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| _Bnu | emiespo[m]: It's limited by the current CPLD protocol. I would explain more in detail, but there's already been so much "Chip RAM this Chip RAM that aarrrgghh" this week that I unfortunately don't feel like it. A new protocol, proto4, is in the works. | 04:08 |
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| Claude | if someone fax me a week free time and a big shot of motivation instead of tiredness from dayjob I would finish proto4 . but currently living more from weekend to weekend ... but "soon" | 08:48 |
| Jope | I feels ya | 08:53 |
| Claude | ah don't want to complain :) just that "soon" could be longer | 09:02 |
| _Bnu | And Nibbles support cannot be added until proto4 is available... | 09:14 |
| emiespo[m] | Eheh i can imagine. Thanks for replying… I now also wonder what would be needed for an AGA Amiga… from what I saw the Pi4 should have enough bandwidth in the GPIO for it, but maybe the CPLD will need to become something else. | 09:21 |
| Claude | emiespo[m]: yep. will be smol FPGA | 09:27 |
| Claude | but only because of the ammount of IO and the need for blockram | 09:28 |
| Claude | ecp5-12 in bga256 package . sorry for BGA , but after long judging pro/cons it's the "right" solution. | 09:30 |
| Claude | the cloners will hate it! I mean these ridiculous people who dare to fork and build their own opensource hardware. so unfair !!1! :p | 09:33 |
| _Bnu | lol | 09:34 |
| Jope | hehe | 09:34 |
| Jope | open source amiga scalpers hate this simple trick! | 09:34 |
| Claude | haha | 09:35 |
| emiespo[m] | _Bnu: Facebook’s algorithms have just pointed me at the thread where a certain Von Nibbles ;-) explains it all… people are obsessed with Amiga speeds lately. | 09:36 |
| emiespo[m] | IMHO the PiStorm is a blow of fresh air in the toxic market of 1994 CPUs sold at 350€/piece, and the only project worth supporting (in the field of accelerators… that and the ZZ9000 for big box machines, of course! 😂). | 09:39 |
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| mnemotron | hi | 09:56 |
| _Bnu | emiespo[m]: Yeah, as weird as it may sound the PiStorm somehow gets involved in random drama in places, but none of it has ever actually made it to the PiStorm Discord, or if it did we were always quick to calm things down, haha. | 10:39 |
| _Bnu | And as long as it isn't factual inaccuracies or something, I of course don't mind if someone doesn't like the idea of the PiStorm. There are other products available, at least that can serve as Amiga accelerators. | 10:41 |
| emiespo[m] | Well I won’t ever criticise personal choices: you can even pay 10K for a 68060 if that’s what you value it and the “joy” it gives back to you to have it. I WILL criticise who tries to denigrate the PiStorm (as already happened on an Italian FB page ahahah) for being “just emulation and not ‘the original’ experience” | 11:25 |
| emiespo[m] | In that case the term of comparison was not a plain A500, but a monster ACA 500 plus a 1220 card + compact flashes, etc. etc.. that may not be emulation (the ACA is the most compatible card), and has the advantage of not having to mess with your case, but it’s definitely not an original Amiga experience ahahah | 11:27 |
| Jope | yeh, OCS demos need a cycle exact 68k amiga but anything else can just run as fast as it can imo | 11:29 |
| Jope | really depends what you're using it for | 11:29 |
| trixster | Interesting update to picasso96 | 12:12 |
