35 |
| isoriano_ | Well it's kind of ZYNQ-7020 SBus carrier board. | 21:37 |
| mntmn | of course i would prefer if people would instead help me improve ZZ for amiga, but do whatever you like! | 21:37 |
| isoriano_ | The AMIGA community is huge so many people working on projects while there is no love for the Sun. | 21:38 |
| mntmn | ok then! | 21:39 |
| mntmn | right now it's kind of hard to develop new hardware btw, because a lot of chips are out of stock | 21:39 |
| mntmn | because of the global component shortage | 21:39 |
| isoriano_ | Tried to acquire some MYIR boards remember when you provided the tip and I bought just a single board ... now they nearly doubled the price. | 21:40 |
| mntmn | yes. the network chip on that module costs $35 now. per piece. at least. from chinese brokers | 21:40 |
| mntmn | it's insane | 21:40 |
| isoriano_ | 35?? Oh Mann! | 21:40 |
| mntmn | yes, the first offers i got were 60-80$ | 21:40 |
| mntmn | so $35 is still cheap | 21:41 |
| mntmn | i think i will increase the price of zz9000 now | 21:41 |
| mntmn | before it's too late | 21:42 |
| isoriano_ | Sure! | 21:42 |
| isoriano_ | People are aware of the market situation. | 21:43 |
| mntmn | yeah | 21:47 |
| mntmn | i increased the price to 389 | 21:48 |
| mntmn | haha jens also going with UPS now https://icomp.de/shop-icomp/en/33/items/new-shipping-option-ups.html | 21:49 |
| isoriano_ | Which is still a fair price for the ZZ. | 21:53 |
| mntmn | XC7Z020 is not really available atm | 21:54 |
| mntmn | supposed to come back april 2022 | 21:55 |
| mntmn | so i will move our delivery date to that point | 21:55 |
| isoriano_ | OMG!!!!! | 21:55 |
| isoriano_ | https://shop.trenz-electronic.de/de/27129-MYC-C7Z020-CPU-Modul-mit-XC7Z020-1CLG400I-industrieller-Temperaturbereich | 21:57 |
| mntmn | > Lagerbestand: 1 | 22:08 |
| mntmn | hmm that's game over for us | 22:11 |
| isoriano_ | https://de.aliexpress.com/item/32988738790.html | 22:17 |
| mntmn | well that's a useless form factor | 22:18 |
| mntmn | there are a lot of snickerdoodles in stock, but they are very expensive https://www.mouser.de/ProductDetail/krtkl/15081800-04?qs=byeeYqUIh0O%2FK1dGah2FrA%3D%3D | 22:19 |
| isoriano_ | i hope that you have at least some stock wrt the fpga modules .. | 22:25 |
| mntmn | i think we have 30-40 and also some broken ones. with those we will fill existing orders. | 22:29 |
| mntmn | then we will see how many we can get from somewhere, if none, we will offer refunds | 22:29 |
| mntmn | i hope my supplier will respond tomorrow | 22:29 |
| mntmn | the controller for the keyboards we make is also out of stock now. | 22:30 |
| mntmn | i can close the company basically | 22:30 |
| mntmn | naja we will see. need to evaluate all options. but this is really a bad situation. | 22:30 |
| mntmn | well i will go home. | 22:36 |
| isoriano_ | Verdammt! that does not sound promising! And if you need to fullfil an order for someone impatient you can take my ZZ .. I have one in my A3K .. so the A4K can wait (would have to wait). | 22:36 |
| mntmn | thanks! | 22:36 |
| + xet7 (~xet7@user/xet7) | 22:39 | |
| _Bnu | mntmn: ('A`) | 23:28 |
| mntmn | maybe we can develop an intermediate module instead of the zynq thing | 23:29 |
| _Bnu | Maybe you can make MNT branded PiStorms... though I don't know how profitable that would be... maybe a bit more once we can get it working in additional 68k systems. | 23:29 |
| mntmn | that does some of the zz stuff and later exchange it when the real deal comes back | 23:29 |
| mntmn | _Bnu: i have thought about it, but what about the pi3 (??) supply? | 23:30 |
| mntmn | do they have many stonks? | 23:30 |
| _Bnu | I think there's still like a few ten thousands left, but Claude's working on a new firmware as well that works with the Pi 4 and CM4. | 23:30 |
| _Bnu | Raffles (a guy on the Discord server) designed a prototype for a custom PCB as well, let me dig up a picture. | 23:31 |
| isoriano_ | CM4 is what? About 50 EUR? | 23:31 |
| _Bnu | https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/836236986443890710/865677849829441556/DSC_1575.JPG | 23:31 |
| mntmn | isoriano_: cm4 is not the one for pistorm. also it needs a large amount of power | 23:32 |
| _Bnu | Yeah, there's a connector for extra power on Raffles' PCB. | 23:32 |
| mntmn | ooof ok | 23:32 |
| mntmn | quite the chonker | 23:32 |
| _Bnu | The CM4 works okay with one of those Polish C64PSU power supplies, at least for basic CPU emulation, but yeah... it gets very hot, haha. | 23:33 |
| _Bnu | Still beats a 50MHz 060 by a good margin while thermal throttling. | 23:33 |
| mntmn | soon every computer will be a cm4?? | 23:34 |
| mntmn | btw i ordered a cm4 today | 23:34 |
| mntmn | but not all versions were available | 23:35 |
| _Bnu | Yeah, I think the lowest RAM version was retired or something? | 23:35 |
| _Bnu | Because no one wanted it anyway . . . | 23:36 |
| mntmn | yeah i mean some combinations were not available atm | 23:36 |
| mntmn | hmm interesting | 23:36 |
| mntmn | that was the 1GB version that you mean | 23:36 |
| _Bnu | Yeah, I think so at least. | 23:36 |
| mntmn | i could certainly do something like ice40 or ecp5 for zorro and videocap plus imxrt or some sort of ripsberry raps but idk in what kind of timeframe | 23:41 |
| mntmn | how does the pistorm bus translation work? with a cpld? and then to spi or custom parallel something? i mean how does the cpld talk to the pi? | 23:42 |
| _Bnu | Claude would probably be better fit to explain it than I, or shanshe, I only know how to interface with it from the software side, haha. | 23:43 |
| _Bnu | The current protocol isn't super effective or complete, but it tends to work well enough for Amiga. | 23:43 |
| _Bnu | But basically the CPLD keeps track of all the CPU pins, since the Pi itself doesn't have enough GPIO to do that. | 23:46 |
| _Bnu | And then on the Pi side you can grab/put stuff from/on the data lines, set the address lines, and read the status register for things like the IPL. | 23:47 |
| mntmn | ah i just read the verilog | 23:52 |
| mntmn | i see | 23:52 |
| mntmn | so there is a 16 bit gpio bus to the pi | 23:53 |
| mntmn | and two mode bits | 23:53 |
| mntmn | and 6 control bits | 23:53 |
| mntmn | cool cool | 23:54 |
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