| trixster | “ A new feature: Multi-monitor support. Thus, if you want to use native video and graphics card output displayed on two monitors, or have more than two graphics cards, this update has something new to offer. Tested at home with two graphics cards, two monitors and one TV.” | 12:12 |
| trixster | Keen to try this on my voodoo3/zz9000 machine | 12:12 |
| CottonUndies | @trixster I answered your 68060 adapter height question over on EAB. | 12:21 |
| CottonUndies | Regarding Audio device: Maybe I misunderstand, but is there an analog out? For instance, I connect to a hifi/mixer, not using monitor built-in speakers. So if there is a MHI or AHI high bit rate/high sample rate audio thing, it would be nice to have an analog out. | 12:22 |
| trixster | @CottonUndies: ah I haven’t seen that, will take a look | 12:25 |
| trixster | I see it now, on amibay - yes, it’s a tiny bit too tall sadly. I have an adapter for my other A3000 and that’s lower and works ok, there is just enough clearance. The adapter in my 4000 is similarly just low enough, so I guess I need to do some adapter swapping | 12:31 |
| _Bnu | mntmn: Have you considered doing a 520GB HBM2 version of the ZZ9000, for missile launch control... | 13:10 |
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| apolkosnik[m] | Can I put this module in there? https://www.xilinx.com/products/som/kria/k26c-commercial.html | 14:52 |
| apolkosnik[m] | Finally my Kria KV260 Vision AI Starter Kit has shipped :-) | 14:53 |
| emiespo[m] | just seen a poor guy had to pay 75£ extra on his ZZ9000 shipment... welcome to Brexit! (I think I'll ship the audio module to Italy and retrieve it when I happen to be there...) | 14:58 |
| mnemotron | i finally received my zz9000 this week \o/ | 15:25 |
| mnemotron | i had it running a bit, but then i messed with the configs and now the monitor driver won't work. all that P96 stuff is new to me. | 15:29 |
| Jope | what's not working | 15:35 |
| Claude | apolkosnik[m]: ohhhh nice ! | 15:36 |
| Claude | it's crazy that the devkit is cheaper than the SoM | 15:36 |
| mnemotron | Jope: when booting, the LoadDrvs in OS 3.2 says that ZZ9000 returned error code 10 and then I run it from Devs:Monitors there's a big error message "Firmware 1.6 required", but of course Firmware 1.8 is installed on the zz9000 | 15:47 |
| mnemotron | it was almost all working two days ago, but then i messed with the files in Libs:Picasso96 and Devs:Monitors (the Altais files, for example) | 15:48 |
| Jope | altais files.. hmm | 15:48 |
| Jope | all kinds of things. | 15:48 |
| mnemotron | i'll try to repair it myself ;) | 15:49 |
| Jope | and you used the latest installer | 15:50 |
| Jope | https://mntre.com/media/ZZ9000_info_md/ZZ9000Installer1_8.lha | 15:50 |
| Jope | you should no longer have any altais monitor anywhere after installing p96 + the zz9000installer | 15:50 |
| mnemotron | yup, don't have. and yes, i used the 1.8 installer | 15:53 |
| Jope | ok | 15:53 |
| Jope | intriguing | 15:53 |
| mnemotron | here are some photos for shits and giggles. https://imgur.com/a/iBk9xw6 | 15:54 |
| mnemotron | oh. hm. i updated 3.1.4 to 3.2 AFTER i installed Picasso and ZZ9000. could that mess things up? | 15:54 |
| emiespo[m] | <trixster "“ A new feature: Multi-monitor s"> From the change-log it seems the S3-Virge (CV3D) was totally broken or so :-D most updates are for it... worth registering again for the ZZ9000? | 15:54 |
| Jope | mnemotron, well, if you reinstall p96 on top of the old installation, it should give you sane defaults again | 15:55 |
| mnemotron | also, os 3.2 is running from ram... i haven't installed the roms in my A3000 yet and it's not possibe to create the superkickstart file yet with the bonus code | 15:56 |
| emiespo[m] | mnemotron: I'd just boot with no startup sequence, delete the `screenmode.prefs` + anything P96 in devs: and reinstall | 15:56 |
| Jope | so I heard that superkick doesn't work | 15:56 |
| Jope | snif | 15:56 |
| mnemotron | they're working on it, allegedly | 15:56 |
| Jope | yeh.. | 15:57 |
| Jope | let's see | 15:57 |
| Jope | I'm not sure what OS I'd want to run on my 3k anyway | 15:57 |
| mnemotron | i DO have roms, but i'd be nice to keep the 1.4 os | 15:57 |
| Jope | 3.1.4 has its place too.. it's like a large disk friendly 3.1 | 15:57 |
| mnemotron | emiespo[m]: i guess i'll do that | 15:57 |
| Jope | for some reason my 3k is superkick too | 15:58 |
| mnemotron | i kinda like that it's booting the kick from HDD :) | 15:58 |
| Jope | I just like it that way, even though I've made use of the superkick feature only once, when testing smarty and the nasty gluttons | 15:58 |
| mnemotron | it's done that for 30 years now and it would feel wrong to change that | 15:58 |
| Jope | otherwise it always just boots 3.1 | 15:58 |
| mnemotron | same | 15:58 |
| mnemotron | i never used 1.3 though | 15:59 |
| emiespo[m] | mnemotron: of course, triple check that you didn't put an older firmware by mistake on the SD-card :D from the message above it seems the issue is the obsolete zz9000.card | 15:59 |
| mnemotron | emiespo[m]: i didn't even look at the sd-card. it's directly from MNT | 15:59 |
| mnemotron | obsolete zz9000.card? | 15:59 |
| emiespo[m] | yes, it says the zz9000.card file is the version 1.6 | 15:59 |
| emiespo[m] | that is in devs:monitors/gfxcards if I am not mistaken :) | 16:00 |
| Jope | just checked the installer and installer 1.8 comes with that card | 16:00 |
| mnemotron | no, zz9000.card is in Libs/Picasso96 | 16:00 |
| mnemotron | ZZ9000 is in Devs:monitors | 16:00 |
| mnemotron | yup | 16:00 |
| mnemotron | i certainly used the 1.8 - don't have anything else on the machine | 16:00 |
| emiespo[m] | ok in any case you'd have to delete that and reinstall from 1.8 :D | 16:00 |
| mnemotron | ok. i'll just remove P96 and ZZ9000 altogther | 16:01 |
| emiespo[m] | you probably installed the 1.6 version at some point though, or else I can't make sense of that message above :D | 16:01 |
| mnemotron | nope. never. | 16:03 |
| mnemotron | never downloaded 1.6 | 16:03 |
| emiespo[m] | ok then that message doesn't make sense :) `zz9000.card 1.6` | 16:04 |
| emiespo[m] | can you try to execute a `version zz9000.card` from the CLI? | 16:04 |
| mnemotron | maybe .card wasn't updated from 1.6 to 1.8 | 16:04 |
| emiespo[m] | it could also be 🤷♂️ | 16:04 |
| mnemotron | emiespo[m]: did that, error message | 16:04 |
| emiespo[m] | ok, it's probably not including a standard $VER string | 16:05 |
| emiespo[m] | at this point I'd just download the 1.8 from above and reinstall it... and then Picasso 96 too. | 16:05 |
| mnemotron | will do | 16:06 |
| emiespo[m] | *unless* - final thought - the version of the `zz9000.card` is OK (1.8) but the message is wrong (1.6) | 16:06 |
| mnemotron | could be, of course | 16:06 |
| emiespo[m] | *and* you also need to update the firmware in the SD, which is < 1.8 for some reason | 16:06 |
| mnemotron | it can't be <1.8 - i got the card this week | 16:07 |
| emiespo[m] | well it could be a mistake | 16:07 |
| emiespo[m] | given that message is weird, I'm trying to figure out all possibilities... I'd recommend also checking the SD | 16:07 |
| emiespo[m] | there's no problem in just renaming the current boot file and copying a new one on the card (there's enough room for many versions, the ZZ9000 will always pick up the file named `boot.bin`) | 16:08 |
| mnemotron | if i get a picture on HDMI-out, the firmware *is* running, right? | 16:08 |
| emiespo[m] | yes, but not sure how you would tell the version... let's say it's 1.7 for some reason, but you installed 1.8 (which displays 1.6 for an error in the source) | 16:09 |
| emiespo[m] | then you'd get that error, except it should say: "1.8 needs at least firmware 1.8!" | 16:10 |
| emiespo[m] | it probably takes longer discussing than downloading and putting it on the SD :) | 16:10 |
| mnemotron | i uninstalled P96 and zz9000, reinstalled all and it's all the same | 16:38 |
| mnemotron | i compared MD5 checksums for the downloaded and installed files for Monitors and Card, all the same | 16:38 |
| mnemotron | and the ZZ9000.card from the 1.8 archive *does* include the "1.6" text, so it just wasn't updated, i guess | 16:39 |
| mnemotron | i'll check the sd now, just need to find an adapter | 16:39 |
| mnemotron | ok, downloaded the zorro 3-bin. renamed original on the sd card, compared MD5... same | 16:49 |
| mnemotron | new thought: disabling the rom loading so that the amiga stays with rom 3.1.4 instead of a softkicked 3.2 on top of the 3.1.4 superkick | 16:50 |
| mnemotron | that sd card slot is for looong fingernails it seems | 16:51 |
| _Bnu | I typically angle a flathead screwdriver slightly and push it very gently. | 17:01 |
| _Bnu | It's actually a bit more tricky to put the SD card back in. | 17:02 |
| _Bnu | Because there's a good chance you'll miss the slot by a tiny bit and the card will just fall on top of the ZZ9000 inside the case, haha. | 17:02 |
| _Bnu | I suggested that mntmn put the slot a tiny bit closer to the backplate in the newer revisions, but he just called be a "bread duck" and kicked me into a little tank full of sharks... | 17:04 |
| mnemotron | ok, rom 3.1.4 didn't change anything | 17:14 |
| mnemotron | strange | 17:15 |
| mnemotron | noice. networking isn't working anymore, either | 17:25 |
| mnemotron | i even changed the zorro slot | 17:25 |
| mnemotron | no dice | 17:25 |
| mnemotron | i fucked that up real nice | 17:25 |
| mnemotron | probably the update from 3.1.4 to 3.2 | 17:25 |
| _Bnu | ('A`) | 17:41 |
| mnemotron | any idea why this message pops up? https://i.imgur.com/8R8zAwL.jpg | 17:57 |
| mnemotron | the p96 setup explicitly disables the Altais. https://i.imgur.com/T7ahWoT.jpg | 17:57 |
| mnemotron | wat? https://i.imgur.com/nvex3Xl.jpg | 17:57 |
| mnemotron | no, i don't! https://i.imgur.com/Y2yboaX.jpg | 17:58 |
| mnemotron | why?? https://i.imgur.com/APDjk1Q.jpg | 17:58 |
| mnemotron | sigh. https://i.imgur.com/sZLD29n.jpg | 17:58 |
| mnemotron | ok, afk for now | 17:58 |
| Jope | sooo why did you select all the boards? | 18:33 |
| Jope | definitely not the way to go | 18:33 |
| Jope | very strange that it autodetects something you don't have | 18:34 |
| _Bnu | Is that the latest P96? | 18:38 |
| _Bnu | Isn't it super buggy or something? | 18:38 |
| mnemotron | it's not 3.1 from yesterday. this is 3.0.2, i think | 19:02 |
| mnemotron | the install selected all the boards! except Altais | 19:02 |
| mnemotron | that's the way the dialog appeared | 19:02 |
| mnemotron | is it maybe because the ZZ9000 is now two "boards", the graphics and the ram extension? | 19:03 |
| Jope | but you didn't unselect them? | 19:10 |
| mnemotron | of course i did! and then selected the Altais | 19:10 |
| mnemotron | all by the manual | 19:10 |
| Jope | ok | 19:10 |
| Jope | good | 19:10 |
| Jope | :-) | 19:10 |
| mntmn | bread duck lol | 19:16 |
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